If The Kingdom isn't here yet then what is JESUS CHRIST a King of?

[ewq1938]

The true Church, the true believers, will not go through the tribulation.

Yes they will. They are the whole reason for satan's great tribulation.

You clearly haven't been reading:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


The ones persecuted are Christians!


Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The ones persecuted are Christians!


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Christians are Satan's target!


Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The saints are Christians not Jews. The tribulation is war on Christianity.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The witness of Jesus means they are Christians. The ones persecuted are Christians!

 

[Charlie24]

Yes they will. They are the whole reason for satan's great tribulation.

You clearly haven't been reading:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


The ones persecuted are Christians!


Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

The ones persecuted are Christians!


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Christians are Satan's target!


Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The saints are Christians not Jews. The tribulation is war on Christianity.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The witness of Jesus means they are Christians. The ones persecuted are Christians!

I've been reading, I just disagree. It's nothing I haven't read before, so I can quickly skim it.

The Gentiles have had almost 2000 years of grace, where Israel has been in unbelief. The tribulation is Israel's grace in disguise.

 

[ewq1938]

I've been reading, I just disagree. It's nothing I haven't read before, so I can quickly skim it.

Yeah that's going to be one of the major issues. You need to slow down and read carefully not skim. Nothing you have said is from the bible but everything I have said was backed up with scripture because my views come directly from scriptures. The GT is a war on Christians, not Jews.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Charlie24]

Yeah that's going to be one of the major issues. You need to slow down and read carefully not skim. Nothing you have said is from the bible but everything I have said was backed up with scripture because my views come directly from scriptures. The GT is a war on Christians, not Jews.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

LOL, on that we couldn't disagree more!

The woman is Israel, more specifically the 144,000 who have come to Christ in the early stages of the tribulation. This angers Satan to no end (the dragon). He sets out to make war with ISRAEL. And so Israel is on God's path to Grace in Jesus Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

LOL, on that we couldn't disagree more!

The woman is Israel, more specifically the 144,000 who have come to Christ in the early stages of the tribulation. This angers Satan to no end (the dragon). He sets out to make war with ISRAEL. And so Israel is on God's path to Grace in Jesus Christ.

That doesn't come from bible though. It's just popular theology spewed out by false teachers which is then repeated by various people who listened to them. I post scripture proving war is against Christians and you said you couldn't disagree more! That should scare you!

 

[HatedForNoReason]

LOL, on that we couldn't disagree more!

The woman is Israel, more specifically the 144,000 who have come to Christ in the early stages of the tribulation. This angers Satan to no end (the dragon). He sets out to make war with ISRAEL. And so Israel is on God's path to Grace in Jesus Christ.

The Jews got cut off, now salvation is all races=black, white and etc. It's obvious 144,000 is symbolic for God's elects that God chose before the world was created. God will never save the nonelect, just as God won't save Satan and his demons.

 

[Charlie24]

That doesn't come from bible though. It's just popular theology spewed out by false teachers which is then repeated by various people who listened to them. I post scripture proving war is against Christians and you said you couldn't disagree more! That should scare you!

It doesn't scare me nor should it scare any believer, we won't be here when this happens.

The focus of Satan is Israel during this time, he uses the nations of all the world to get at them.

Why do you think the scripture says, "I will bring all nations to Jerusalem to war?"

 

[Charlie24]

The Jews got cut off, now salvation is all races=black, white and etc. It's obvious 144,000 is symbolic for God's elects that God chose before the world was created. God will never save the nonelect, just as God won't save Satan and his demons.

That's not what Paul said in Rom. 11:1-2

"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,"

Israel was called by God to reach the world for Christ, they failed, they have been placed on the back-burner for 2000 years now.

But the restoration of Israel is coming! They will complete their calling in the reign of Christ.

In order for all this to happen, Paul said in Rom. 11:26-27,

"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Israel is God's chosen, they were chosen before the Church was chosen, it would benefit us to remember that!

 

[ewq1938]

Israel is God's chosen, they were chosen before the Church was chosen, it would benefit us to remember that!

That's not actually correct. They were and are the original church. Gentiles eventually joined them as believers in Jesus the Messiah. Non-believers were removed or kicked out. That tree has had a lot of pruning and grafting!

 

[Charlie24]

That's not actually correct. They were and are the original church. Gentiles eventually joined them as believers in Jesus the Messiah. Non-believers were removed or kicked out. That tree has had a lot of pruning and grafting!

Nope! The nation of Israel was chosen by God to be the premiere nation of the world, they were given the Law and only they had it, they were blessed to be the womb of the Christ, only they were chosen.

But they failed by rejecting Christ, which brought salvation to the Gentiles through a few faithful from Israel. The nation of Israel as a whole is in unbelief but that all changes at the end of the tribulation.

Then they will be what God chose then to be for 1000 years under the reign of Christ.

 

[Magenta]

Israel is God's chosen, they were chosen before the Church was chosen, it would benefit us to remember that!

From Ephesians 1:4-6

 

[Charlie24]

From Ephesians 1:4-6

There are no favorites in the end! But during the Millennial reign, for 1000 years, the nations will be subject to Israel.

They will have to come through the Jews to get to Christ. The idea is that Israel has been hated by the world since the beginning, many have wanted and tried to destroy her. But God has always loved her and proves that love for 1000 years to the world.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Sure sounds like we have a crown for reigning right now if someone can take it from us.

Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

 

[ewq1938]

Sure sounds like we have a crown for reigning right now if someone can take it from us.

Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

 

[Charlie24]

Sure sounds like we have a crown for reigning right now if someone can take it from us.

Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

The crown of salvation as Peter and Paul told us. Whatever comes in the future and is written in scripture is just a bonus for us.

We are to focus on keeping the faith (the crown of righteousness) that we don't lose it!

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Do you think you are associated with the Martyr Church?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

satan is bound because he can't accuse anyone that has JESUS as an Advocate. JESUS fulfilled The Law meaning we can use JESUS as a trump card for anything satan could possibly throw at us. With Archangel Michael kicking satan out, i don't think he can even enter the courtroom anymore.

The Book of Daniel already happened. Scripture doesn't say that only the people living at the time were written in the Book. 70 A.D. was trouble.

Dan 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Daniel 9:24
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[DavidTree]

The Jews got cut off, now salvation is all races=black, white and etc. It's obvious 144,000 is symbolic for God's elects that God chose before the world was created. God will never save the nonelect, just as God won't save Satan and his demons.

YES Brother = 100% TRUTH

There are no favorites in the end! But during the Millennial reign, for 1000 years, the nations will be subject to Israel.

They will have to come through the Jews to get to Christ. The idea is that Israel has been hated by the world since the beginning, many have wanted and tried to destroy her. But God has always loved her and proves that love for 1000 years to the world.

Your preaching a false gospel by separating the Body of Christ.

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4

Our LORD spoke in Parables while on earth - Revelation, He again is speaking in code using symbolism that points to direct Truth.

There is only One Israel of God who are SAVED - Jew and Gentile in CHRIST.

There are no raptured Saints in Revelation until chapters 19-20.
Anyone who says there are is rejecting God's word and adding to God's word:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death,c so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.


And concerning the unsaved Jews of the flesh on earth Jesus says this to them right now:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’

 

[Charlie24]

YES Brother = 100% TRUTH



Your preaching a false gospel by separating the Body of Christ.

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4

Our LORD spoke in Parables while on earth - Revelation, He again is speaking in code using symbolism that points to direct Truth.

There is only One Israel of God who are SAVED - Jew and Gentile in CHRIST.

There are no raptured Saints in Revelation until chapters 19-20.
Anyone who says there are is rejecting God's word and adding to God's word:

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death,c so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.


And concerning the unsaved Jews of the flesh on earth Jesus says this to them right now:

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’

Oh, I see, if we don't agree with you we are, "rejecting God's word and adding to God's word:"

After Rev. 4 the Church is not mentioned, where are they? Is it possible the trumpet that called up John in Rev. 4 represents the rapture of the Church and then the book of Rev. begins to unfold?