If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus 2:11

[Ukorin]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

I have only read the OP so far.
My response to it is:
Grace is an attribute, not an object.
It can refer to any action of charity by God.

The grace referred to in Titus is the sending of Christ to earth. It is by this grace (gift to mankind) that all men are saved.
This verse is not talking about the grace involved in election, or about the grace involved in granting faith to those who would believe.
Understanding "by Grace alone" requires understanding the meaning of the word grace.

Perhaps you would understand the phrase better if put into layman's terms:
It is only by the charity of God that men are saved.

 

[Ukorin]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

But how does one et the free gift (hamburger) without first doing the works in going to the restaurant and placing the order?

Because the Shepherd (delivery driver?) seeks out the lost sheep (customer?).
We do not go to the throne of God, but God brought Himself to us!
Now that He has come, we can now draw near. Not beforehand.

 

[Ukorin]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

If it was merely an open invitation, no one would come! The parable makes that clear.
Instead, the Bridesgroom has His servants go out an BRING those on the streets to the wedding.

This is not the Old Covenant, where man had to come to God,
but the New Covenant, where God comes to man.
THAT is the Good News!

 

[Jeff_56]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

Obedient works themselves do not save. God saves but saves those that do obedient works, so in that sense works do save. As James says 'by works a man is justified'. God is the Justifier (Rom 3:26) but God justifies those that do obedient works therefore in that sense James can say by WORKS a man is justified.

I am still waiting for someone explain to me (from post #33) how will I ever get that free combo meal while doing no works at all? No work in going to the restaurant? No work in placing the order? (I am getting hungry.)

"no worries" .... balaam will deliver it !!!!!!!!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

But how does one et the free gift (hamburger) without first doing the works in going to the restaurant and placing the order?

see post 56

JESUS said the words he spoke were Spirit and they were life.

They asked JESUS what shall we do to do the works of GOD?
Answer=believe the one he has sent.

Somebody might ask
How do you believe?

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD.

It's not about physical work although after salvation a person will do physical good work that men can see and glorify GOD but GOD looks at your faith.

 

[1joseph]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

1. If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since "the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" (Titus 2:11)?

God has made himself known to all. It is up to each individual to choose to accept or not accept His sin covering grace, as is understood in the verse you mention (Titus 2:11,) which reads in the New International Version, "For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people."

This salvation is available to any one who accepts the one true God, turns their life over to Him and serves Him.

Jesus prayed to the Father, “My prayer is not for them [his disciples] alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their [the disciples] message, [SUP]21 [/SUP]that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they [those of us who believe in Christ's message] also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me."
(John 17:20, 21)

 

[SeaBass]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

Because the Shepherd (delivery driver?) seeks out the lost sheep (customer?).
We do not go to the throne of God, but God brought Himself to us!
Now that He has come, we can now draw near. Not beforehand.

The issue was Naaman could not get the free gracious gift of healing unless he FIRST did the obedient work in dipping. The work in dipping was a condition God attached to His grace therefore Naaman could not earn that free gift by his work in dipping.

 

[SeaBass]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

If it was merely an open invitation, no one would come! The parable makes that clear.
Instead, the Bridesgroom has His servants go out an BRING those on the streets to the wedding.

This is not the Old Covenant, where man had to come to God,
but the New Covenant, where God comes to man.
THAT is the Good News!

It is an open offer to everyone "and whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely" & "Whosoever will come after me"

Anyone that wills to can accept the offer.

 

[SeaBass]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

see post 56

JESUS said the words he spoke were Spirit and they were life.

They asked JESUS what shall we do to do the works of GOD?
Answer=believe the one he has sent.

Somebody might ask
How do you believe?

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD.

It's not about physical work although after salvation a person will do physical good work that men can see and glorify GOD but GOD looks at your faith.

So one must FIRST do the work of believing then he can receive God's free gift of everlasting life.

Jn 6:27 Jesus said to WORK for the meat that endures unto everlasting life which the Son of man shall GIVES.

Jesus says He GIVES everlasting life so it's free yet why would he say to WORK for what He gives for free? Because that free gift of everlasting life comes with conditions, as the work of believing, yet meeting this condition cannot earn Christ's free gift but one cannot receive the free gift unless he first works to meet the conditions. Just like I cannot receive the free gift (hamburger) unless I first do the works of going to the restaurant and placing the order.

 

[Ukorin]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

The issue was Naaman could not get the free gracious gift of healing unless he FIRST did the obedient work in dipping. The work in dipping was a condition God attached to His grace therefore Naaman could not earn that free gift by his work in dipping.

Which Covenant do you want to be under?

 

[Ukorin]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

It is an open offer to everyone "and whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely" & "Whosoever will come after me"

Anyone that wills to can accept the offer.

Who gives men will? The man himself, or God?
It is God who gives faith, and this gift is not universal.

 

[Ukorin]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

Delivery is free. No order needs to be placed.
God sends the gift wherever He pleases, without condition, and by His own pleasure: not by any reason that we can understand.

 

[CRUCIFIEDWITHCHRIST]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

A person must deny himself and follow Christ. To follow Christ and die to all of self and all of the sinful ways. The way to do this is faith in Christ Jesus. Whats really happening is a persons heart is filled with the word of his grace after repentence and belief in his finished work. That's why Jesus says one must overcome the devil. The only way is receiving his divine nature. A person must examine themselves do we see Christ and love coming out of a pure heart or do we still see sin? Jesus came to deliver us from sin. This is the gift of God and in only that way can we truly love our neighbor with the same charity as Jesus has commanded. God is able to keep us from all the evil and this is his will this is salvation being free from sin.

 

[thecreationtutor]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

1. If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since "the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" (Titus 2:11)?

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you should probably change your name from preacher "contextually inept"

 

[posthuman]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

The grace of God is given for the obedience of the faith

Part of the answer could be in the verse that was sort of chopped up and put up

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation
hath appeared to all men,

Titus 2:12 Teaching us that,
denying ungodliness and worldly lusts,
we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

So we can be assured,

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you:
for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

However, our obedience is fulfuilled and he says,

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin,
but ye have obeyed from the heart
that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

The doctrine of Christ is according to godliness,
which is why grace teaches to deny that which pertains to worldly and ungodly lusts
Not obeying sin in the lusts thereof.

interesting; it says here grace is what teaches us to live righteously --
-- not righteous living that merits the reception of grace.

((breaks into song)) ​

♫
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'twas grace that taught my heart to sing,
and grace my soul relieved -
how precious did that grace appear,
the hour i first believed!
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♫​

 

[posthuman]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

I am still waiting for someone explain to me (from post #33) how will I ever get that free combo meal while doing no works at all? No work in going to the restaurant? No work in placing the order? (I am getting hungry.)

dude, even if i brought it to your house you would not be satisfied.
even if i chewed it up and spat it in your mouth for you, you would mutter about having to do the "works" of swallowing and digestion.
even if i put an I.V. in your arm and injected nutrients straight to your bloodstream, would you say "my heart has to do the work of pumping my blood" ?

at what point do you recognize that the Lord is He who made your heart? who made your blood? who made your stomach? who made your throat, that swallows? who made your mouth that chews? who made your hand that picks up a sandwich and holds it to your face to eat?

somewhere along in here, i feel like God needs to be praised. and nowhere along in here, i feel like man has opportunity or reason to boast. i am not 'better than' or 'wiser than' or 'more obedient than' Joe Doakes, who didn't get baptized. all i know is that God had mercy on me, changed my heart, opened my ears to hear and set my foot in His paths. so i give thanks!!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

So one must FIRST do the work of believing then he can receive God's free gift of everlasting life.

Jn 6:27 Jesus said to WORK for the meat that endures unto everlasting life which the Son of man shall GIVES.

Jesus says He GIVES everlasting life so it's free yet why would he say to WORK for what He gives for free? Because that free gift of everlasting life comes with conditions, as the work of believing, yet meeting this condition cannot earn Christ's free gift but one cannot receive the free gift unless he first works to meet the conditions. Just like I cannot receive the free gift (hamburger) unless I first do the works of going to the restaurant and placing the order.

GOD does a work in the person then they should renew their minds.
GOD doesn't need to see physical works...faith pleases GOD.I think you are talking about good physical works seen by men that glorifies GOD which is a fruit of the reborn spirit and not the root to being reborn.


water doesn't clean the inside but it cleans the outside...
When you were born again you knew it wasn't the water but it was the spirit.Didn't you experience this?
of course you did SeaBass.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

So one must FIRST do the work of believing then he can receive God's free gift of everlasting life.

Jn 6:27 Jesus said to WORK for the meat that endures unto everlasting life which the Son of man shall GIVES.

Jesus says He GIVES everlasting life so it's free yet why would he say to WORK for what He gives for free? Because that free gift of everlasting life comes with conditions, as the work of believing, yet meeting this condition cannot earn Christ's free gift but one cannot receive the free gift unless he first works to meet the conditions. Just like I cannot receive the free gift (hamburger) unless I first do the works of going to the restaurant and placing the order.

I don't think obedience comes before believing.
If it did then you are on your own.

 

[Delivery]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

1. If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since "the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" (Titus 2:11)?

That's an easy one. And I'm sure it has already been answered by others, but I will throw in a sentence or 2. It's because people have to make the conscious decision to accept God's Grace through Jesus. Jesus died for everybody but the only ones who receive His Salvation are those who confess Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Everybody has the immortal majesty of personal choice to either accept or reject God's Grace through Jesus.

 

[mailmandan]

Re: If salvation is "solely by grace," why are not all people saved since Read Titus

The issue was Naaman could not get the free gracious gift of healing unless he FIRST did the obedient work in dipping. The work in dipping was a condition God attached to His grace therefore Naaman could not earn that free gift by his work in dipping.

Still Naaman received healing from leprosy, NOT THE GIFT OF ETERNAL LIFE after he dipped. God did not attach dipping to His grace in Ephesians 2:8,9 or in Romans 5:2. Saved by grace through FAITH/We receive access by FAITH into grace, not by works, not by dipping, not by jumping through hoops.