In Christ

[RickShafer]

God draws you.
You do not draw yourself.
Any man/woman who thinks their right standing with God is
something they are accomplishing is walking in pride.
Just as those who claim salvation by repeating a prayer,....or going to a house of worship makes them saved.
The "called according to His Glory" are not robots, ........they are servants.

 

[cfultz3]

God draws you. --yes
You do not draw yourself. --will He force the soul to turn to Him?
Any man/woman who thinks their right standing with God is
something they are accomplishing is walking in pride. -- yes
Just as those who claim salvation by repeating a prayer,....or going to a house of worship makes them saved. --yes
The "called according to His Glory" are not robots, ........they are servants. -- indeed, servants with a willing heart

..........

 

[RickShafer]

Who makes the heart willing?
You or God?
Who named the animals? - Adam.
Who gave Adam the right to name the animals(which He created)? -
God.
Who hardened the heart of Pharaoh? - God. - Ex. 7:3;7:13;7:14.

 

[cfultz3]

Who makes the heart willing? -- a contrite heart which is hearing the Voice of God to repent.
You or God? -- the answer to this is: Does God force His Lordship on one or is one lead to a contrite heart? I say that God is the One who leads one into repentance but not forcefully.
Who named the animals? - Adam. ?????
Who gave Adam the right to name the animals(which He created)? -
God. ?????
Who hardened the heart of Pharaoh? - God. - Ex. 7:3;7:13;7:14. --Why did He hardened his heart, because He foreknew he would not relent or did God pre-determined him doomed without a change to repent?

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[RickShafer]

Who makes the heart willing? - you said - "a contrite heart which is hearing the Voice of God to repent."

What?
Did you say - 'a contrite heart which is hearing the Voice of God to repent.' makes you willing?
Who makes the heart contrite?
\You seem to be saying WE do.

 

[cfultz3]

Who makes the heart willing? -you said - "a contrite heart which is hearing the Voice of God to repent."

What?
Did you say - 'a contrite heart which is hearing the Voice of God to repent.' makes you willing?
Who makes the heart contrite?
\You seem to be saying WE do.

Whose heart is it? Who is the one who hearkens to God?

Dare I say, whose soul is it? Is it not the soul which listens to the flesh or to the spirit? Which one does the Spirit speak to? If it is then the spirit who the Spirit speaks to, then it is the soul through his spirit which hearkens willfully to God's Spriit? Am I wrong to say that a rebellious soul must be led to a contrite heart by the Spirit so that that soul can repent? What sort of rependance is it that comes from a soul who is forced to repent? Is there but one verse which says that we are forced to choice God over flesh? Are we not given the same will Jesus Himself had when He said, 'not my will, but your will'.

 

[cfultz3]

what of the souls who do not hearken to the Spirit to turn around and face the Light? Have they not made the decision not to turn around?

 

[RickShafer]

Am I wrong to say that a rebellious soul must be led to a contrite heart by the Spirit so that that soul can repent?
No, you are right. - That is what I said.
What sort of repentance is it that comes from a soul who is forced to repent?
It would be an robot.
I was hoping you'd take up with the heart of the Pharaoh, because there is much to be learned from God's dealings with him.

 

[cfultz3]

Am I wrong to say that a rebellious soul must be led to a contrite heart by the Spirit so that that soul can repent?
No, you are right. - That is what I said.
What sort of repentance is it that comes from a soul who is forced to repent?
It would be an robot.
I was hoping you'd take up with the heart of the Pharaoh, because there is much to be learned from God's dealings with him.

Perhaps you could bring up the heart of Pharaoh?

 

[RickShafer]

Who makes the heart willing?
You or God?
Who named the animals? - Adam.
Who gave Adam the right to name the animals(which He created)? -
God.
Who hardened the heart of Pharaoh? - God. - Ex. 7:3;7:13;7:14.

Chris, my computer is running slow.
Could you post the seventh chapter of Exodus and the beginning of the third chapter of the same book?
(And please, insert your thoughts)

 

[cfultz3]

Chris, my computer is running slow.
Could you post the seventh chapter of Exodus and the beginning of the third chapter of the same book?
(And please, insert your thoughts)

I do not know what you are looking for, so I will wait for you lead.

 

[RickShafer]

'and Pharaoh said - "WHO IS THIS LORD". - EXODUS 5:2
Then go onto EXODUS chapter seven.
And the prophecy of Israel returning to the land God promised Abraham.
A lot of things going on there I know but; see how God hardened a man's heart to bring His will to pass?

 

[cfultz3]

'and Pharaoh said - "WHO IS THIS LORD". - EXODUS 5:2
Then go onto EXODUS chapter seven.
And the prophecy of Israel returning to the land God promised Abraham.
A lot of things going on there I know but; see how God hardened a man's heart to bring His will to pass?

That would be interesting to talk about. Cannot wait until you post it with how you see it. When do you thnk you can have it posted?

 

[RickShafer]

I will start a thread as soon as I can.
It will be an exploration of God's perfect will verses man's free will.
With everyone welcome to join in.
It will center on the kings: of Israel and other countries in the O.T.
Because those are who are written about most under the previous covenant.

 

[cfultz3]

I will start a thread as soon as I can.
It will be an exploration of God's perfect will verses man's free will.
With everyone welcome to join in.
It will center on the kings: of Israel and other countries in the O.T.
Because those are who are written about most under the previous covenant.

count me in

 

[Laodicea]

Romans 3:23-25 KJV
(23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
(24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
(25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

To have redemption we have to choose to be in Christ, to walk in Christ daily. We can be in Christ but if we are not daily walking in Christ how can we continue to have redemption?
John 8:12 KJV
(12) Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Walking requires movement. So if we are to walk in the light and follow Jesus then we need to be moving with Jesus. We need to be growing. If we are walking in the light and stop moving then we will end up in darkness and no longer be in Christ.

 

[Laodicea]

Romans 8:1-4 KJV
(1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(2) For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
(3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
(4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

If we are in Christ we will walk after the Spirit, and the things of the Spirit.

 

[Tommy4Christ]

To be IN Christ, is much more than a simple belief, as even the demons believe and tremble!

Believing in Jesus!​

“But in every nation whoever fears HIM and works Righteousness is accepted by Him!” Acts10:35​

Is it enough that we all ‘believe’ in Jesus and are one big happy family? Regardless of doctrine our unity is in Christ and our final destination is the same. That is the mind-set of the vast majority of Professing Christians inside the System. It’s a Universal aspect that includes all faiths and creeds under one umbrella. Although people can still pick and choose their particular flavor of ‘Christianity’ and believe that it’s the best. However if someone has ‘accepted’ Christ they are without question part of the family of God.

Many people in this System appear godly and do many good works. Which makes it very difficult to cast any dispersion on them because their charitable deeds speak volumes in human compassion? But what about the Message? AND the Doctrine behind the message! You can minister to the needy (and feel good doing it) but if they remain Lost in their Sins, what have you done? Certainly it’s easy to ignore the issue of Real Repentance and Faith in favor of sympathy and to ‘believe’ that you have put them on the right path by repeating some words. But the hypocrisy is glaring. Everyone is ‘Saved’ in their Sins and very few even recognize it as a Problem.

Sound Doctrine Must produce a Sound Mind that has DEPARTED from Iniquity. The good Deeds of today are tainted by ‘workers’ of iniquity. YES, they do Many wonderful things in Jesus Name! (Matt7:21-23) But it’s all for naught because the Message has Nothing to do with Rescuing people from the Corrupting influence of Sin. Christ brought us the Doctrine in accord with godliness that produces Purity, Sincerity and Love. (1Tim6:3, 2:5) He Never told Men that ‘No one is Perfect’ or that sin was inevitable because they were all born with a corrupted Nature inherited from Adam. (Men INVENTED that Fallacy!) He instructed us to Obey His Teaching, Follow His example and uphold the Moral Law of God by our Free Will Choice to Stop Sinning and experience the New Birth.

What is Sound Doctrine? Scripture CLEARLY tells us what is Contrary to it. (1Tim1:9-11) The exact Same behavior listed in 1Cor6:9-10 that will Disqualify you from the Kingdom is also listed in the Timothy passage.
Therefore HOW can a Person doing these things be Saved as all the Church Pastors claim? In Truth, they CAN’T.
Sound Doctrine inline with the wholesome Words of Christ teaches godliness and self-control. It Matters What you Believe! These are Not arbitrary guidelines given as suggestions for positive living. They are the Words of LIFE from which you Reap what you Sow. If your Doctrines produce a Complacent attitude in the so-called Converts and a lax understanding of Sin, it will put you on the Wrong Path right from the start. You may have Religion with a ‘form’ of godliness but inside you are full of guile and duplicity groping in the Dark.

The Good Doctrine (1Tim4:6) is followed and obeyed by all True Converts to Christ, without dispute. They give themselves entirely to the promotion and defense of Sound Teaching (1Tim4:15-16) and progress accordingly. Discernment is Sharp and the spirit of error is exposed. Such things as a Moral Transfer of Christ’s Righteousness, Substitution and sin forgiven in advance are far fetched fallacies even when presented as devious Bible Doctrine, laced with Scriptural terminology. True Converts can Pull Down the Stronghold of lies and half truths and bring the Vain imaginations of men into the Light of Truth! (2Cor10:4-5) The Spirit of truth is ALWAYS at odds with the spirit of error. NO ONE with a Good Eye, full of the Light of God can sit silently under the great swelling words of emptiness that promise people Liberty in their sins, and do Nothing to oppose it.

The Teaching of Christ Do Not Support a Collective fellowship over a wide cross section of beliefs. The introduction of the Gospel into the world was exclusive from the Start. Good and Evil were in sharp contrast.
Sound Preaching was always based on the foundation of Repentance and Faith PROVEN by Deeds. You Cannot have an Army of weak kneed, smooth talking sycophants flattering the people with candy coated lies that keep them in bondage to their sin, controlling the Pulpits. God’s armies are fire brands despised by the World and especially the religious Systems perverting the truth. They hate nothing but Sin and Fear no one but GOD!

A Departure of the Sound Doctrine of godliness has been an abject disaster in our society. People are absolutely destitute of the Truth! Following and Serving Christ is Much MORE than merely doing good works while the people ministered to remain mired in their sins. True Salvation is a Renewing of the Mind that occurs through Repentance and Faith PROVEN by Deeds. (Acts26:18) When the fundamental Message of the Gospel is lost in mass deception, Reconciliation to God becomes impossible. What replaces it is a ‘Formula’ method of Salvation that can include anyone who Believes! The Content of that belief is not important, only the belief itself. Therefore Sound Doctrine is up for grabs. The Professed Converts live according to their own imaginations oblivious to heart Purity and Obedience to the Truth. The Word of God suffers every sort of twisting and exploitation by the Smooth talking Preachers who promise Liberty in sin, while they sermonize on a form of godliness. www.standingthegap.org

“Many False Prophets have gone out into the World! This is the spirit of Anti-Christ. The spirit of error” 1Jh4