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Sheep are only those who are born again, which enables them to hear His voice in the Scriptures.
John 14:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
John 10:27-28 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] My sheep hear My voice, and I know them {That inner, personal LOVE relationship that comes when we surrender control of our lives to HIM as LORD, which means MASTER.}, and they follow Me.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
I get it...white man evil.
Perhaps a refresher course in your scriptures...
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
(Rom 3:10-18)
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
(Jer 17:9)
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
(Mar 7:21-22)
This is all true BC or AC...it's really ABC
Perhaps a refresher course in your scriptures...
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
(Rom 3:10-18)
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
(Jer 17:9)
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
(Mar 7:21-22)
This is all true BC or AC...it's really ABC
I must correct you, God did not "give" them anything. But should they go this path there were conditions that they must follow or everything is off. They have failed to do this so all bets are off. The world will continue to evolve without them.
The Promised Land turns out to be the USA.
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The Promised Land turns out to be the USA.
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THEN YOU CERTAINLY ARE NOT READING EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE:
1 Chronicles 16:17-18 (NIV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He confirmed it to Jacob as a decree,to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "To you I will give the land of Canaan as the portion you will inherit."
1 Kings 11:39 (GW)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] I will make David's descendants suffer for this, but not always.”
1 Kings 9:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] then I will establish the throne of your kingdom over Israel forever, as I promised David your father, saying, 'You shall not fail to have a man on the throne of Israel.'
Psalm 103:8-10 (NIV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] The LORD is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, abounding in love.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] He will not always accuse, nor will He harbor His anger forever;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] He does not treat us as our sins deserve or repay us according to our iniquities.
Isaiah 57:16 (GW)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] I will not accuse you forever. I will not be angry with you forever. Otherwise, the spirits, the lives of those I've made, would grow faint in my presence.
Jeremiah 33:7-9 (GW)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] I will restore Judah and Israel and rebuild them as they were before.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] I will cleanse them from all the sins that they have committed against me. I will forgive them for all the sins that they have committed against me and for rebelling against me.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then Jerusalem will be my source of joy, praise, and honor. All the nations on earth will hear about all the blessings that I will give to Jerusalem. They will be afraid and tremble because of all the prosperity that I will provide for it.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHY EVERY WORD OF THE FOLLOWING VERSES IS TALKING ONLY ABOUT JEWS FROM ISRAEL, AND THUS GOD KEEPS HIS WORD OF AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH ISRAEL GIVING THEM THE LAND OF CANAAN:
Revelation 7:4-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 sealed from every tribe of the Israelites:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] 12,000 sealed from the tribe of Judah, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] 12,000 from the tribe of Asher, 12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph, 12,000 sealed from the tribe of Benjamin.
They will be the only mortals left after the ALL of the Tribulation Saints are beheaded by the Antichrist, and OUR LORD AND KING kills the REST with the sword of His mouth (HIS WORD - Rev. 19:21). HE begins HIS thousand year reign on the THRONE OF DAVID, with the ONLY mortals left on the planet being the 144,000 sealed from every tribe of the Israelites. OT Saints and NT Saints and Tribulation Saints all being in our Resurrected, Glorified, Immortal bodies.
Jeremiah 32:40-42 (NKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from doing them good; but I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Yes, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will assuredly plant them in this land {Not the USA}, with all My heart and with all My soul.'
[SUP]42 [/SUP] "For thus says the LORD: 'Just as I have brought all this great calamity on this people, so I will bring on them all the good that I have promised them.
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I have news for you, the theory that "Rules are made to be broken"; is a lie from the Devil.
1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
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A sojourner was not an illegal immigrant. A sojourner was a visitor from another country that had government approval to be in ancient Israel for a temporary period of time and was to return home when their business was finished.
They weren't illegally in ancient Israel living off the Israelites (e.g. welfare) and setting up streetgangs to sell narcotics for the cartels domiciled in the nations they came from.
God was saying they should be treated equally under ancient Israel's criminal and civil justice system. That's all.
You need to learn what you read means in its historical context and not project your own misunderstandings onto the text.
They weren't illegally in ancient Israel living off the Israelites (e.g. welfare) and setting up streetgangs to sell narcotics for the cartels domiciled in the nations they came from.
God was saying they should be treated equally under ancient Israel's criminal and civil justice system. That's all.
You need to learn what you read means in its historical context and not project your own misunderstandings onto the text.
I am still confused as to why Christians even care.
I am not supporting illegal immigrants, and would rebuke a fellow believer if I found out they were here illegally, because they are not abiding by the Law of the land;
But I don't understand why any Christian would feel any conviction over the logistics of a man-made law, or even debate it.
Why would any Believer care which laws a government actively enforces, and which ones they neglect to enforce?
As long as we are not personally breaking them, our consciences should be clear on the matter,
and our thoughts freed from the issue.
The only reason to care about such things, is if you believe that America is the Kingdom of God, and that we must build and protect God's earthly Kingdom in order for Christ to return.
I am not supporting illegal immigrants, and would rebuke a fellow believer if I found out they were here illegally, because they are not abiding by the Law of the land;
But I don't understand why any Christian would feel any conviction over the logistics of a man-made law, or even debate it.
Why would any Believer care which laws a government actively enforces, and which ones they neglect to enforce?
As long as we are not personally breaking them, our consciences should be clear on the matter,
and our thoughts freed from the issue.
The only reason to care about such things, is if you believe that America is the Kingdom of God, and that we must build and protect God's earthly Kingdom in order for Christ to return.
Why do you play the race card.I am not a supporter of illegal immigrants or anything illegal all I am doing is showing one can use a certain method to gain power and when in power make that same method become illegal. Just as slavery was used...and indentured labour....It is like a policeman smoking pot in secret and going out and arresting even those who smell of pot...
So even though I do not support illegal immigration I am not condemning those who do it...they are human beings and should be treated as such...this is not a crime punishable by death .....
So even though I do not support illegal immigration I am not condemning those who do it...they are human beings and should be treated as such...this is not a crime punishable by death .....
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If you read the Bible, you'd know why Christians care for the Bible teaches that it is the obligation of every Christian to exercise their civic duty responsibly with respect to government which biblically; people have a right to form for the purpose of establishing a just rule of law to avoid the lawlessness found in anarchy.
So your entire premise that every Christian should not feel conviction over man-made laws designed to responsibly administrate their nation is false, very irresponsible, and unbiblical.
But your view also fails logically and societally. You see, in a well-functioning society, people have a material degree of homogeneity cooperating like a system of interconnected parts. Ideally they internalize this and do so because they believe it is the "right thing to do." We call this the "social contract." Though it is looking tattered these days with illegal immigration playing a material role in its deterioration, America still has a social contract.
Sociological studies show that people internalize the norms and values (e.g. social contract) of a society to the degree that a society actively imparts them. The process of this internalization is called enculturation.
You need to understand that illegal immigration completely bypasses the system designed to enculturate and imbue them with the culture and values of their new society so that they will internalize them and pass them on to their children maintaining a material degree of societal homogeneity and allowing them to join the system as an interconnected part rather than a disparate one.
This is important because if internalization and socialization fail to produce a positive social conformity, some form of “social control” is eventually needed to address the lawlessness created. Social control may take the form of ostracism, fines, punishments, deportations, and even imprisonment.
You strike me as someone who has never lived through an illegal alien invasion. I have and I can assure you that when millions of immigrants simply bypass the entire process created by our government and society to enculturate them they retain the very norms rooted in the poor performing societies they were seeking to escape from in the first place and pass those on to their children. Even their loyalties, in many cases, are not even to this country.
Where I grew up (Lost Angeles, CA), illegal immigration transformed miles of all-American blue collar neighborhoods into criminally patrolled barrios held down by street gangs that sling dope and "put in work" on the law abiding members of society and each other.
In some places, the breakdown of the social order is so complete that prison gangs control the street gangs ordering them to literally hunt other races and murder them. I kid you not.
As a result, in large portions of the Southwest United States today, gone are the civil communities that once existed and the American dream. In their place are sprawling dangerous barrios held down by criminal gangs and a new La Raza racism which preaches a seditious policy of reconquesta based upon a false history and logic.
The judicial and social safety nets are stretched to the breaking point, the governments in debt, the public education system (often despite 40% of the entire state budget and the proceeds of the lottery being allocated to it) have failed and are producing sub standard graduates. In CA, just as an example, public education fell from first in the nation to third from the bottom.
The U.S. has been partially transformed into the dysfunctional places they sought to escape from rather than them being transformed into the America they entered... an America which was a great forward-thinking, homogenous, safe, and educationally challenging one to grow up in... even right in Los Angeles County in those days.
As Teddy Roosevelt once said:
"We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American.
There can be no divided allegiance here. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people."
-Teddy Roosevelt.
Why should anyone care you said if they are a Christian? I can give you about a thousand reasons and 999 of them will be straight from the Bible.
So your entire premise that every Christian should not feel conviction over man-made laws designed to responsibly administrate their nation is false, very irresponsible, and unbiblical.
But your view also fails logically and societally. You see, in a well-functioning society, people have a material degree of homogeneity cooperating like a system of interconnected parts. Ideally they internalize this and do so because they believe it is the "right thing to do." We call this the "social contract." Though it is looking tattered these days with illegal immigration playing a material role in its deterioration, America still has a social contract.
Sociological studies show that people internalize the norms and values (e.g. social contract) of a society to the degree that a society actively imparts them. The process of this internalization is called enculturation.
You need to understand that illegal immigration completely bypasses the system designed to enculturate and imbue them with the culture and values of their new society so that they will internalize them and pass them on to their children maintaining a material degree of societal homogeneity and allowing them to join the system as an interconnected part rather than a disparate one.
This is important because if internalization and socialization fail to produce a positive social conformity, some form of “social control” is eventually needed to address the lawlessness created. Social control may take the form of ostracism, fines, punishments, deportations, and even imprisonment.
You strike me as someone who has never lived through an illegal alien invasion. I have and I can assure you that when millions of immigrants simply bypass the entire process created by our government and society to enculturate them they retain the very norms rooted in the poor performing societies they were seeking to escape from in the first place and pass those on to their children. Even their loyalties, in many cases, are not even to this country.
Where I grew up (Lost Angeles, CA), illegal immigration transformed miles of all-American blue collar neighborhoods into criminally patrolled barrios held down by street gangs that sling dope and "put in work" on the law abiding members of society and each other.
In some places, the breakdown of the social order is so complete that prison gangs control the street gangs ordering them to literally hunt other races and murder them. I kid you not.
As a result, in large portions of the Southwest United States today, gone are the civil communities that once existed and the American dream. In their place are sprawling dangerous barrios held down by criminal gangs and a new La Raza racism which preaches a seditious policy of reconquesta based upon a false history and logic.
The judicial and social safety nets are stretched to the breaking point, the governments in debt, the public education system (often despite 40% of the entire state budget and the proceeds of the lottery being allocated to it) have failed and are producing sub standard graduates. In CA, just as an example, public education fell from first in the nation to third from the bottom.
The U.S. has been partially transformed into the dysfunctional places they sought to escape from rather than them being transformed into the America they entered... an America which was a great forward-thinking, homogenous, safe, and educationally challenging one to grow up in... even right in Los Angeles County in those days.
As Teddy Roosevelt once said:
"We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American.
There can be no divided allegiance here. We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people."
-Teddy Roosevelt.
Why should anyone care you said if they are a Christian? I can give you about a thousand reasons and 999 of them will be straight from the Bible.
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Do you not believe that GOD inspired every word of the BIBLE? Do you not believe in being obedient to GOD's Word?
Patriotism is the WILL OF GOD:
Genesis 21:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Swear to me by God here and now, that you will not break an agreement with me or with my children and descendants. As I have been loyal to you, so you will be loyal to me and to the country where you are a foreign
resident.”
1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men-
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. Romans 13:1-7 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
[SUP]4[/SUP]For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
[SUP]6[/SUP]This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
Matthew 22:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They said to Him, "Caesar's." And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
GOD always comes FIRST, but GOD expects us to be Patriotic to the Country that we dwell in. AND we are to render service (including Military Service), taxes, and Honor to our governments. We are stuck with lousy politicians ONLY because in this Nation, not enough Christians BOTHERED to Honor their Country by casting their VOTES
I Love GOD first, and I Love my Country, even if I totally disagree with a lot of Politicians. WHY DON'T YOU?
THIS Picture is to help spark Patriotism in you:
Patriotism is the WILL OF GOD:
Genesis 21:23 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Swear to me by God here and now, that you will not break an agreement with me or with my children and descendants. As I have been loyal to you, so you will be loyal to me and to the country where you are a foreign
resident.”
1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP]or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men-
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. Romans 13:1-7 (NIV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you.
[SUP]4[/SUP]For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
[SUP]6[/SUP]This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing.
Matthew 22:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They said to Him, "Caesar's." And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
GOD always comes FIRST, but GOD expects us to be Patriotic to the Country that we dwell in. AND we are to render service (including Military Service), taxes, and Honor to our governments. We are stuck with lousy politicians ONLY because in this Nation, not enough Christians BOTHERED to Honor their Country by casting their VOTES
I Love GOD first, and I Love my Country, even if I totally disagree with a lot of Politicians. WHY DON'T YOU?
THIS Picture is to help spark Patriotism in you:
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NO, what I was saying is GOD has historically called upon armies to utterly destroy a pagan Nation when HE is fed up with there paganism or evil. I absolutely believe the USA, Britain, France, and other Nations involved were called upon by GOD to utterly destroy the Nazis in World War II, and the Japanese Forces of the Emperor who had pronounced himself to be a god.
NO SOLDIER, commits murder when he fires on an enemy in the line of duty, because he or she is acting as an arm of Government, and not acting out of personal conduct. GOD's rules for personal conduct are NOT God's rules for Governmental Conduct.
Romans 13:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
NO SOLDIER, commits murder when he fires on an enemy in the line of duty, because he or she is acting as an arm of Government, and not acting out of personal conduct. GOD's rules for personal conduct are NOT God's rules for Governmental Conduct.
Romans 13:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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Leviticus 19:33-34
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Exodus 22:21
“You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt
Hebrews 13:2
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares
Isaiah 16:3-4
“Give counsel; grant justice; make your shade like night at the height of noon; shelter the outcasts; do not reveal the fugitive; let the outcasts of Moab sojourn among you; be a shelter to them from the destroyer. When the oppressor is no more, and destruction has ceased, and he who tramples underfoot has vanished from the land.
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Exodus 22:21
“You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt
Hebrews 13:2
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares
Isaiah 16:3-4
“Give counsel; grant justice; make your shade like night at the height of noon; shelter the outcasts; do not reveal the fugitive; let the outcasts of Moab sojourn among you; be a shelter to them from the destroyer. When the oppressor is no more, and destruction has ceased, and he who tramples underfoot has vanished from the land.