If Perchance Catholicism Is Mistaken

[Jackson123]

Catholic do not teach that Islam God is God. We simply believe that there is only one God and different interpretation. We believe in love and acceptance. We preach to accept everyone despite their religion and background. Let’s say that Islam God is not God, must you point finger and hate Muslim because they are different. They are human like you . Some were born Muslim and practice what was taught to me. The reason why catholic accept Islam is because we believe in love . Remember he scriptures one man helped another he saw on the road. That other man was from a different religion and background. Jesus used this example when he was explaining love your brother like yourself. None of Us know what we will see after we die whether our faith is justified or not. Muslim also think Christian have the wrong God. Who is right? God knows. Is someone necessarily right? Why don’t we love each other first as son of God.

Catholic did state islam worship Abraham God

Lumen gentium II/16/126

126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things

Let me copy one more time


....... among with us adore the one Mercy God.


Yes we have to love muslim, and because of love don't Lie to them. Tell them with love that Jesus is the only way to the father.

To love mean want to bring them to heaven.

To say they worship Abraham God is hate, I know why vatican say that, because they want to create one world religion to SUPPORT one world government, the antichrist government, Lucifer government, not because love.

If that because of love, than catholic must say exactly the bible say, No one come to the father except by Me.

That is the bible say about only one way of salvation.

Catholic do not care If they go to hell, all she care is to help Lucifer to create one world government

 

[Jackson123]

As we talked about earlier, is the Pope bowing toward or bowing unto? It's not clear from the picture to me.

Like we talked about earlier, bowing toward the temple is okay, but bowing unto the temple is not.

One thing I'm wondering about is what the preposition in Hebrew is. Sometimes the same preposition will be translated different ways by translators.

When muslim pray. They face toward mecca. Mecca is only one in the world.

There are millions of Mary statue in the world, how pope bos toward Mary statue?
You face all direction you face toward Mary statue. Pope is bow infront of one of the Mary statue.

 

[Dan_473]

Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

The word hallowed is to be venerated as those who lord it over the belief of others. In that way Catholicism like corrupted Judaism venerated their fathers and as patron saints believing they are communing with the dead. Its after one manner Father not seen .

Rachel hiding from her father sat on the teraphims, images of workers with familiar spirits They were need to put a face of the legion the many. When it does come up its does come as a legion a image idol. It must be used to give the illusion they are communing with those not seen who lord it over their faith.

They talk about a difference between veneration and adoration (worshipping and worshipping) trying to create a difference but the scriptures show us no difference .

They change the meaning of words like the word "apostle" into a succession of venerable men and in doing so violate the warning not to add other meanings to a word it can change the commandments or intent as it does (.Deuteronomy 4:1-2)And rather than coming from God not seen. . . they come from man once seen. . . Making the unseen source of faith without effect.

No man can serve two teaching masters . We look to the things not seen, the things of faith. Not to the things of men, no faith, rather walking by sight.

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 King James Version (KJV)Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you. Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, (singular)that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the Lord your God which I command you.

Keeping the integrity of the word throughout and when the last new revelation came it was sealed with seven seals The warning to not add to the whole or perfect at the end . Protecting all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura)

Of course we can see
Psalm 5: 7. But as for me, in the abundance of your loving kindness I will come into your house. I will bow
toward your holy temple in reverence of you.

And

Genesis 18: 1. Now the Lord came to him by the holy tree of Mamre, when he was seated in the doorway of his tent in the middle of the day; 2. And lifting up his eyes, he saw three men before him; and seeing them, he went quickly to them from the door of the tent, and went down on his face to the earth; 3. And said, My Lord, if now I have grace in your eyes, do not go away from your servant: 4. Let me get water for washing your feet, and take your rest under the tree:


Revelation 5: 12. Saying with a great voice, It is right to give to the Lamb who was put to death, power and wealth and wisdom and strength and honour and glory and blessing. 13. And to my ears came the voice of everything in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and of all things which are in them, saying, To him who is seated on the high seat, and to the Lamb, may blessing and honour and glory and power be given for ever and ever. 14. And the four beasts said, So be it. And the rulers went down on their faces and gave worship.

Keeping in mind always

Revelation 19: 10. I fell down before his feet to worship him. He said to me, "Look! Don't do it! I am a fellow bondservant with you and with your brothers who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the

testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy."

 

[Dan_473]

Towards can mean to look to the direction of intent. looking ahead. For the 3rd time the meaning was hid to help them to learn how to interpret parables. . the language of faith . Christ's intent was to the Samaritans, .The faithless apostles said call down fire and destroy. Out of sight out of mind. No faith needed in the foundation of Paganism

And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luke 9:51-55

manner of spirit. . . . "faithless"

Continuing on in Luke
Luke 9: 56. For the Son of Man didn't come to destroy men's lives, but to save them." They went to another village. 57. As they went on the way, a certain man said to him, "I want to follow you wherever you go, Lord." 58. Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."

Abraham laid his head, his face was on the ground.

 

[Dan_473]

Catholic do not teach that Islam God is God. We simply believe that there is only one God and different interpretation. We believe in love and acceptance. We preach to accept everyone despite their religion and background. Let’s say that Islam God is not God, must you point finger and hate Muslim because they are different. They are human like you . Some were born Muslim and practice what was taught to me. The reason why catholic accept Islam is because we believe in love . Remember he scriptures one man helped another he saw on the road. That other man was from a different religion and background. Jesus used this example when he was explaining love your brother like yourself. None of Us know what we will see after we die whether our faith is justified or not. Muslim also think Christian have the wrong God. Who is right? God knows. Is someone necessarily right? Why don’t we love each other first as son of God.

Hi Marcelleines, welcome to CC!

Your post reminded me of this verse
1 John 4: 7. My loved ones, let us have love for one another: because love is of God, and everyone who has love is a child of God and has knowledge of God.

 

[Dan_473]

Use the one you have on your lap. The bible generally has 66 books. It however does not need all 66 to teach a man what he needs to know to get saved. The catholics are welcome to the additional apocryphal books but they are not essential.

The unsaved man must only believe that the bible is the word of God. If there is no belief in the bible as Gods word there is nothing to discuss. Unsaved people who want to discuss what should be in the bible and what should not be in the bible are only looking to create room to insert their beliefs as equal to what God has declared.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I don't have any one particular Bible on my lap. I am using an Android phone and with internet access, I can see many different things called Bibles as well as loads of documents that at different times were considered part of the Bible.

I could take a public domain Bible like this one
https://studybible.info/NHEB/Psalms
And add or subtract parts almost indefinitely.

When you say the Bible generally has 66 books, I believe that is an appeal to tradition. Is the question of which documents should be in the Bible a matter of tradition?

 

[Dan_473]

When muslim pray. They face toward mecca. Mecca is only one in the world.

There are millions of Mary statue in the world, how pope bos toward Mary statue?
You face all direction you face toward Mary statue. Pope is bow infront of one of the Mary statue.

Yes, I agree that the Pope bows in front of Mary statue.

Is he bowing to or toward the statue?

Episcopalians face the cross and bow as the cross goes by in the procession at the beginning of the service.

Are they worshipping a three-dimensional object?

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, I agree that the Pope bows in front of Mary statue.

Is he bowing to or toward the statue?

Episcopalians face the cross and bow as the cross goes by in the procession at the beginning of the service.

Are they worshipping a three-dimensional object?

I believe the bible, that say do not bow infront of graven image, who so ever bow, It doesn't episkopalian !catholic or Hindu that bow are against the bible.

 

[Dan_473]

I believe the bible, that say do not bow infront of graven image, who so ever bow, It doesn't episkopalian !catholic or Hindu that bow are against the bible.

Does your Bible have the phrase
In front of a graven image?

 

[Jackson123]

Does your Bible have the phrase
In front of a graven image?

Good question

This is the bible say

Leviticus 26:1 King James Version (KJV)

26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.

It just common sense If people come close to statue an bow infront of It, to me and ever age people mean bow Down into it

 

[notuptome]

I don't have any one particular Bible on my lap. I am using an Android phone and with internet access, I can see many different things called Bibles as well as loads of documents that at different times were considered part of the Bible.

I could take a public domain Bible like this one
https://studybible.info/NHEB/Psalms
And add or subtract parts almost indefinitely.

When you say the Bible generally has 66 books, I believe that is an appeal to tradition. Is the question of which documents should be in the Bible a matter of tradition?

The bible in it's meanest form is still the bible. It is not which translation you read or which compilation of books you believe makes the bible complete that makes the bible efficacious to make men wise unto salvation.

The Holy Spirit takes the words and makes them work in men's hearts. For all have sinned is sufficient to convince men that they are guilty before God. The gift of God is eternal life is sufficient to give men hope when the Holy Spirit is involved and working in the heart.

This is not man driven by wholly by the sovereign will of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

Good question

This is the bible say

Leviticus 26:1 King James Version (KJV)

26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.

It just common sense If people come close to statue an bow infront of It, to me and ever age people mean bow Down into it

Its not the image they are worshipping, but the spirits of the departed workers with familiar spirits or patron saints. As lying wonders. When the image comes up it comes up as legion .The image of who ever simply puts a face as a teraphim on the voice. Coming from the imaginations of one unconverted hearts of thing not seen by the faith of Christ.

The legion always comes up faceless as a false source of faith and a image needed to deceive the fleshly minds as a illusion of things not there of unconverted mankind. In that way some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels as messengers not seen. The foundation of necromancy. No faith in our unseen father in heaven alone .The one prescribed manner. . Our Father in heaven.

So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Colossians 2:16-19 ERV

Necromancy . . . human idea the foundation of the faithless. No living faith that could please God coming from Him that does work in those who do believe.

Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

In other words Legion can be whoever you desire to commune with. Just get a image as a witness to the illusions. No image no illusion.

Mark 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

1 Samuel 28:12-14 King James Version (KJV) And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods (legion) ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

And bowed himself . . . worshipping the corrupted earth, mother nature, mother Mary queen of heaven .

Bowing down to the image is bowing down to that which has form the temporal, using the unseen dead as the mediator as false source of faith. .Don't bow down to the false doctrine and the image will take care of its self. Nothing wrong with images.

 

[Dan_473]

Good question

This is the bible say

Leviticus 26:1 King James Version (KJV)

26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.

It just common sense If people come close to statue an bow infront of It, to me and ever age people mean bow Down into it

Well, the King James that you're using there says
bow down unto

Then the King James also says
Psalm 5: 7. But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I
worship toward
thy holy temple.

So again, is the pope bowing down unto? Or worshipping towards?

I think we would have to know what was in his heart at the time.
I suggest we let God be the judge of that, so we don't keep going around and around on the same thing. Does that sound good to you?

 

[Dan_473]

The bible in it's meanest form is still the bible. It is not which translation you read or which compilation of books you believe makes the bible complete that makes the bible efficacious to make men wise unto salvation.

The Holy Spirit takes the words and makes them work in men's hearts. For all have sinned is sufficient to convince men that they are guilty before God. The gift of God is eternal life is sufficient to give men hope when the Holy Spirit is involved and working in the heart.

This is not man driven by wholly by the sovereign will of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes, the holy Spirit can take a set of words and make them efficacious to salvation.

Does this mean, in your view, that the entire document then is scripture?

Acts 17: 28. For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Some of the people who heard Paul's talk believed. Would that mean then that everything in the book of that poet was scripture?

 

[Dan_473]

The bible in it's meanest form is still the bible. It is not which translation you read or which compilation of books you believe makes the bible complete that makes the bible efficacious to make men wise unto salvation.

The Holy Spirit takes the words and makes them work in men's hearts. For all have sinned is sufficient to convince men that they are guilty before God. The gift of God is eternal life is sufficient to give men hope when the Holy Spirit is involved and working in the heart.

This is not man driven by wholly by the sovereign will of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I think the holy Spirit could also use this to lead someone to salvation
Jude 1: 14. About these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15. to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

Would it follow then, in your view, that the book of Enoch is scripture?

 

[notuptome]

Yes, the holy Spirit can take a set of words and make them efficacious to salvation.

Does this mean, in your view, that the entire document then is scripture?

Acts 17: 28. For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

Some of the people who heard Paul's talk believed. Would that mean then that everything in the book of that poet was scripture?

I think the holy Spirit could also use this to lead someone to salvation
Jude 1: 14. About these also Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15. to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their works of ungodliness which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

Would it follow then, in your view, that the book of Enoch is scripture?

This would lead me to believe that you would rather talk and act religious that walk with Christ in such a fashion as to be a testimony of the Lords redemptive work.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Jackson123]

Well, the King James that you're using there says
bow down unto

Then the King James also says
Psalm 5: 7. But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I
worship toward
thy holy temple.

So again, is the pope bowing down unto? Or worshipping towards?

I think we would have to know what was in his heart at the time.
I suggest we let God be the judge of that, so we don't keep going around and around on the same thing. Does that sound good to you?

Pope is bowing Down unto. What ever in his heart bowing Down unto Mary statue is prohibit.

Pope is like other catholic If they pray to Mary they may bowing Down unto the statue of Mary, If they pray to st Peter they bowing Down unto peter statue

Acts 10:25-26 King James Version (KJV)

25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

Read verse 26, why peter say stand up?

I believe Cornelius wasn't stand up or bow unto Peter.

When Peter alive he do not want people bowing Down unto him, do you think after he die he change his mind and want catholic bowing Down unto his statue?

I don't think so, catholic is pagan religion and the way their pray copy pagan way of pray

 

[Dan_473]

Its not the image they are worshipping, but the spirits of the departed workers with familiar spirits or patron saints. As lying wonders. When the image comes up it comes up as legion .The image of who ever simply puts a face as a teraphim on the voice. Coming from the imaginations of one unconverted hearts of thing not seen by the faith of Christ.

The legion always comes up faceless as a false source of faith and a image needed to deceive the fleshly minds as a illusion of things not there of unconverted mankind. In that way some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels as messengers not seen. The foundation of necromancy. No faith in our unseen father in heaven alone .The one prescribed manner. . Our Father in heaven.

So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Colossians 2:16-19 ERV

Necromancy . . . human idea the foundation of the faithless. No living faith that could please God coming from Him that does work in those who do believe.

Mark 5:9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

In other words Legion can be whoever you desire to commune with. Just get a image as a witness to the illusions. No image no illusion.

Mark 5:15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

Luke 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.

1 Samuel 28:12-14 King James Version (KJV) And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul. And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods (legion) ascending out of the earth. And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

And bowed himself . . . worshipping the corrupted earth, mother nature, mother Mary queen of heaven .

Bowing down to the image is bowing down to that which has form the temporal, using the unseen dead as the mediator as false source of faith. .Don't bow down to the false doctrine and the image will take care of its self. Nothing wrong with images.

Yes, nothing wrong with images. And nothing wrong with bowing towards the temple.

 

[garee]

Yes, nothing wrong with images. And nothing wrong with bowing towards the temple.

Images are neutral not evil in themselves .

Bowing down to them shows where a person's heart is. Catholicism utilizes another source of faith other that as it written.

They have 3500 and rising what they call patron saints (workers with familiar spirits) And the Bible call a abomination of desolation as a witness against them .

 

[Dan_473]

This would lead me to believe that you would rather talk and act religious that walk with Christ in such a fashion as to be a testimony of the Lords redemptive work.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Your conclusion would be in error.

Bottom line
It it isn't really possible to provide a reasonable description of the history of the 66 book Canon without talking about church tradition.

Many people cringe at that idea, so they look for any possible way they can find to get around it.