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Are you 'In Christ'

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 92.9%
  • No

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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Laodicea

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#21
The three sets of feasts show us Christ. They represent the three steps (or stations or callings) of the Christian walk. The first step is Passover, representing Salvation. The second step is Pentecost, representing the in-filling of the Holy Breath (Holy Ghost). The third step is Tabernacles representing Sonship – being transformed into the image of the Son of God.

Another way to look at these feasts is in our relationship with Christ. The first step, Passover/Salvation, is to become a part of the Body of Christ, the church. The second step, Pentecost/Breath, is to become a part of the Bride of Christ (when Adam needed a bride, God formed one out of his body). Not all who join the body/church will become a part of the Bride. This is a personal choice we make about how close we wish to come in our relationship with the Messiah. The third step is sonship/Tabernacles. Jesus was born sometime during the Feast of Tabernacles (which is why there was no room at the inn). The bride comes out of the body and the son comes out of the bride.

The Jews only knew the first two steps. They were in covenant with God (His body) and they were inspired by the infilling of the Holy Breath (Ruach Quodesh) but they could not understand the third step until the coming of the Son, Meshiach.

David sang: “Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” David understood the first two steps.

Paul uses the words, Called, Sanctified and Glorified – the three steps in the Christian’s earthly walk. Some are Called and join the church, the Body of Christ. Some in the church are Sanctified and come out of the church to be part of the bride, but still a part of the body. Some feel the calling and are Glorified, become transformed into the image of the Son. Paul confessed that he was still striving to the prize of the High Calling – Glorified.

Jesus says “Ask and it shall be given you, Seek and you shall find, Knock and it shall be opened to you”, three steps, three feasts. God speaks to us dumb humans in parables and pictures and riddles. All we can do is be open to His calling.
Yes the feasts do point to Christ and it is good to understand them and what they teach about Christ.
 

Jon4TheCross

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Oct 19, 2012
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#22
Yes I am in Christ Jesus (I am made of a measure of the heart,soul,mind,and strength found in the Spirit of God/Christ Jesus/Light/Love etc.)
I am found in Him (In His attitudes,actions,thoughts, words,etc.)
All I can be without Jesus/God/Light/Love etc., is a dead man with dead works and a dead future.
The annointing overflowing should definitely be our focus, cause nothing but God can get in when our vessel is overflowing from the inside to the out. I see the following passage as a good example of what it means to be in Christ, cauhe even Jesus was in Christ, is the Christ, and is still in the Christ.




Luk 4:17
And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
Luk 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
Luk 4:22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?
Luk 4:23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
Luk 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.
Luk 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Luk 4:28 And all they in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
Luk 4:29 And rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
Luk 4:30 But he passing through the midst of them went his way,
Luk 4:31 And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days.
Luk 4:32 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for his word was with power.
 
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psychomom

Guest
#23
Not all who join the body/church will become a part of the Bride.
This is a thought I have never seen expressed...
can you please give scripture to support it?

Thanks,
ellie
 

zone

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Jun 13, 2010
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#24
The three sets of feasts show us Christ. They represent the three steps (or stations or callings) of the Christian walk. The first step is Passover, representing Salvation. The second step is Pentecost, representing the in-filling of the Holy Breath (Holy Ghost). The third step is Tabernacles representing Sonship – being transformed into the image of the Son of God.

Another way to look at these feasts is in our relationship with Christ. The first step, Passover/Salvation, is to become a part of the Body of Christ, the church. The second step, Pentecost/Breath, is to become a part of the Bride of Christ (when Adam needed a bride, God formed one out of his body). Not all who join the body/church will become a part of the Bride. This is a personal choice we make about how close we wish to come in our relationship with the Messiah. The third step is sonship/Tabernacles. Jesus was born sometime during the Feast of Tabernacles (which is why there was no room at the inn). The bride comes out of the body and the son comes out of the bride.

The Jews only knew the first two steps. They were in covenant with God (His body) and they were inspired by the infilling of the Holy Breath (Ruach Quodesh) but they could not understand the third step until the coming of the Son, Meshiach.

David sang: “Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.” David understood the first two steps.

Paul uses the words, Called, Sanctified and Glorified – the three steps in the Christian’s earthly walk. Some are Called and join the church, the Body of Christ. Some in the church are Sanctified and come out of the church to be part of the bride, but still a part of the body. Some feel the calling and are Glorified, become transformed into the image of the Son. Paul confessed that he was still striving to the prize of the High Calling – Glorified.

Jesus says “Ask and it shall be given you, Seek and you shall find, Knock and it shall be opened to you”, three steps, three feasts. God speaks to us dumb humans in parables and pictures and riddles. All we can do is be open to His calling.
this seems to be a brand of the Manifest Sons of God/Kingdom Now doctrine.
the "Davidic into Solomonic / Sonship Tabernacles" teachings. a popular version of postmillenialism/restorationism.

is this correct?
from which school are you coming?
ty
zone.
 
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enochson

Guest
#25
What does it mean to be in Christ? How does a person know if they are in Christ? Do you believe you are in Christ?
It has nothing to do with you or anything that you do it's about christ and what he did and that was to take the creation into himself and cover it with his blood "IN CHRIST GET IT?"
 
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See_KING_Truth

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#26
Let's take a look at what Jesus said:

John 15

King James Version (KJV)
4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.


In my opinion, based on what Jesus says here, being "in Christ" is putting our complete faith in Christ, doing as He commanded us and continuing in His love.

A believer who is "in Christ" will bear much fruit as Jesus says in verse 5.

I believe that I am in Christ and that Christ is in me.
 
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cfultz3

Guest
#28
I am curious as to how people would answer this question?
Are you asking if we could fall in and out of Christ daily?

or

If one can loose salvation?

or

?
 
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Laodicea

Guest
#29
Are you asking if we could fall in and out of Christ daily?

or

If one can loose salvation?

or

?
Can we be in Christ one day and not in Him the next?
 
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See_KING_Truth

Guest
#30
I'd say yes to answer that question, but explaining my reasoning wouldn't be so simple...
 

crossnote

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Nov 24, 2012
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#31
Paul stated this to the carnal Corinthians...
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
(1Co 1:30)
See, it is a fact and it is done by Someone other than us.
 
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Laodicea

Guest
#32
:)1 John 2:3-4 KJV
(3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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cfultz3

Guest
#33
Can we be in Christ one day and not in Him the next?
I suppose that question would be answered if you would be willing to explain what you mean when someone asks you what you mean.
 
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Laodicea

Guest
#34
I suppose that question would be answered if you would be willing to explain what you mean when someone asks you what you mean.
To be in Christ means we walk with Him. Can we walk with God today and not walk with Him tomorrow? By not walking with Him how could we have salvation?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#35
To be in Christ means we walk with Him. Can we walk with God today and not walk with Him tomorrow? By not walking with Him how could we have salvation?

This makes no sense. Scripture says we can only walk with God if we have been born again. And if we have been born again, we will never die again. Nor will be condemned, but we have passed from deat to life.

So how can we be born again one day (proved by the fact we can actually walk with God) , And die the next? then what? do we become born again again??
How many times does one have to be born again before they actually have eternal life in which they will never die?
 
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cfultz3

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#36
To be in Christ means we walk with Him. Can we walk with God today and not walk with Him tomorrow? By not walking with Him how could we have salvation?
I think one has freewill and could choose to not continue in Christ, inasmuch he had freewill to have chosen to had hearkened to God in the first place.

But of the one who is double-minded and play the game of repentance like a yo-yo, I cannot see where one can walk in and then walk out repentedly, seeing that one's faith is not faith at all. Also seeing that many think they have everlasting life, but live a lawless life.
 
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Laodicea

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#37

This makes no sense. Scripture says we can only walk with God if we have been born again. And if we have been born again, we will never die again. Nor will be condemned, but we have passed from deat to life.

So how can we be born again one day (proved by the fact we can actually walk with God) , And die the next? then what? do we become born again again??
How many times does one have to be born again before they actually have eternal life in which they will never die?

What if a person is walking with God then chooses to not walk with God anymore?
John 6:66-67 KJV
(66) From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
(67) Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

Notice that they walked with Christ but, when the testing truths came they walked no more with Christ


 
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eternally-gratefull

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#38
What if a person is walking with God then chooses to not walk with God anymore?
John 6:66-67 KJV
(66) From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
(67) Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

Notice that they walked with Christ but, when the testing truths came they walked no more with Christ


why did you not post what jesus said about them?

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”[i]

Many walk in the church claiming to walk with God and Jesus, but they do not believe. If one never believed they were never saved.
 
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#39
I think one has freewill and could choose to not continue in Christ, inasmuch he had freewill to have chosen to had hearkened to God in the first place.

But of the one who is double-minded and play the game of repentance like a yo-yo, I cannot see where one can walk in and then walk out repentedly, seeing that one's faith is not faith at all. Also seeing that many think they have everlasting life, but live a lawless life.
Chris, how many times have you been saved?
Who are these that are in Christ and continue to walk in darkness?
I don't know one.
I realize their are plenty that repeated the sinner's prayer, and continued to walk in disobedience.
But an one who - "called upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ with their whole heart, repenting ....";
I know not one.
 
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cfultz3

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#40
Chris, how many times have you been saved? -- that has nothing to do with one's freewill to forsake salvation.
Who are these that are in Christ and continue to walk in darkness? --none
I don't know one. -- me either
I realize their are plenty that repeated the sinner's prayer, and continued to walk in disobedience.
But an one who - "called upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ with their whole heart, repenting ....";
I know not one. -- but the choice is still there. Has one become a robot once they have decided to follow Christ?