IMMORTALITY IN THE WILDERNESS. THE AIM FOR JESUS TEMPTATION

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Jesus usual saying, 'THE SON OF MAN' Is just another way of leting the people know He is also liable to what they are liable to

There is more to this but I don't want to get people offended. Jesus became immortal as a
man after the temptation but He refuse to let the people know.

If anyone ask me why, I will tell you
 
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hastrup said:
Jesus usual saying, 'THE SON OF MAN' Is just another way of leting the people know He is also liable to what they are liable to

There is more to this but I don't want to get people offended. Jesus became immortal as a
man after the temptation but He refuse to let the people know.

If anyone ask me why, I will tell you
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If they know He is immortal, they will not want to kill Him. It make no sense trying to kill an immortal Man.

Several times they pick up stones to stone Him to death but He pasted through their midst and escaped. That's an Immortal man indeed. They have to pay someone who will identify Him among His diciples. When He was the most popular and sought out Man in His days.

That's immortality at work. He was avoiding them just to conceal His immortality from rhem.
 
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Ok i read most of your other thread comments. From what you had said on the trinity thread i cannot argue this point with you. The reason is because you do not believe in the trinity. If you do not understand the Godhead as it is revealed in Scripture you will not understand my arguments.

Did you read the information that "oldhermit" sent you? Begin there then we can discuss this once you understand the trinity.
 
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hastrup said:
Jesus usual saying, 'THE SON OF MAN' Is just another way of leting the people know He is also liable to what they are liable to

There is more to this but I don't want to get people offended. Jesus became immortal as a
man after the temptation but He refuse to let the people know.

If anyone ask me why, I will tell you
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Sac49 said:
Ok i read most of your other thread comments. From what you had said on the trinity thread i cannot argue this point with you. The reason is because you do not believe in the trinity. If you do not understand the Godhead as it is revealed in Scripture you will not understand my arguments.

Did you read the information that "oldhermit" sent you? Begin there then we can discuss this once you understand the trinity.
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You go bacck and please read all my comments and pencil down places where I have missed it. The only way you can discribe God's looks is through the Man or Don't you believed the Man is created in God's own image?. Your Spirit, Soul and body is never two but one.

I wrote a book on this but unfortunately I have no sponsors for my book. I desire to self publish to make it afordable to all
 
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I'm not too sure Hastrup has an understanding of what the word, "Immortality", really means.
 
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I'm not too sure Hastrup has an understanding of what the word, "Immortality", really means.
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Good if you say I don't understand the true meaning of immortality. But what I do understand is this ; Adam was once immortal but he lost his immortality to disobedience and Jesus who is God wears mortality when He took the flesh.

He also lost mortality to obedience in the wilderness now becoming the second Adam. The disobedience of one man brought sin and death. The obedience of another erase sin and death. Please how will I speak the language you will understand. Sir, do you believe the bible?
 
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Such a statement implies that Jesus, then, was never really tempted as we are. You are saying that He could NOT have sinned anyway, so basically He was operating in a "rigged" game that He couldn't lose.

I don't think that aligns with the whole point of Him being born as a man..... fully capable of falling to any of the sins we are susceptible to.
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If you believe Jesus was actually tempted then Jesus sinned in His mind and thus Jesus sinned.. If i am tempted to do something sinfull then i have alread desired to do it in my mind.. Jesus said even if i look at a woman to lust over her then i have already comitted adultry with her in my heart.. So if i am tempted by a beautiful woman then i am already guilty of sin even if i resist turning that temptation into actual physical actions..

Of course Jesus could not lose.. And God having foreknowledge of all history means that the game is rigged and satan was defeated the moment he decided to rebell against God..

Of course we will all find out the actual truth of the Matter on the day of the reasurection.. We shall see .. :)
 
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Just some anti scripture anti Christian folks trying to mess with the believers...nothing to it.
 
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Willie-T said:
I'm not too sure Hastrup has an understanding of what the word, "Immortality", really means.
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Find answers to all this questions.
1) Why was Jesus being God tempted?
2) Why is He liable to die if He inherited no sinful flesh from His mother Mary?
3) why is He called the second Adam
4) what did ISAIAH mean in ISAIAH 7: 14-15
5) Why was He lead to be tempted immediately after God affirmed Him as His begotten son.
 
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Maybe I'm explaining it incorrectly, but I believe that the flesh that Jesus has is the same as what Adam had PRIOR to the fall. During that time, it wasn't tainted by sin.
 
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hastrup said:
Good if you say I don't understand the true meaning of immortality. But what I do understand is this ; Adam was once immortal but he lost his immortality to disobedience and Jesus who is God wears mortality when He took the flesh.

He also lost mortality to obedience in the wilderness now becoming the second Adam. The disobedience of one man brought sin and death. The obedience of another erase sin and death. Please how will I speak the language you will understand. Sir, do you believe the bible?
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Jesus is the WORD of God and was in the beginning with God and was God.. Therefore Jesus existed with God forever before the world was created and was destined to exist forever after the end of History.. Therefore if you teach that Jesus achieved immortality then you are saying that He never had immortality to begin with.. Clearly if one is a Christian one believes that God has immortality God will exist forever and never cease to exist.. If one is a Christian one believes that Jesus and God are One and therefore Jesus has always possessed the nature of Immortality..
 
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hastrup said:
Good if you say I don't understand the true meaning of immortality. But what I do understand is this ; Adam was once immortal but he lost his immortality to disobedience and Jesus who is God wears mortality when He took the flesh.

He also lost mortality to obedience in the wilderness now becoming the second Adam. The disobedience of one man brought sin and death. The obedience of another erase sin and death. Please how will I speak the language you will understand. Sir, do you believe the bible?
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The Bible plainly tells us that Adam was removed from the access to the Tree of Life, so that he would not have immortality.

God never said to him that He would kill him because he ate of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. He was telling him of the chain of circumstances that would be put in place with that disobedience.
 
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If you believe Jesus was actually tempted then Jesus sinned in His mind and thus Jesus sinned.. If i am tempted to do something sinfull then i have alread desired to do it in my mind.. Jesus said even if i look at a woman to lust over her then i have already comitted adultry with her in my heart.. So if i am tempted by a beautiful woman then i am already guilty of sin even if i resist turning that temptation into actual physical actions..

Of course Jesus could not lose.. And God having foreknowledge of all history means that the game is rigged and satan was defeated the moment he decided to rebell against God..

Of course we will all find out the actual truth of the Matter on the day of the reasurection.. We shall see .. :)
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Watchout for my next post. I will explain the true meaning of Christ temptation and the implications surpposing Jesus fails the temptation. I will explain what God is trying to achieve and how much of a sacrifice it was. I think is better I titled it; ' SUPPOSING JESUS FAILS THE DEVIL'S TEMPTATION.
 
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NotmebutHim said:
Maybe I'm explaining it incorrectly, but I believe that the flesh that Jesus has is the same as what Adam had PRIOR to the fall. During that time, it wasn't tainted by sin.
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Yes it wasn't tainted and Adam was immortal but Christ was mortal at birth. Remember they took Him away from Herod who wanted to kill Him. If you can be killed, there is no language to it you are definitely mortal and if you are mortal, for sure there is sin somewhere.

why will people think I'm against Christ. He is my Lord, my God and my maker. I am only discussing this topic because it is the only way we can find immortality following what Christ did.
 
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And as for Jesus being called the second Adam..

The Bible cannot be saying that Jesus had the same nature as Adam in all things.. Because Adam was a created being.. Adam started to exist when God created Him.. Jesus on the other hand being the WORD of God was in the begginging with God and was God.. Adam was a created human soul Jesus is God manifested in the flesh.. Adam had a start. Jesus has always been..

The Bible compares Adam and Jesus only to the extent of showing a Human being who failed compared to a Divine being who succeded..
 
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hastrup said:
You go bacck and please read all my comments and pencil down places where I have missed it. The only way you can discribe God's looks is through the Man or Don't you believed the Man is created in God's own image?. Your Spirit, Soul and body is never two but one.

I wrote a book on this but unfortunately I have no sponsors for my book. I desire to self publish to make it afordable to all
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Oh my goodnes that is basically the whole thing. You do not have an understanding of the trinity at all. You even state this as you do not believe in the trinity.

We could not even start by discussing the trinity. We would have to start with the attributes of God. By studying the attributes we can explain the trinity thru the attributes and how they relate to each person of the trinity.

Then we would have to study what the word immortal means in regaurds to the word eternal. How they differ and how the word immortal can be used in context in some places in the Bible but not in others when refering to Jesus.

It would all depend on how much you want to know the truth. Would you have an open mind or would you close it off?
 
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Oh my goodnes that is basically the whole thing. You do not have an understanding of the trinity at all. You even state this as you do not believe in the trinity.

We could not even start by discussing the trinity. We would have to start with the attributes of God. By studying the attributes we can explain the trinity thru the attributes and how they relate to each person of the trinity.

Then we would have to study what the word immortal means in regaurds to the word eternal. How they differ and how the word immortal can be used in context in some places in the Bible but not in others when refering to Jesus.

It would all depend on how much you want to know the truth. Would you have an open mind or would you close it off?
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John 14:7 Jesus told His disciples without mincing words that from now on, you have known the Father and have seen Him. He was surprised when Philip doubted Him.

He knew there human imagination can not carry that truth so He promised to send them a comforter, the HolySpirit ( the Mind of God) who will teach them all things. See rhis, Jesus the knowledge and power of God. can tour knowledge and power be separate from you. All the apostle never preached it
 
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The immortality I am talking about is that of the human flesh. God protected the tree of life because He knew if Adam can be fortunate to eat out of it, he will become immortal even as a sinner.

Do you know God created your Soul to last forever? The only mortal thing in us is our flesh. The death of the soul is the second death which will take place in hell and it will last forever. When I say Jesus attained immortality in the wilderness, I implies the immortality of His flesh. Jesus is the existence Himself so He was before allthings and all things existed of Him.

Get me now, Jesus attained immortality of the human flesh He wore.
 
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hastrup said:
The immortality I am talking about is that of the human flesh. God protected the tree of life because He knew if Adam can be fortunate to eat out of it, he will become immortal even as a sinner.

Do you know God created your Soul to last forever? The only mortal thing in us is our flesh. The death of the soul is the second death which will take place in hell and it will last forever. When I say Jesus attained immortality in the wilderness, I implies the immortality of His flesh. Jesus is the existence Himself so He was before allthings and all things existed of Him.

Get me now, Jesus attained immortality of the human flesh He wore.
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Well Jesus appeared to John in Revelaton chapter 1.. I would give it a good read and see what kind of body Jesus had and ask yourself did Jesus have the same flesh He had while he was on the earth? Of course not.. When we are raised from the dead and transformed into eternal beings will we have the same flesh we have now? No..
 
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