In your opinion do you believe world is about 6000 years old

cv5 · Jun 20, 2023

You are not a literalist....yet. Study diligently and you will be.

The problem is not the literal text.....it is the darkness and misapprehensions of those minds that are reading it.

Just to let you know, there are plenty of bogus unbelieving professors and hack pastors who literally have no idea of what God is saying.
Don't be one of them.....

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/

HeIsHere · Jun 20, 2023

blueluna5 said:

This is the assumption made that it was a world flood but the evidence for a local flood is just as compelling.

Wansvic · Jun 20, 2023

HeIsHere said:

It was a global flood according to the word of God:
"And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. 20 The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits4 deep. 21 And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, livestock, beasts, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on the dry land bin whose nostrils was the breath of life died. 23 He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens. They were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those who were with him in the ark." Gen. 7:19-23

Bob-Carabbio · Jun 20, 2023

Wansvic said:

Correction: THIS CREATION is about 6,000 years old according to God's Word, and since the Word translated "DAY" (Yowm) CAN MEAN any period of time from a day to an Eon, the inclusion of "evening and Morning" and Numbers (First day, etc) typically limits it to solar days.

Requiring Gen 1:2 to be at the SAME TIME as Gen 1:1, however is a "Theological ASSUMPTION" not based on biblical evidence.

"Without form and void" (Tohu, and Bohu) in every instance Biblically when they appear together are associated with a Destruction resulting from God's JUDGEMENT.

The bible states that God DID NOT create the world "without form and void" (Isa 45:18), so apparently, since that's the state it is in at Gen 1:2, there had been JUDGEMENT executed on it previously.

The_Watchers_2017 · Jun 20, 2023

Bob-Carabbio said:

23I saw the earth, and behold, it was void and unformed, and the heavens, and they had no light. כגרָאִ֙יתִי֙ אֶת־הָאָ֔רֶץ וְהִנֵּה־תֹ֖הוּ וָבֹ֑הוּ וְאֶל־הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ין אוֹרָֽם:24I saw the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, and all the hills moved to and fro. כדרָאִ֙יתִי֙ הֶֽהָרִ֔ים וְהִנֵּ֖ה רֹֽעֲשִׁ֑ים וְכָל־הַגְּבָע֖וֹת הִתְקַלְקָֽלוּ:25I saw, and behold, there were no people, and all the fowl of the heavens wandered away. כהרָאִ֕יתִי וְהִנֵּ֖ה אֵ֣ין הָֽאָדָ֑ם וְכָל־ע֥וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם נָדָֽדוּ:26I saw, and behold, the fruitful field became a desert, and all its cities were destroyed because of the Lord, because of His fierce anger. כורָאִ֕יתִי וְהִנֵּ֥ה הַכַּרְמֶ֖ל הַמִּדְבָּ֑ר וְכָל־עָרָ֗יו נִתְּצוּ֙ מִפְּנֵ֣י יְהֹוָ֔ה מִפְּנֵ֖י חֲר֥וֹן אַפּֽוֹ:27For so says the Lord: All the land shall be a desolation, but I will not make an end.

So, there's a Beginning somewhere if it wasn't destroyed to its end ^

CS1 · Jun 20, 2023

Omegatime said:

I know there an argument by some Let me ask this qestion from the the word of God .

Genesis Chapter 1:1-5

1, In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

The first day was created after God spoke into existence the Light and the separation of light and darkness.

We do not know how long that took in the context of Light Years to Time. It is only after this to we see days come to be, Yet we do not know how much time was in between. After this we see God speaking things into existence and coming to be with in a day.

We know that a day IS LIKE 1000 years to God and 1000 years like a day, Meaning God is timeless. God is not held to or restricted by time. It is a secular humanistic argument by some Christians who see the word "Day" in the creation and try to Hold God to a 24-hour day or 1000-year time frame so the intellect of man can comprehend all that God has done. LOL, Good Luck with that ye who are Finite.

cv5 · Jun 20, 2023

Bob-Carabbio said:

Highly probable IMO. The vv.2 text demands a previous judgement/destruction ie "tohu, bohu, hosek".
"Darkness" always indicates the presence/action/work of the evil one.

Gen 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Omegatime · Jun 20, 2023

Epistle of Barnabas on the six days

Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, And sanctify the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart. Exodus 20:8; Deuteronomy 5:12 And He says in another place, If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them. Jeremiah 17:24-25 The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it. Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, He finished in six days. This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, Behold, today will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. And He rested on the seventh day. This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.

cv5 · Jun 20, 2023

Bob-Carabbio said:

Disagree there. Rightly interpreted, Adam was created about 11,000 BC.

The correct formula is to SUM the ages of the patriarchs with exceptions when duly noted.
There also may be gaps in the genealogies (very common).

https://christianchat.com/threads/no-major-doctrines-changed.210115/post-5047992

https://christianchat.com/threads/the-author-and-date-of-the-book-of-job.209493/post-5018766

https://christianchat.com/threads/l...have-a-biblical-worldview.182445/post-3834586

https://christianchat.com/threads/p...iam-henry-green-1825-1900.208370/post-4958648

Omegatime · Jun 20, 2023

CS1 said:

I know there an argument by some Let me ask this qestion from the the word of God .

Genesis Chapter 1:1-5

1, In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void, and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

The first day was created after God spoke into existence the Light and the separation of light and darkness.

We do not know how long that took in the context of Light Years to Time. It is only after this to we see days come to be, Yet we do not know how much time was in between. After this we see God speaking things into existence and coming to be with in a day.

We know that a day IS LIKE 1000 years to God and 1000 years like a day, Meaning God is timeless. God is not held to or restricted by time. It is a secular humanistic argument by some Christians who see the word "Day" in the creation and try to Hold God to a 24-hour day or 1000-year time frame so the intellect of man can comprehend all that God has done. LOL, Good Luck with that ye who are Finite.

It was the Lord who made time--first it was evening then morning. His word is not meaningless when he said: A day to the Lord is a thousand years and a thousand years as a day

We would have to disagree

CS1 · Jun 20, 2023

Omegatime said:

Epistle of Barnabas on the six days

Further, also, it is written concerning the Sabbath in the Decalogue which [the Lord] spoke, face to face, to Moses on Mount Sinai, And sanctify the Sabbath of the Lord with clean hands and a pure heart. Exodus 20:8; Deuteronomy 5:12 And He says in another place, If my sons keep the Sabbath, then will I cause my mercy to rest upon them. Jeremiah 17:24-25 The Sabbath is mentioned at the beginning of the creation [thus]: And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it. Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, He finished in six days. This implies that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifies, saying, Behold, today will be as a thousand years. Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. And He rested on the seventh day. This means: when His Son, coming [again], shall destroy the time of the wicked man, and judge the ungodly, and change the-sun, and the moon, and the stars, then shall He truly rest on the seventh day.

interesting perspective.

CS1 · Jun 20, 2023

Omegatime said:

The word Doesn't say

"a day is a thousand years and a thousand years IS a day.

Ps 90:4
For a thousand years in Your sight
Are like yesterday when it is past,
And like a watch in the night.

2Pet 3:8

But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

Nowhere does the text say in either passage a day IS a thousand years or a thousand IS a day.

Please show where it does?

If we read on further Peter says this to finalize the context of verse 8

9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.

God's timing is not man's and we are to trust him even unto death.

Omegatime · Jun 20, 2023

Irenaeus Chapter 5 verse 28

3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works. Genesis 2:2 This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; 2 Peter 3:8 and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.

CS1 · Jun 20, 2023

Omegatime said:

Irenaeus Chapter 5 verse 28

3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works. Genesis 2:2 This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; 2 Peter 3:8 and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.

there is no Gospel Irenaeus.

Cameron143 · Jun 20, 2023

Omegatime said:

Irenaeus Chapter 5 verse 28

3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works. Genesis 2:2 This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; 2 Peter 3:8 and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.

Alot of your material is extra biblical. Does this not give you pause?

Omegatime · Jun 20, 2023

Hippoyltus

And 6,000 years must be accomplished, in order that the Sabbath may come, the rest, the holy day “on which God rested from all His works.” For the Sabbath is the type and emblem of the future kingdom of the saints, when they “shall reign with Christ,” when He comes from heaven, as John says in his Apocalypse: for “a day with the Lord is as a thousand years” (Psa. 90:4). Since, then, in six days God made all things, it follows that 6,000 years must be fulfilled

CS1 said:

You are correct but here is a man taught by a hearer of Apostle John--but how many listen to the heresy going on today

Omegatime · Jun 20, 2023

Cameron143 said:

Not at all for I am not moved by men far removed from the source and based everything on knowledge and the Spirit

I had my say and I am done

CS1 · Jun 20, 2023

Cameron143 said:

What do you mean extra?

The context and application are well seen if one is saved, filled with the Holy Spirit, and has learned Hebrew and Greek. If something is perceived as "extra" or added, we must look at the circle of Context/meaning to achieve the Authorial intent.

Within the :

sentence
verse
paragraph
Chapter
book
and the entire Bible.

Cameron143 · Jun 20, 2023

CS1 said:

The sources being quoted weren't from the Bible...extra biblical.

CS1 · Jun 20, 2023

Omegatime said:

Hippoyltus

And 6,000 years must be accomplished, in order that the Sabbath may come, the rest, the holy day “on which God rested from all His works.” For the Sabbath is the type and emblem of the future kingdom of the saints, when they “shall reign with Christ,” when He comes from heaven, as John says in his Apocalypse: for “a day with the Lord is as a thousand years” (Psa. 90:4). Since, then, in six days God made all things, it follows that 6,000 years must be fulfilled

You are correct, but here is a man taught by a hearer of Apostle John--but how many listen to the heresy going on today

So was Polycarp

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