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throughfaith

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Lets start with Jesus:


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46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. (Luke 24:46-48)
Let's read in a real translation.
46¶And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

See the difference?
 

throughfaith

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So what gospel did Jesus preach that is different from Paul?
Acts 2 .38 is not Romans 10.9 or 1 cor 15 .1-4 or eph 1 .12 -13 . Peter doesn't preach to gentiles until 10 years after Acts 2 And even then Peter needed a 'vision ' given to him before he would accept that it was granted to Gentiles also .
 

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So what gospel did Jesus preach that is different from Paul?
Jesus preached the 'Kingdom 'to Israel
You have to hand it to the Jehovah's_Witnesses they see that Jesus was preaching the kingdom and thats what they think they are doing. They do not accept Paul's message of the good news for them . Only the 144.000 are eligible for Paul's ' good news '
 

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Jesus preached the 'Kingdom 'to Israel
You have to hand it to the Jehovah's_Witnesses they see that Jesus was preaching the kingdom and thats what they think they are doing. They do not accept Paul's message of the good news for them . Only the 144.000 are eligible for Paul's ' good news '

You mean to say that Paul does not teach about the kingdom or preaches the sames things as Jesus.?
 

throughfaith

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You mean to say that Paul does not teach about the kingdom or preaches the sames things as Jesus.?
With a complete bible ,we today have the luxury of the full picture .
 

throughfaith

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You mean to say that Paul does not teach about the kingdom or preaches the sames things as Jesus.?
Paul preached what he recieved from Jesus personally. Paul did not recieve his revelation from anyman .
 

throughfaith

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What is the Gospel?
There is another ' Gosepl ( good news ) in revelation 14 .
6¶And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
 

throughfaith

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There's more than one gospel?
Of course. Luke 9.6 did not have the death burial and resurrection in it . So how can that be the same good news Paul preached in 1cor 15.1-4 ?


Luke 9 .
And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
 

phil36

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There's more than one gospel?

Who's got it right you or Paul? You say there is two different gospels Paul says there is one.

8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!



Jesus

46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. (Luke 24:46-48)


Peter

8 Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

39 This promise is to you, to your children, and to those far awayall who have been called by the Lord our God.”

40 Then Peter continued preaching for a long time, strongly urging all his listeners, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation!”


Paul

21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
 

throughfaith

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Who's got it right you or Paul? You say there is two different gospels Paul says there is one.

8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!



Jesus

46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. (Luke 24:46-48)


Peter

8 Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

39 This promise is to you, to your children, and to those far awayall who have been called by the Lord our God.”

40 Then Peter continued preaching for a long time, strongly urging all his listeners, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation!”


Paul

21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
Again . What does it SAY in Galations 1 ?

8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that that which we preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have recieved, let him be accursed.

So we have to ask which gospel did they recieve . The one Paul preached. Not any other Good news but THE ONE PAUL PREACHED . THE SAME ONE THEY RECIEVED.
Its not saying anything about there being ONLY one good news . But that if someone comes with another Good news OTHER THAN the one that THEY recieved then let them be accursed ect .
 
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There is one gospel and it stretches the entirety of the Bible. One God, one Gospel, one salvation, one baptism, because there is One Christ.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
 

throughfaith

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Who's got it right you or Paul? You say there is two different gospels Paul says there is one.

8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!



Jesus

46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. (Luke 24:46-48)


Peter

8 Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

39 This promise is to you, to your children, and to those far awayall who have been called by the Lord our God.”

40 Then Peter continued preaching for a long time, strongly urging all his listeners, “Save yourselves from this crooked generation!”


Paul

21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus.
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46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. (Luke 24:46-48)

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46¶And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47And that REPENTANCE and!!! REMISSION OF SINS should be PREACHED in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.