IF Money is the ROOT of EVIL, Then Why Use It Seeing What It Does To People?

[zone]

My people, is it the money that we want, or what it gives us access to? Please help me.

do you have a problem with food clothing and shelter?

i'm too old and poor to learn to build a house; not interested in a commune; i need a couple changes of clothes; and i get sick and will die if i don't eat.

my garden doesn't grow milk or meat; i don't have cows or goats.

if i had cows or goats i would need more buildings; and feed for them.

if i had.....eh.

i'll just use the MONEY i worked for and saved so i can live, and have enough left over to help those in need.

have i taken the mark of the beast?

 

[chasten]

Well, the bible says not to steal. Its a commandment. So, you gotta eat somehow. But hey, the one up, you can always be uhm...what are those backwoods christians who dont use electricity, and edrive the horses, and plat their own food... what are those people called??.. Anyway you coud always be like them

 

[Porthos]

do you have a problem with food clothing and shelter?

i'm too old and poor to learn to build a house; not interested in a commune; i need a couple changes of clothes; and i get sick and will die if i don't eat.

my garden doesn't grow milk or meat; i don't have cows or goats.

if i had cows or goats i would need more buildings; and feed for them.

if i had.....eh.

i'll just use the MONEY i worked for and saved so i can live, and have enough left over to help those in need.

have i taken the mark of the beast?

Great, brilliant (blunt) point.

BUT .. we all know how the money system makes the scales tip too far in one direction for the fat-wallets among us, at the expense of the starving.

Privatized banks = ownership of currency production = power to control practically every commodity available to Earth.

I read somewhere that there is enough food on Earth to feed every person with 3,500 calories a day, and enough technological prowess to rid the world of having to use fossil fuels, and ways to set up societies with means to easily distribute said food. But here we are; oil and currency and starving kids.

Cause the fat-wallets want fatter wallets.

 

[Porthos]

In case anyone wants a (basic, simplistic) explanation of the privatized banks statement;

Privatized banks are allowed to print currency at their merit 'according to inflation'. They print said currency, and it is actually licensed (nice word for loaned) to the governments, who have to pay interest on these 'licenses', which in turn means the people pay higher taxes. And the money that gets put back into these banks, ultimately belongs to the people who own them.

Now you can say 'well, actually, we EARN our money and we own a large portion of what is in the banks'.

But that's not necissarily true. Banknotes are property of the governments, on a hire-purchase agreement if you like. They are the property of the governments so long as governments are in agreement with the private banks, hence why it's illegal to burn a banknote or defame it. if we were to burn all the notes, currency would become obsolete and the banks would loose control.

There is actually a movement for people to withdraw all their funds from banks and dispose of them.

But ultimately, currency is owned by the banks. It's really their property, depending on whatever bank prints whatever currency.

So we use THEIR system to buy things which we acquire. When you think about it like this, money doesn't really belong to us.

On UK banknotes, it says 'pay the bearer on demand *insert number of pounds*', because the value of that currency doesn't actually exist except in the system which the banks have constructed.

Moral of the story; we want state owned banks controlled and monitored by extensive elected governments, not private banks controlled by people they put on the podium and whose political campaigns they fund.

 

[Porthos]

At least until commodities such as food, water, heat and shelter are seen by the masses as human rights rather than commodities; and until most people get savvy to the system.

 

[Porthos]

Oh also, when a private bank creates this 'loan' of money that didn't exist before, and loans it to the government, it doesn't actually create the money that needs to be in circulation for the government to pay back this debt. So what happens is, that extra actual currency that needs to exist but doesn't, gets taken out of average Joe's pocket in taxes. Then, when that happens, they create more currency and inflate the economy, so that the value of currency is devalued to the point that the government needs to borrow more money in order to keep afloat, because their money from tax is no longer of the same value as it was perhaps a year before.

The money system itself enables bankers to drain a country practically at will. Control money and you control military might and every other resource a country has.

 

[Porthos]

This is a nice explanation of some aspects of the money system if anyone is interested. It's basic but it gets the point across.

Debt = Money, Money = Debt

 

[justamazed]

God said the land was His. How do you charge for something that doesn't belong toyou to begin with?

 

[justamazed]

And Zone you can have all of that for free.

 

[homwardbound]

My people, is it the money that we want, or what it gives us access to? Please help me.

Proverbs 11:4Riches do not profit in the day of wrath, But righteousness delivers from death.
Proverbs 11:25The generous soul will be made rich, And he who waters will also be watered himself.
Proverbs 11:28He who trusts in his riches will fall, But the righteous will flourish like foliage.
Proverbs 13:7There is one who makes himself rich, yet has nothing; And one who makes himself poor, yet has great riches.
Proverbs 22:16He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches, And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

 

[homwardbound]

I shall and with power.

yeap, because we can't love momney and God for we willhate the one and love the other as that rich man walked away chose riches of the world over God Matt. 19

 

[Grey]

Money is a clump of cotton with (if you're an american) the head of a founding father stamped on to it. Its the value attached to it, the power to purchase that compels people to greed. The power to purchase is tied with the power of possesion.

 

[justamazed]

Money is a clump of cotton with (if you're an american) the head of a founding father stamped on to it. Its the value attached to it, the power to purchase that compels people to greed. The power to purchase is tied with the power of possesion.

Why not give it away?

 

[homwardbound]

We're living in a worldly system that usually requires money in exchange for goods and services. It is the obsession with money that is sin.

more so what it causes and that is harm to ones neighbor, read the whole story of and what became of this uncaring man
Luke 16:19[ The Rich Man and Lazarus ] “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day.

 

[Grey]

Why not give it away?

Oh most people do, at least a little to ease any anxiety they have about needing to be charitable.

 

[justamazed]

Oh most people do, at least a little to ease any anxiety they have about needing to be charitable.

The point I'm trying to make is that we no longer need money for the things we need or want. What gives money power, those who have it or those who need it?

 

[Grey]

The point I'm trying to make is that we no longer need money for the things we need or want. What gives money power, those who have it or those who need it?

Well if you mean literally its backing by whatever govt. your currency was made by. But most often the ability to "buy", or to aquire things gives money its power.

(at least from my viewpoint)

 

[GreenNnice]

I pray that what money He has given me is used as a root for doing His good. We left to our own devices is not good, idle time is of The Devil proverbs tells us, and, when we sit around and think about what we are to do with our money without God in mind then we are going to really get ourselves into trouble. I hope and pray that I don't do that, I want to be using it for His uses and I want to give Him what's His, which is all of it, in a very real sense, but, the tithe to the church and wherever else He leads me to help out, like christian chat and some other charities and give places, I try to give change to grocery store boxes that are doing things to 'Help Feed A Family' like Grocery Outlet I gave to yesterday .

Point is, we are to give as He wants us too. If Christ is our foundation than money cannot become a root in our life, right , because we are building on Christ and His soil will not be for us to grow money in it. He wants us to Love Him , #1 , with all of our being, mind, heart, soul, body, and, He wants us, secondly, to Love others, just as He says in Scripture, on these 'two,' hinge' all the other commandments. So we practice these two then the rest will become faith fully understood, even the commandment of having 'no other idols before you,' which, of course, one idol can be 'money.'

 

[justamazed]

Well if you mean literally its backing by whatever govt. your currency was made by. But most often the ability to "buy", or to aquire things gives money its power.

(at least from my viewpoint)

18 million homes empty, 3 million homeless. Money has done it's job. Just give it away now.

 

[Grey]

18 million homes empty, 3 million homeless. Money has done it's job. Just give it away now.

I agree with you! I wasn't arguing that we should assist the poor, but most people hang on to it because of said power.