Importance of local church attendance in avoiding doctrinal error

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The fact that he has dedicated his whole life to the ministry, teaching from the very book you claim he does not believe, kind of proves you wrong straight out of the gate. I would call Charles Stanley a faithful servant. There are few enough of those as it is. Please do not besmirch his name with your baseless accusations.
Now listen to me... as Charles would say lol, I listened to him for years. I didn't besmirch him I brought up the statement of faith of his church. They believe the only inerrant scriptures are the original copies, those inerrant originals don't exist any more. I think it's pretty safe to say the church doesn't believe the inerrant word of God exist today.
 
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You need to define what you think inerrant means. Then make the poll you think is so telling of the Body of Christ and see what people say. Don't just assume.

Yes, I believe the KJV is a man-made translation, just the same as every other translation. Are they inspired by God? Sure. But English translations are just copies and interpretations from the Hebrew and Greek. Ultimately, it's not about the translation found on paper and in leather that determines what is pleasing to God. It's about someone learning from the Holy Spirit's inspiration, regardless of translation. I was saved in reading the NIV. I use the NASB today. And I can guarantee my relationship with God is just as strong as yours. I believe people in poverty-stricken countries can be saved and taught from 1 page of the Bible. (I even believe people can be saved through The Message!)

So if you're going to put your hope for accuracy and revelation on a man-made translation, whether KJV or NIV, at the expense of fellowship with the Body of Christ, go for it. I would rather be with the Saints of God learning together and sharing our lives together.
I've found that if you believe every word of the bible then God will show you great and mighty things. God has shown me those things and can never go back to "churchianity". My ministry is to show others what God has shown me... unfortunately I haven't found many people that want to know what I know.
 
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There are a whole lot of KJV only churches around. You could find one of those.

But if you are going to say the KJV is the inerrant, infallible Word of God.. as it is...

Wouldn't you then be saying that God re-inspired the Word of God?

There are churches like mine that do believe the KJV is the re-inspired Word of God.. but my issue with that.. is the original manuscripts were the inspired Word..

Why would God re-inspire His Word?
Yes I know there are KJV only churches but KJV only isn't the only qualification for being a good church... Peter Ruckman is a prime exapmle. Some people interpret the bible instead of reading it for what it is.

I don't really know what you mean by "re-inspired". Either God inspired the KJV translators or it's a work of men. Let me give you a couple of examples of why I believe the KJV was inspired by God.

In the KJV the serpent spoke exactly 46 words to Eve in the Garden. 46 is the number of chromosomes that hold human DNA. Jesus said destroy this temple and I will rebuild it in 3 days. The Pharisees said 46 years was this temple in building, but Jesus was talking about the 46 chromosome human body. Is it coincidence that it took 46 years to build the temple or did God make it take exactly 46 years to show that the real temple of God is the human body. Same with the number of words spoken to Eve in the garden. Did God inspire the KJV translators to use exactly 46 words or is it a coincidence.

Is it a coincidence that human DNA is contained in 46 chromosomes? Of course not, God designed it that way for a reason. 40 is the number of trail and temptation, 6 is the number of man. Forty and six speaks of the time of trials and tribulation of mankind.

Is it a coincidence that the KJV writers wrote forty and six rather than forty six? Of course not, God inspired them to write it that way to draw our attention to the number 40 and the number 6. You want get that from the modern translations nor from the original writings.

This pattern of numbers and sentence structure is found all through the KJV even in the chapter and verse sturcture... Again is it coincidence or did God inspire the translators to write exactly what He wanted written. I believe it was God, in fact I don't think man would even be capable of doing it if they tried.
 
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One last post to you and you're on iggie again.

In order to believe Armstrongism, you have to believe in an ignorant limited god. His god created the angels to populate earth. This plan failed so his god created mankind as plan B.

Armstrong did not worship the true God who knows the end from the beginning. His god was the open theist god who is a dunce..not the Sovereign Lord. Isaiah 46:10 says clearly that the Sovereign Lord knows the end from the beginning.

If you want to believe in dunce gods like Herbert Armstrong's go ahead...I will believe in the Sovereign Lord. The Sovereign Lord knows all things including the future in exhaustive detail.

If anyone doubts this is what Armstrong taught, read Mystery of the Ages or Incredible Human Potential.

 
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One last post to you and you're on iggie again.
so hear again in thread, you post slander and lies, then I post the truth in reply,
then you come back with more slander, then now again I post the truth to the story,
then you go on about more slander and accusations about [your] former church.



lets see what the bible says about the fruits of the spirit that [you] are showing

12Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins.




18He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.

13A talebearer revealeth secrets: but he that is of a faithful spirit concealeth the matter.

27An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is as a burning fire.

15Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving
is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

10For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil,
and his lips that they speak no guile:

8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion,
and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending
with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring
against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

10But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they
know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength,
and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:
for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
He was a murderer from the beginning,

and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.



Christ was slandered also

12Deliver me not over unto the will of mine enemies: for false witnesses
are risen up against me, and such as breathe out cruelty.

11False witnesses did rise up; they laid to my charge things that I knew not.

19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous,
and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

52Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead,
and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

20And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
21Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil.
Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

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20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord.
If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying,
they will keep yours also.

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you,
and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.


Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn
from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
 
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