IMMORTALITY IN THE WILDERNESS. THE AIM FOR JESUS TEMPTATION

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Me either,,, indeed your probably right about the confusion,, and of coarse I always forgive others,, it's my nature...

No not my blood is boiling,, I do apologize if I was harsh,, though I know things I know because I know...
Oh you mean her blood boils? I hope not. I thought Ms. Lauren actually brought some very good points to the discussion excepting for the personal attacks.
 

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Heh such is the way of conversation, everyone has to be free to express themselves or elsewise we're really just talking to ourselves.

I thought the subject was when Jesus was immortal, whether it be before the baptism or after, before the temptation or after, before the resurrection or after, before the beginning of time, or after the end of it. I could be wrong though.
I reread the OP and seems you are correct. But Jesus was "immortal or eternal" way before that. Like "In the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" (John 1:1).
 
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I reread the OP and seems you are correct. But Jesus was "immortal or eternal" way before that. Like "In the begining was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" (John 1:1).
Yes that is a good quote indeed and was what I was referring to in one of the prior posts.
 
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Our understanding od God's word differs, but I have kept quiet to see people response. the priest conspired and killed Jesus because His teaching was unacceptable to them.

I stand to be challenged. Matthew 2:13 Said an Angel told Joseph to flee the city with the baby Jesus because Herod wanted Him dead. If truly you have adequate understanding; why will an Angel ask Joseph to runaway with an immortal child.

we all know that where there's no sin, there can't be death.
 
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My favorite verse in the Bible.
It is certainly an excellent verse.

There are so many good ones it is hard to find just one!

I suppose like pokemon we gotta catch em all.

2 Timothy 3:16

[SUP]16 [/SUP]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
 
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Our understanding od God's word differs, but I have kept quiet to see people response. the priest conspired and killed Jesus because His teaching was unacceptable to them.

I stand to be challenged. Matthew 2:13 Said an Angel told Joseph to flee the city with the baby Jesus because Herod wanted Him dead. If truly you have adequate understanding; why will an Angel ask Joseph to runaway with an immortal child.

we all know that where there's no sin, there can't be death.
Well if Jesus escaped from the jealousy of Herod and his persecution then it would seem he escaped from that death and also that those verses fulfilled said by Jeremiah the great prophet of God; Rachel weeping for her children and would not be comforted.
 
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Well if Jesus escaped from the jealousy of Herod and his persecution then it would seem he escaped from that death and also that those verses fulfilled said by Jeremiah the great prophet of God; Rachel weeping for her children and would not be comforted.
Also to add (sorry ran out of time): How much moreso then it could be said Jesus immortal if God sending an angel delivered him out of the jealousy of Herod just as Jesus immortal for God raising him up from the dead after the crucifixion!
 
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Oh you mean her blood boils? I hope not. I thought Ms. Lauren actually brought some very good points to the discussion excepting for the personal attacks.
Yes I'd agree too, though I don't know how the sin nature statements came to be, maybe because the OP didn't quite say it just perfect, I read between the lines and got what was said..

You know in life generally some folks, if you don't say it just like they think it or would like it to be said. then the red flags start popping up in their heads... been there done that I'm sure.. lol... Life is a work in progress...
 
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John was the 'only legitimate Priest, all of the others were 'corrupt', so, this is a
'transference' from the Levitical Priesthood to the Melchisedec,
as it is written, 'He was tempted in all points'...
 
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Yes I'd agree too, though I don't know how the sin nature statements came to be, maybe because the OP didn't quite say it just perfect, I read between the lines and got what was said..

You know in life generally some folks, if you don't say it just like they think it or would like it to be said. then the red flags start popping up in their heads... been there done that I'm sure.. lol... Life is a work in progress...
Perhaps something to do with the flesh?

I know what you mean and it is true of some people, but let us not try to seek a fault with her for she had good points to the discussion at hand, and in those points pertaining to the discussion she seemed to me to be quite right.
 
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Our understanding od God's word differs, but I have kept quiet to see people response. the priest conspired and killed Jesus because His teaching was unacceptable to them.

I stand to be challenged. Matthew 2:13 Said an Angel told Joseph to flee the city with the baby Jesus because Herod wanted Him dead. If truly you have adequate understanding; why will an Angel ask Joseph to runaway with an immortal child.

we all know that where there's no sin, there can't be death.
That's a interesting observation, here's my take on it,, Jesus purpose in the physical was to insure a path for us mortals to redemption,.. Yes you could say he was protected until that hour was to be.. But that is the only reason why to complete that which took place on the cross..

The ones who took him to the cliff and wanted to throw him off that cliff yet he didn't get thrown off,, because his hour had not Come to be yet.. Jesus wasn't sent to live a long life in his first coming, no it was just for a season, a Moment in time to complete a purpose thus He said it is finish..
 

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Our understanding od God's word differs, but I have kept quiet to see people response. the priest conspired and killed Jesus because His teaching was unacceptable to them.

I stand to be challenged. Matthew 2:13 Said an Angel told Joseph to flee the city with the baby Jesus because Herod wanted Him dead. If truly you have adequate understanding; why will an Angel ask Joseph to runaway with an immortal child.

we all know that where there's no sin, there can't be death.
So if Jesus wasnt "immortal" at this time then how do you answer the verse i quoted a few posts ago John 1:1. If Jesus was not immortal at this time then it also means He wasnt eternal. Which then means Jesus did not exist until God "planted" Him inside Mary.
 
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So if Jesus wasnt "immortal" at this time then how do you answer the verse i quoted a few posts ago John 1:1. If Jesus was not immortal at this time then it also means He wasnt eternal. Which then means Jesus did not exist until God "planted" Him inside Mary.
If I might be so bold to answer that very good point. Could one say Jesus was immortal as being the Word, but perhaps his body was not until it was planted into the ground like the seed and raised incorruptible? (Going along the lines of Paul's mystery).
 
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John was the 'only legitimate Priest, all of the others were 'corrupt', so, this is a
'transference' from the Levitical Priesthood to the Melchisedec,
as it is written, 'He was tempted in all points'...
Indeed he was the only one with a name, like John the Baptist of coarse,, though if I remember the disciples went to Jesus sort of complaining about some other folks doing miracles in His name, and Jesus said those who are with us are and those who are against us are,, something along those lines...
 
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Our understanding od God's word differs, but I have kept quiet to see people response. the priest conspired and killed Jesus because His teaching was unacceptable to them.

I stand to be challenged. Matthew 2:13 Said an Angel told Joseph to flee the city with the baby Jesus because Herod wanted Him dead. If truly you have adequate understanding; why will an Angel ask Joseph to runaway with an immortal child.

we all know that where there's no sin, there can't be death.
Jesus never committed any sin, He is the God Almighty the creator. His coming was through a birth from Mary and you think He never carry anything from her?

I have questions for anyone who believes my post is heresy. Why was Jesus being God tempted? James 1:13. Why is an immortal child taken to Egypt to protect Him from a king who wanted to kill Him.
 

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Part of the problem with this argument is that you cannot base a theology or doctrine upon one verse. You must take the Bible as a whole. One verse can interpret another and give the answer.

Now if we are just talking about Jesus physical body that may be something else to consider. So are we talking about the physical body or Jesus on a whole?
 

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Jesus never committed any sin, He is the God Almighty the creator. His coming was through a birth from Mary and you think He never carry anything from her?

I have questions for anyone who believes my post is heresy. Why was Jesus being God tempted? James 1:13. Why is an immortal child taken to Egypt to protect Him from a king who wanted to kill Him.
Ok a question for you then so i can understand where you are coming from. I am not asking this in a mean way so please undetstand that.

Do you believe Jesus is God in the second personification of the trinity? And on that thought do you believe Jesus "existed" before the immaculate conception?
 
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Ok a question for you then so i can understand where you are coming from. I am not asking this in a mean way so please undetstand that.

Do you believe Jesus is God in the second personification of the trinity? And on that thought do you believe Jesus "existed" before the immaculate conception?
Read my post. (TRINITY TRUE OR FALSE ). I wrote and said there is no Trinity. Jesus is God Almighty. He is the creator but that is mysteries for the matured.

ISAIAH 7:14 . He said there is going to be a time when Jesus will know enough to choose the good against the evil. A Man the know no sin will never be thought on how to choose evil against the good.
 
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sorry, I mean to say choose the good against the evil