IF Money is the ROOT of EVIL, Then Why Use It Seeing What It Does To People?

[Abiding]

Is this what you would do Zone? Are you speaking from experience in the daily dealings of cocaine, whiskey or any of the above mention? What puts people in a position to be either predator or prey if not for gain, advantage, or profit?

What is a sin? The man doing lines of cocaine or one who believes that the bulk of the populace is eternally doomed?

James 1:14-17

[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Do not err, my beloved brethren.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

In other words, be careful of what you wish.

I'm saying that we do as the early church did and make all things common. Mankind coming together along with our planet's greatest minds and instead of fighting one another, we work together to make life as enjoyable for all. We have enough empty houses available to take in the 3 million we have here that are homeless along with an additional 15 million individuals. The number of people that we can give housing can skyrocket when you add the factor of families moving into one house and not individuals!

Because of profit our society has to constantly spend, with the goods sold guaranteed to all but break down. The only reason cd's are still even made is for money. All music, movies, and shows can be streamed to your house effortlessly without waste or clutter. The only thing holding us back from this is ourselves. If we go to our government and say that this is what we want to do to combat terrorism they have no choice but to obey!

The love of money is the root of all evil, correct? Now let's do this in a simple algebraic expression.

Love + Money = ALL EVIL

Do we know what love represents or equals?

God = Love

We cannot have two masters as this is only caused by profit and advantage over another. For example if a man murders a man or commits even a drug felony, by law we who act not the same have an advantage. Even if they both completely repent of what by law they had sold, does the world treats them as such?

Remember Pharaoh knew not the LORD of Israel. Why?

Proverbs 30:8-9


[SUP]8 [/SUP]Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

Pharaoh didn't know the LORD because He was FULL.

 

[justamazed]

Lol, and before I'm "corrected" about "the love of money" being the root and not money itself, remember God is LOVE. We cannot take love away no matter how it's expressed. We surely can't get rid of people, but do we have the mentality to do away with money? Comparing the love of GOD to the love of money? Really?? If we did not have currency, we would have the original 'money' of bartering. It is the love of riches/stuff/accumulation that is the ROOT of all evil. It is GREED which comes from PRIDE and thinking that one is due more than they really are. It is selfishness, which also comes from pride. It is also fear...of not having enough, which also comes from pride. No one needs the 'mentality to do away with money'. What everyone needs is WISDOM so as to know How to stuward/use what they have.
Maggie

The love of money is the ROOT of all evil. No half. Not some. But ALL EVIL! 18 million homes empty, 3 million homeless leaving 15 million left to fill! Again study the ant.

Maybe I will post how an ant colony works.

 

[justamazed]

I expect you to make fun of what you consider foolishness, but it is the power of God nonetheless.

 

[Abiding]

I expect you to make fun of what you consider foolishness, but it is the power of God nonetheless.

you missed the point again.

 

[MaggieMye]

SO missed the point~~

 

[Abiding]

SO missed the point~~

excellent point!

 

[MaggieMye]

Yep! Point well-taken, Abiding!!

 

[Wyclif]

I don't know the answer, but the church wants a lot of your money. Pastors demand high incomes and churches want you to tithe, no matter how poor you are.

 

[MidniteWelder]

LOL. Well, it doesn't have to be an "A+", but I'll settle with ya for an A when it comes to honesty.

YOU CAN DO IT!!!

Frankly, MidnightWelder, I don't need to know all of a person's thoughts because too much sincerity can become burdensome or unintelligible,

Are you insinuating something? So What r ya trying to say?
You do know the tip of the iceberg reveals little of what's below the shiny surface

Or is there the possibility with the realization that too much can be burdensome or unintelligible, that this is also one reason God doesn't reveal all things to an individual at once but only when a person is able and willing to receive and he does so in the due course of his timing.
In other words, have you ever asked him for answers to questions, but at that particular point in time we wouldn't have the capacity to understand and any answer or revelation would be incomprehensible.
An order of things are called to happen before the following order of:
-a message,
-a lesson,
-and an understanding becomes clear.
As the saying goes, the more I learn, the less I know.
Conversely, we could also say, the more that becomes clear, the more all things become clear.
(reminds me of the verse:
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.)

It's my belief he brings us closer and closer to that visual clarity in all ways the closer our time to meeting him comes.
Once a person thinks they have it figured out... think again.
People may contemplate, theorize, study for years and years
And even afterward We can't fully understand God unless he reveals the understanding to us.

This why I believe we are told...Be still and know.
If we stop, calm down, be still and listen, God tells us so that we may know.

but exercising transparency with prudence, when called for, is quite welcome and becoming of BananaPie.

I agree, and its a good color on you

God is already perfectly moral and completely ethical. God's holy nature does not change nor ever dilutes whether humans obey the Law or not. It's irrelevant from God's perspective, but from a human perspective, obeying God's opinion about how we ought to behave is totally imperative if we desire to exist in harmony with God, of course.

Objection due to relevance
Is it not relevant in heaven also?
or is it not relevant simply because we're here for the moment?
At what point does our nature in submission and obedience become relevant to God?

The whole reason why BananaPie came to Christ is because my BC life was purposely practiced badly.

I understand, and it's alright
but are ya gonna keep us in suspense ???

But it has pleased God to save my soul, and He alone has given me a pretty, sweet song. So, you think I still need a fiddle?

AMEN and no you don't need a fiddle as long as that song in your heart is to the tune of his voice.
Although it did help a guy named Johnny this one time in Georgia.

Oh, man! You mean this whole time it’s not the banana splits that have delighted my soul with a clean conscience? Good heavens! What is this world coming to? LOL

Nut uh, It's not what goes into ones mouth rememberrrrrrrr, alas if it were only that easy.

I'd be willing to discuss more fully in pm so as not to derail the thread here, but a final thought.
If the Love of money is the root of all Evil,
would then the fruit of this be...the pride of life?
As pride comes before destruction the prevention is the initiation of Gods discipline to those he loves to break that pride before inevitable destruction comes.

 

[BananaPie]

Are you insinuating something? Nope.
So What r ya trying to say?

I'm talking about transparency or being honest at all times is not necessary prudent or efficient in ALL circumstances. In other words, part of being honest also involves being prudent and having decorum of character.

For example, just because someone's bird is very unattractive to me that doesn't give me the right to express my "honest" opinion about that ugly pet to its owner. Similarly, it would be irrelevant to tell the Pope that all greedy TV Evangelists who accumulate wealth should redistribute 90% of their wealth back to the community. Mind you, the remaining 10% these folks would keep is still greater than US$100K per yr, tax free, of course under the 501 article. LOL.

Even when we know what is the correct thing to do with all that God provides, there are still those out there doing their own thing in the name of goddess Me-money. LOL! Telling others what one's honest thoughts about them really are is not always the correct approach to being honest. Dontcha think?.

You do know the tip of the iceberg reveals little of what's below the shiny surface

I agree, and "not all that shines is a diamond." Nonetheless, transparency in the marriage is 100% imperative regardless of the depths of that blessed iceberg because God said, "and the two shall become one," and as the hymn reads, "Where Jesus is, tis' heaven there."

MidniteWelder, would you agree that when we make it our heart's desire to daily seek the mind of Christ, God is faithful to bring our thoughts and our soul ever closer to God Himself? Is this not the ultimate honesty: to know that we are at peace with God because we are owned by God?

..."For I know Whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day." Praise the Lord!

In other words, have you ever asked him for answers to questions, but at that particular point in time we wouldn't have the capacity to understand and any answer or revelation would be incomprehensible...

For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.)

Yes, I understand you, MidniteWelder.

For my soul, the only meaningful answer is found at the foot of the Cross where my Lord Jesus was crucified.
For my life, the more useful answer is found on the road to Emmaus. Like sweet!

Objection due to relevance. Sustained. LOL.

Is it not relevant in heaven also? All things pure and holy and honest are very relevant in Heaven.

or is it not relevant simply because we're here for the moment? BINGO!! :chuckles:

At what point does our nature in submission and obedience become relevant to God?

Hmm... Lord willing, I may respond should the Lord order my thoughts. Some topics are quite dear and holy to me that I rather keep 'em there in the holy place.

AMEN and no you don't need a fiddle as long as that song in your heart is to the tune of [God's] voice.
Although it did help a guy named Johnny this one time in Georgia.

ROFLOLMHO 3.141592... !!
I aint takin' no midnight train to GA, but if you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair... Okie dokie, BananaPie is just being Stilly, I mean, silly.

 

[homwardbound]

Can SOMEONE here give me one legitimate reason as to why?

just be a steward of it and act our wages in place of our IQ's

 

[homwardbound]

I don't know the answer, but the church wants a lot of your money. Pastors demand high incomes and churches want you to tithe, no matter how poor you are.

I wonder if the Pastor or any paid Clergy was asked if they are in it for the money and of coarse they would say no way man.
That is when I ask so then will you proof this to me and be here for one year without any pay, will you then do it for free?
[h=3]2 Corinthians 6:2-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP](For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

1 Corinthians 9:18
What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

 

[BananaPie]

2 Corinthians 6:2-4 King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]2 [/SUP](For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Giving no offence in any thing, that the ministry be not blamed:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,

Good Lord! Brother Homwardbound, you're such an encouragement in these forum halls! May the Lord continue to bless you sweetly as we wait upon, together with the congregation of the saints, the glorious return of our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

Maranatha!
BananaPie

 

[justamazed]

just be a steward of it and act our wages in place of our IQ's

I shall and with power.

 

[PopClick]

Maybe I will post how an ant colony works.

Over the years? It says you just joined 3 months & 1 week ago. Is that a site glitch? Or are you a returning member?

As much as I love ants, could I have an answer to my question instead? Pretty please? With sparkles on it?

 

[MidniteWelder]

I'm talking about transparency or being honest at all times is not necessary prudent or efficient in ALL circumstances. In other words, part of being honest also involves being prudent and having decorum of character.

Sure do have an eloquent way of suggesting "using tact"

Even when we know what is the correct thing to do with all that God provides, there are still those out there doing their own thing in the name of goddess Me-money. LOL! Telling others what one's honest thoughts about them really are is not always the correct approach to being honest. Dontcha think?.

I would concede that being transparently honest may not always be the best FIRST approach,
and there are a number of methods to communicating and approaching a situation before resorting to the last resort method. Different situations call for different measures. And different situations call for each different unique willing person the Lord calls upon. Certain methods may seem unconventional to some but may be precisely effective for others. Discernment must be used accordingly as to what method will achieve the required results. Whether that be enlightenment, repentance or salvation.
Although BananaPie would you agree that God uses us, all each and every one, even those that are wicked (one reason Jesus says I wish you were one way or the other)
And whether wicked or righteous some are used for Noble causes and some for ignoble, Ive been used for both, even within the same day, and wondered how this can be.
But then am reminded were not to question how the potter uses his clay.
And I tell God, Well Ok I just didnt like what I had to do. And Im told, but you were the only one willing to do so, at that particular moment, at that particular time, which is right when it needed to be done.
Within using us as a vessel he will also use us as a vessel of administering his word or message.
There are times when sometimes people are so dull (as Jesus put it lol or as we put it not the sharpest knife in the drawer) that they just need to be told in as plain and simple way as possible just because they never been told otherwise yet.
IE:
person A: touches stove and keeps burning finger, expects God to protect them from the flames even though they keep running into them on purpose.
Person B: with wisdom through the course of either reflection or experience, tries to teach a message asking what happens when the stove is touched.
person A:replies logically, it burns my finger, yet then proceeds to touch it again
person B: takes initiative to try to administer a series of lessons and physics examples of why the stove burns their finger
person A: agrees and understands yet the brain synapses just for some reason never do connect enough to produce the conclusion to not touch the stove and instead set out to conquer or master the stove thinking if they do it right just once they won't burn their finger, or at the very least will finally build a tolerance to withstanding any punishment of doing so.
Common sense knowledge is taken for granted in person B: never occuring to just tell person A:
JUST Stop TOUCHING THE STOVE! and that's all it would have took.
Person A: never gets delivered the simple message and never puts 2 and 2 together and goes down in a prideful blaze of glory for themselves instead of Glory for the Lord.
(Case in point: Sodom and Gomorrah, in contrast Jonah in Ninevah
Jonah in Ninevah he didn't go witnessing door to door, trying to teach and administer all the useful lessons to each and every individual according to their kind.
The simple and effective message to a people who couldn't tell their right hand from their left in that particular case was basically just "Repent".
Almost as if in their head the thought process had to be
"repent and knock it off? Oh... welll whyyyyy didn't someone just sayyyyy so"

MidniteWelder, would you agree that when we make it our heart's desire to daily seek the mind of Christ, God is faithful to bring our thoughts and our soul ever closer to God Himself? Is this not the ultimate honesty: to know that we are at peace with God because we are owned by God?

Yes I agree we are owned by God whether one may realize it or not and whether one may like it or not.
(I personally like it since I've touched the stove a couple times and he taught me to know better ), and if we must first be able to be honest with ourselves before we can be honest with the lord (which is required for repentance) and if that is the ultimate in honesty, should we reserve that level of honesty only for him? Or shall we not know our own brothers and sisters with the same intimacy the Lord knows us.
In contrast if one is hiding the facets of their inner diamond are they not building a proverbial wall to keep people from seeing their beauty as well as inhibiting allowing their beauty shine (the light, Gods light within them) to be projected outward.
How many people seek truth, but when it is offered in its entirety, whether coldly, plainly and clearly, or tactfully it is shunned and other more palatable truths sought to sweeten the medicine one is being given.
It's not the healthy who need a doctor...rememberrrrrr.

For my soul, the only meaningful answer is found at the foot of the Cross where my Lord Jesus was crucified.
For my life, the more useful answer is found on the road to Emmaus. Like sweet!

What if you combined the two, make it both meaningful AND useful, then see what happens next
Maybe nuthin, maybe sumthin, maybe lots and lots.

Hmm... Lord willing, I may respond should the Lord order my thoughts. Some topics are quite dear and holy to me that I rather keep 'em there in the holy place.

I pray he *comissions you to do so.
And when he does, I pray you may discover the relevane in doing so , We know God does nothing on accident,
And if we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God
Whether we personally are in his will or not,
Whether we happen to see the relevance of anything under the sun now or later,
As he is the very definition of Love, and he tells us to love others as we love ourself, then if he loves us he must love himself too...
And if he loves himself and works all things for good to those who love him, Therefore he must work all things for good according to his own will... lest he make himself a hypocrite.
(*co-mission, thats a neat word huh
almost indicates a mission flavored with the requirement of the cooperation of two.)

ROFLOLMHO 3.141592... !!
I aint takin' no midnight train to GA, but if you're going to San Francisco, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair... Okie dokie, BananaPie is just being Stilly, I mean, silly.

And I aint going to no San Francisco again, not since the last time 15 yrs ago.
I'd rather take a freight train all the way to Georgia Lord, and never come back.
I might even rather find me a hole in the wall and crawl inside !!!

 

[justamazed]

My people, is it the money that we want, or what it gives us access to? Please help me.

 

[bleekerT]

You reject all those who stray from Your statutes (Acts 2:1/ 1Cor. 5:7-8),
For their deceit is falsehood. – Psalm 119:118, NKJV

You rebuke the proud—the cursed,
Who stray from Your commandments (1Cor. 7:19/ 1Jn 2:3-4) – Psalm 119:21, NKJV




PAUL: For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. - 1Tim. 6:10, NKJV

 

[justamazed]

Excerpt from Legal Tender Cases

James Madison's notes, from the Constitutional Convention in 1787, include a footnote where he says that the Constitution would not allow the federal government to use paper as currency or legal tender, though there is no indication whether or not the contents of his footnote were uttered aloud at the Convention.[SUP][15][/SUP] Thereafter, during the ratification debates, the Federalist Papers #44 (assumed to be authored by Madison) said that prohibiting states from emitting "bills of credit must give pleasure to every citizen, in proportion to his love of justice and his knowledge of the true springs of public prosperity." He further stated that the issuance of paper money by the states had resulted in "an accumulation of guilt, which can be expiated no otherwise than by a voluntary sacrifice of the power which has been the instrument of it."[SUP][[/SUP]


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[SUP]Revelation 17:

[/SUP]12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
[SUP]13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.[/SUP]
[SUP]14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Legal Tender Cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/SUP]

 

[ChristReconcilesAll]

We're living in a worldly system that usually requires money in exchange for goods and services. It is the obsession with money that is sin.