IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

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Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29and come out, those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

?????? you missed that too ???????
Of course they came out, that’s the point I’m making. They heard the words of Jesus and some were resurrected to life and some to damnation. Thank you for making my point.
 
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Are you guys seeing the message now?

The hour has come and those who hear Christ will be spiritually resurrected.

The hour is coming when the spirits in prison will hear his voice and those that believe will be resurrected to life and those who reject it will be raised to damnation.
 

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You guys do realize that Jesus went and preached the gospel to ALL the spirits in prison don’t you? They heard the message and lived just like verse 25 says. They heard the voice of the Son of God and lived.

Joh 5:25 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Dude....all A-L-L of the bodily ressurections BEFORE the end of the 1000 year reign aka Great Whit Throne judgment are SAINTS. No one is resurrected to judgment before then.

You are totally off base and in serious error on every point.
 
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Dude....all A-L-L of the bodily ressurections BEFORE the end of the 1000 year reign aka Great Whit Throne judgment are SAINTS. No one is resurrected to judgment before then.

You are totally off base and in serious error on every point.
So in your view Christ ministered to the spirits in prison and just left them there? Do you think they’re still in prison?
 
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He didn’t leave them there, he took them with him when he ascended up on high.

Eph 4:8 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
 

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Are you guys seeing the message now? The hour has come and those who hear Christ will be spiritually resurrected. The hour is coming when the spirits in prison will hear his voice and those that believe will be resurrected to life and those who reject it will be raised to damnation.
You are referring to 1 Peter 3: 18-20. There is debate within Christian circles as to what this passage means. For example, some think it was Christ preaching "in the Spirit" through Noah during the pre-flood days. Others think it is demons that Christ preached to in hell while He was in the grave declaring His victory at the cross. And some, like you, think it was humans He spoke too.

I'm not going to spend the next 5 days debating with you over which one is right. I'm not even going to reveal to you my opinion on this passage that way I can make sure I avoid arguing with you. I will say this though:

Hebrews 9: 27, "It is given to man once to die and then the judgment"
Matthew 25: 1-13, The parable of the foolish virgins not being ready and shut out of the kingdom.
Luke 16: 19-31, "...If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead."

I could give a ton more Scriptures. The Bible teaches from start to finish that if you don't accept Christ, in this life, you perish. You don't get a "second chance" in hell.

Your suggestion goes against everything the Bible teaches and is built on an ambiguous passage with many possible interpretations. That is a recipe for winding up with false doctrine.

Like I said before, I don't think it is helpful to discuss this topic further with you. You have your belief in what you think the Scripture says on this subject, just like I do. I try to build my doctrines off clear verses not ambiguous ones.

Nevertheless, I wish you well in your search for truth in the Scriptures and Lord willing we may have further discussions on here.

God bless you and thank you for the conversation. :)
 
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You are referring to 1 Peter 3: 18-20. There is debate within Christian circles as to what this passage means. For example, some think it was Christ preaching "in the Spirit" through Noah during the pre-flood days. Others think it is demons that Christ preached to in hell while He was in the grave declaring His victory at the cross. And some, like you, think it was humans He spoke too.

I'm not going to spend the next 5 days debating with you over which one is right. I'm not even going to reveal to you my opinion on this passage that way I can make sure I avoid arguing with you. I will say this though:

Hebrews 9: 27, "It is given to man once to die and then the judgment"
Matthew 25: 1-13, The parable of the foolish virgins not being ready and shut out of the kingdom.
Luke 16: 19-31, "...If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead."

I could give a ton more Scriptures. The Bible teaches from start to finish that if you don't accept Christ, in this life, you perish. You don't get a "second chance" in hell.

Your suggestion goes against everything the Bible teaches and is built on an ambiguous passage with many possible interpretations. That is a recipe for winding up with false doctrine.

Like I said before, I don't think it is helpful to discuss this topic further with you. You have your belief in what you think the Scripture says on this subject, just like I do. I try to build my doctrines off clear verses not ambiguous ones.

Nevertheless, I wish you well in your search for truth in the Scriptures and Lord willing we may have further discussions on here.

God bless you and thank you for the conversation. :)
Sounds good appreciate your time.
 

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So in your view Christ ministered to the spirits in prison and just left them there? Do you think they’re still in prison?
I would say definitely yes. Likely they are a contingent of fallen Angels to whom the Lord declared victory and who then knelt in His presence.
 
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I will say that I could be wrong about the bad ones given a chance after hearing the word of Christ.... I don’t know. But I do know he set the good ones free and took them to heaven with him.
 
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I would say definitely yes. Likely they are a contingent of fallen Angels to whom the Lord declared victory and who then knelt in His presence.
So that means Abraham Isaac and Jacob are still in Abraham’s bosom?
 
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Eph 4:8 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Do you guys know who captivity is?
 

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IF there were a Rapture at the START of a 7-year tribulation period, then we would be able to calculate the exact date of Jesus's return and appearance in glory to earth, wouldn't we, i.e., 7 years after the date of the Rapture.

But the Bible says that no man knows the hour and even Jesus said that on THAT MATTER ONLY the Father knows the hour and day of Jesus's return.

Mark 13:32-33
But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.Take you heed, watch and pray: FOR YOU KNOW NOT WHEN THE TIME IS.

Therefore there can be NO Rapture at the start of a 7-year tribulation period because we would know how to calculate the day of His return 7 years later.

YehovaYeshua
I believe rapture happen after tribulation.

But the logic that if rapture happen before tribulation than we know Jesus come 7 years after, is the same position if rapture after 7 years after tribulation.

People can calculate if rapture 7 years after tribulation

Watch when tribulation start than wait 7 years
 
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Maybe the NIV is more clear on that verse. What captives did Jesus take with him when he ascend?

Ephesians 4:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 This is why it[a] says:

When he ascended on high,
he took many captives

and gave gifts to his people.”[b]
 

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I will say that I could be wrong about the bad ones given a chance after hearing the word of Christ.... I don’t know. But I do know he set the good ones free and took them to heaven with him.
You "do know" ?????
There is no Scriptural support for that. On the contrary the consensus is that fallen angels never repent, cannot, nor is there any plan or propitation for that to happen. Christ Jesus died as a man with Adam aka mankind as beneficiary. Thats it thats all.
 
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Unknown but very possibility.
Read the post I posted from the NIV, that’s Abraham Isaac and Jacob and the rest of the resurrected saints at Christ’s resurrection.
 
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You "do know" ?????
There is no Scriptural support for that. On the contrary the consensus is that fallen angels never repent, cannot, nor is there any plan or propitation for that to happen. Christ Jesus died as a man with Adam aka mankind as beneficiary. Thats it thats all.
No I don’t know. All those in Abraham’s bosom were already saved I’m pretty sure so the only ones left to minister to we’re the ones who were disobedient before the flood.

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;


1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
 

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Read the post I posted from the NIV, that’s Abraham Isaac and Jacob and the rest of the resurrected saints at Christ’s resurrection.
Pls repost thx.
 
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Maybe the NIV is more clear on that verse. What captives did Jesus take with him when he ascend?

Ephesians 4:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 This is why it[a] says:

When he ascended on high,
he took many captives

and gave gifts to his people.”[b]
Repost.....

Who were the captives that Jesus took with him when he ascended?
 
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@ delirious

In your opinion who were the captives that ascended with Jesus?