IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

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KJV1611

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You ignore that the religious Jews are going to build a third temple on the site of the original 2. That site has been excavated and there are videos and sites with evidence about it. I will attach information on this. It doesn't matter what us Christians believe but what the religious Jews believe. This is the flaw in your reasoning. I talk about the temple from descriptions in the Bible stating it contains a place behind the curtain called the holy of holies. This description is from the Bible. When the new temple is built this will be part of it.

Second temple location - where was it built

Second Temple
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Destruction of the second temple
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The Jews building a temple doesn’t have anything to do with prophecy. “The Antichrist” can sacrifice all the pigs he wants and will not fulfill a single prophecy.
 
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You ignore that the religious Jews are going to build a third temple on the site of the original 2. That site has been excavated and there are videos and sites with evidence about it. I will attach information on this. It doesn't matter what us Christians believe but what the religious Jews believe. This is the flaw in your reasoning. I talk about the temple from descriptions in the Bible stating it contains a place behind the curtain called the holy of holies. This description is from the Bible. When the new temple is built this will be part of it.

Second temple location - where was it built

Second Temple
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple

Destruction of the second temple
http://www.aish.com/jl/h/cc/48944036.html?tab=y#
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Maybe if we add "eth" to everything he will getteth iteth.....see...we are not speaking the King's English.........!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Maybe if we add "eth" to everything he will getteth iteth.....see...we are not speaking the King's English.........!
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I know you have a hard time bridling your tongue but don’t you think it’s better to stick with the topic instead of insulting people?
 
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KJV1611 said:
The Jews building a temple doesn’t have anything to do with prophecy. “The Antichrist” can sacrifice all the pigs he wants and will not fulfill a single prophecy.
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Then explain where the abomination that causes desolation will occur. It has to take place a very holy place!!
 
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KJV1611 said:
I know you have a hard time bridling your tongue but don’t you think it’s better to stick with the topic instead of insulting people?
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You don't seem to understand that in ways you are insulting some of us! We give facts from scripture and you ignore them claiming they are not relevant. For example the abomination that causes desolation must occur in a very holy place by definition.
 
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Then explain where the abomination that causes desolation will occur. It has to take place a very holy place!!
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It’s already occurred and it occurred at THE holy place, not a shadow of the holy place, but the REAL holy place, it was at the cross.

The Jews killing their Messiah was the abomination that left Jerusalem desolate.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I know you have a hard time bridling your tongue but don’t you think it’s better to stick with the topic instead of insulting people?
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Are you insulted....and I do stick with the truth.......so...tell me....how does the following sound to you? How is the following not insulting....?

Your quote -->they're not the God hating Jesus killing Jews that you support. Do you actually read the bible?

Take your own meds pal and look to your own door before you address me when I was not even talking to you directly!
 
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It’s already occurred and it occurred at THE holy place, not a shadow of the holy place, but the REAL holy place, it was at the cross.

The Jews killing their Messiah was the abomination that left Jerusalem desolate.
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Nice embellishment.....-->LEFT IS NOT MAKES!

I suppose when you can add to or change the word at will you can come up with all sorts of new dogma hey
 
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Are you insulted....and I do stick with the truth.......so...tell me....how does the following sound to you? How is the following not insulting....?

Your quote -->they're not the God hating Jesus killing Jews that you support. Do you actually read the bible?

Take your own meds pal and look to your own door before you address me when I was not even talking to you directly!
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The Jews that killed Christ hated him and hated God. Why do you have such a problem with that? Do you not agree?
 
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Hello YehovaYeshua,

First of all, your error here is the assumption that the gathering of the church immediately initiates the seven years, which it does not. Sometime after the church has been caught up, that ruler, the antichrist will establish his seven year covenant with Israel(Dan.9:27) and that is what initiates the seven years.

And secondly, it is your claim of "we would be able to calculate the exact date of Jesus's return" is correct and is one of the features which separates the appearing of the Lord to gather the church vs. the Lord's return to the earth to end the age. The gathering of the church is and has always been imminent. Believers are to continue to be watching and ready for the Lord's return because He will come like a thief in the night.

In opposition, prior to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, the church must be gathered, the seven year covenant with Israel must be established, the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments must take place. And then shortly after the seventh bowl has been poured out, then the Lord will return.

The bottom line is that regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, there are all kinds of signs that must take place which will allow believers on the earth during that time to know the approximate time by reading along in Revelation by counting off each seal, trumpet and bowl judgment. When the seventh angel pours out his bowl, the greatest earthquake to ever hit the earth since mankind has been on it will take place, causing the mountains and islands to disappear. The cities of the nations will collapse and there will be a great hail storm with hail weighing from 75 to 100 lbs. Once a person sees that event take place, then the sun and moon will be darkened and the stars (meteorites/asteroids) will fall to the earth and the inhabitants of the earth will see the Son of Man arriving on the clouds of heaven with great glory and will send out His angels to first gather the weeds and then the wheat.
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First of all, your error here is the assumption that the gathering of the church immediately initiates the seven years, which it does not.

Agree completely. Your post was spot on as far as I am concerned. Thank you.
 
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The Jews that killed Christ hated him and hated God. Why do you have such a problem with that? Do you not agree?
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No I don't agree....Jesus said clearly they did not know what they were doing...do you disagree that you and I both put Jesus on the cross?
 
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KJV1611 said:
It’s already occurred and it occurred at THE holy place, not a shadow of the holy place, but the REAL holy place, it was at the cross.

The Jews killing their Messiah was the abomination that left Jerusalem desolate.
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the REAL holy place, it was at the cross.

Pure speculation. Nothing in scripture supports that claim.
 
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Nice embellishment.....-->LEFT IS NOT MAKES!

I suppose when you can add to or change the word at will you can come up with all sorts of new dogma hey
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Christ was the REAL LAMB, he fulfilled the sacrificial lamb shadow with his death.

Where did he fulfill it? Where was the Lambs Blood offered? What was the fulfillment of THE HOLY PLACE? THE CROSS. How can you not see that!

If you want to take those verses about Christ and attribute them to the non-exitent “The Antichrist” then you go right ahead and lead people astray with your Left Behind fantasy. But I will fight you all the way.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Christ was the REAL LAMB, he fulfilled the sacrificial lamb shadow with his death.

Where did he fulfill it? Where was the Lambs Blood offered? What was the fulfillment of THE HOLY PLACE? THE CROSS. How can you not see that!

If you want to take those verses about Christ and attribute them to the non-exitent “The Antichrist” then you go right ahead and lead people astray with your Left Behind fantasy. But I will fight you all the way.
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Your not fighting me pal, but rather your own fantasy land view....and who saif anything about left behind....man you need help!
 
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Your not fighting me pal, but rather your own fantasy land view....and who saif anything about left behind....man you need help!
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Again you offer no counter as to WHY THE HOLY PLACE ISNT THE CROSS.
 
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KJV1611 said:
It’s already occurred and it occurred at THE holy place, not a shadow of the holy place, but the REAL holy place, it was at the cross.

The Jews killing their Messiah was the abomination that left Jerusalem desolate.
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The quote is from Revelations written much later than the Crucifixion. I take it you are not familiar with it. You seem to be suffering from that dread disease of foot in mouth!!
 
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Again you offer no counter as to WHY THE HOLY PLACE ISNT THE CROSS.
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Read the above reference that the quote is from Revelations written much later than the Crucifixion. It becomes obvious you are ignorant about the eschatologyical texts. Do you understand eschatology?
 
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