Invisible Children...where's God's love?!

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needmesomejesus

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Invisible Children is a non-profit organization that tries to help children soldiers in Uganda get out of the war and rehabilitate them. I just watched the movie Grace and I was literally crying it was so sad. I just don't understand how a loving God allows innocent 13 year old girls to be raped multiple times by old men. When I the awful person I am am living with no real problems at all. Where is God's love?
 
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God turned the rule of this world over to humans. What have done lately to help?
 
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needmesomejesus

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God turned the rule of this world over to humans. What have done lately to help?

That doesn't sound very biblical. I thought he was was ruler of everything. And your last sentence didn't make sense.
 
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needmesomejesus

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anyone else have anything to say cause im still confused about this topic :/
 
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jimmydiggs

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Your question is: "If God is good, why does he allow bad things to happen?"

First, we must understand that we've been created with the ability to chose. This is also known as free will. Human created problems are just that.

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To change this, God would have to violate our ability to chose.
 
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Warrior44

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Very true. He wants us to CHOOSE to love Him. Otherwise we would not truly be loving Him because we would be forced. so it is the very purpose of our existance to be with Him in Heaven.
At the same time, God did not create the world and then sit back and watch the show. He is actively present in everything we do, fighting off Satan and revealing Himself to us so that we may believe in Him with violating our free will.
So then, this gift of our free will and the ability to decide to love Him is actually a gift from Him to us made out of love. Our very free will shows his love for us and not to mention that we would cease to exist if He ever stopped thinking about us and loving us.
He is everywhere working in our lives. Look for him. It can be harder to find it in places surrounding sin but we can see Him in every human being because we were all created in His own image and likeness.
 

zone

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Invisible Children is a non-profit organization that tries to help children soldiers in Uganda get out of the war and rehabilitate them. I just watched the movie Grace and I was literally crying it was so sad. I just don't understand how a loving God allows innocent 13 year old girls to be raped multiple times by old men. When I the awful person I am am living with no real problems at all. Where is God's love?
nmsj:

this is a very important question and we have all asked this at one time or another.

God's Love can not be separated from His Sovereignty. of God's attributes, from man's perspective, God's Sovereignty is, i believe one of the most important for man to respect and accept.

while His Character is Holy, Righteous, Good, Loving and Patient, He is also Infinitely Wise and totally Sovereign. that means that He works everything only according to His own Will....we can not understand His Ways or what His Own Counsel is. we are to respect and accept it.

in fact, to be extremely grateful for it, since He is Perfect, and one day we will all agree (whether lost or saved), that everything He did and does is RIGHT.

we do know that He is completely without Darkness, and is Pure Light and Holiness. we know that He works all things for His Glory. we must trust that He is in charge of everything, and everything is His to do with as He pleases.

regarding the children in Uganda.....did you know that Jesus said hatred is murder?

so, if we have actually hated someone in our lives, we ourselves have committed murder! this is why we should have compassion on all men, regardless of what they have done or are doing because we have committed the same sins ourselves. if we have ever hated someone, God says it is the same as if we have murdered them!

you ask where is God's Love while you, a sinner, sit with no real problems at all: that would be a good place to consider giving thanks - He determined where and when you would be born and live. there is an example of His Love....for you.

since you have no real problems, and since this has moved your spirit: why not consider ministering in some way, no matter how small, that can make a difference? you don't have to go to Uganda to do that...there are children in your very own town that are suffering today i bet. maybe an elderly neighbour who is so lonely they are suffering silently without you even knowing.

Matthew 25:40
And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
 
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Invisible Children is a non-profit organization that tries to help children soldiers in Uganda get out of the war and rehabilitate them. I just watched the movie Grace and I was literally crying it was so sad. I just don't understand how a loving God allows innocent 13 year old girls to be raped multiple times by old men. When I the awful person I am am living with no real problems at all. Where is God's love?
it breaks my heart too. but the only answer I hear in my heart is that this world is sinful and refuse to obey the love of God and God is tolerant to sin so that they may repent and turn back to Him. I know it does not sound like Justice but it is God's Mercy. Do not feel guilty for being blessed by God. instead pray and ask God how you can help and show His True love to others around you.

God did not bless you so that you spend it upon your own lust but so you can share it with others for the Glory of His name by showing others your love by loving the world as God so loved YOU and bless you and the rest of the world by offering salvation.

remember the promise of God...

Revelations 7
“These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters.[c] And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”


I know it breaks my heart to meet and speak with girls who have been gang rapped and are now suicidal and addicted on drugs and hate themselves for something they had no control of but were victims to, but all we can do is spend time with them and help them understand God's love and no matter how filthy they feel God's can wash their filth and give them white robes and His Love.
 
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AnandaHya

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anyone else have anything to say cause im still confused about this topic :/
sorry i miss a few threads some days. hope you are alright and if you need a prayer partner you can PM. :)
 
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unclefester

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Invisible Children is a non-profit organization that tries to help children soldiers in Uganda get out of the war and rehabilitate them. I just watched the movie Grace and I was literally crying it was so sad. I just don't understand how a loving God allows innocent 13 year old girls to be raped multiple times by old men. When I the awful person I am am living with no real problems at all. Where is God's love?
There's some things I don't understand either NMSJ. But if ever any of us require proof of our sinful nature, it's ugly things like this that serve to remind us. And on this note, isn't it absolutely mindboggling that Christ died for these very perpetrators ? What manner of love is this ? I am convinced that God weeps over things like this even more than we do. Remember Jesus wept when He saw the grief in Martha and Mary over Lazarus' death. Be assured of this .....God's heart is not of stone. One day we will have no more tears :)
 
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needmesomejesus

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That's annoying; I don't understand the whole free will thing. People have the freedom to do the most heinous crimes to innocent children who can't defend themselves. wow :/ How do you explain this to a child who has been abused? "Oh yah God loves you even though he allowed all those bad thing happen to you".
 
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That's annoying; I don't understand the whole free will thing. People have the freedom to do the most heinous crimes to innocent children who can't defend themselves. wow :/ How do you explain this to a child who has been abused? "Oh yah God loves you even though he allowed all those bad thing happen to you".
the free will debate....would you rather everyone be programmed robots with no choices or options? Forced to obey so they can not harm others out of their ignorance and selfish greed? Forced to pretend loving actions when they still fester hate in their hearts? would the world be better if it was filled with people who on the outside did the motions but on the inside harbored hatred and evil?

The war is not of the flesh but of the spirit. it is hard to explain if people do not understand what the Spirit is. I will pray for you, but I have to feed the kids. what are your questions exactly? I will respond when I get a chance if possible. but sometimes it rests upon Faith of God's love and justice.
 
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needmesomejesus

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the free will debate....would you rather everyone be programmed robots with no choices or options? Forced to obey so they can not harm others out of their ignorance and selfish greed? Forced to pretend loving actions when they still fester hate in their hearts? would the world be better if it was filled with people who on the outside did the motions but on the inside harbored hatred and evil?

The war is not of the flesh but of the spirit. it is hard to explain if people do not understand what the Spirit is. I will pray for you, but I have to feed the kids. what are your questions exactly? I will respond when I get a chance if possible. but sometimes it rests upon Faith of God's love and justice.
I feel like it should be the choice between freewill and being a robot. There's more to that. If God is just, he wouldn't allow people to hurt children.
 
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AnandaHya

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Satan uses even children to tempt people to stray from God. if the sins were done upon grown people would that make them any less sinful?

James 1:12-14
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12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
 
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needmesomejesus

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Satan uses even children to tempt people to stray from God. if the sins were done upon grown people would that make them any less sinful?

James 1:12-14
New King James Version (NKJV)

12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.

Yes and no. Yes, because children are completely innocent, but adults on the other hand have lived long enough to lose their childhood innocent. children completely trust people.
 

zone

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I feel like it should be the choice between freewill and being a robot. There's more to that. If God is just, he wouldn't allow people to hurt children.
hello nmsj:
i posted once already but wanted to be more precise.

"if God is just" in the way you are assuming He should be - we would all (including you) have been cast into the lake of fire the moment we committed our first sins.

be careful about murmuring against God......be thankful for His Mercy towards you. try to do something to help.

zone.
 
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needmesomejesus

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hello nmsj:
i posted once already but wanted to be more precise.

"if God is just" in the way you are assuming He should be - we would all (including you) have been cast into the lake of fire the moment we committed our first sins.

be careful about murmuring against God......be thankful for His Mercy towards you. try to do something to help.

zone.

you're right i deserve hell and i deserve to be hurt, but not innocent children who didn't do anything wrong or anything to deserve it.
 
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jimmydiggs

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yah.... that why i said it. I just don't see how a just God lets bad thing happen to children.
This is coming from your perception of what justice is. Try to think Christ-centered.

It is not that God does not care...

James 1:27 said:
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
Psalm 68:5 said:
A father to the fatherless, a defender of widows, is God in his holy dwelling.
Also, I believe much of the travesty in the world, despite what is caused by human choice, is caused by influence of the demonic. Read the book of Job for an example.

Materials from CARM:

CARM said:
Suffering is the result of human sin. The world is not the way that God created it and because of that, all are vulnerable to the effects of sin in the world. Why does one person suffer and another does not? Why do catastrophes happen to some and not to others? It is because sin is in the world. But there will come a day when the Lord will return and cleanse this world of all sin and all suffering.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away," (Rev. 21:4).
Why is there evil and suffering in the world? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click


God and Evil: A Philosophical Contradiction? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- more, but slightly philosophical in content


Also, if God is objectively good, then while we may not understand why he does or doesn't do something, for whatever reason he does it, it is good.