Is baptism neccasary for salvation??
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It must be remembered, there are two baptism spoken of. A spiritual baptism by God, and a physical baptism in water. The spiritual baptism happens the moment we are saved, The Physical is an open testimony of our confession of faith. and a teaching tool to those who see it. But is not essential for salvation!
R
Then what do you say to these?
Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
If Jesus did it, and we should follow him, why not? And no servant is greater than his master.
Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
If Jesus did it, and we should follow him, why not? And no servant is greater than his master.
C
I think when He means born of water He is saying birth from the womb..........and how do you know in those verses that He is not talking about Spiritual baptism
And Baptism of Jesus was for our benefit, there was no reason for Jesus to get baptized exept to fulfill the scriptures
And Baptism of Jesus was for our benefit, there was no reason for Jesus to get baptized exept to fulfill the scriptures
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Christ set the example, so we should be baptized! However, if there is a situation that prevents someone from being baptized--such as when Christ was on the cross, and he was talking with one of the thieves. He told the thief that today he would be in paradise with him.
That man had never been baptized, and of course he couldn't come off the cross to be baptized, but Jesus never mentioned anything about it.
So, if for example, someone on their dying bed accepts Christ, but hasn't been baptized--then I don't think it would prevent salvation. But, if you can, you should be baptized!
That man had never been baptized, and of course he couldn't come off the cross to be baptized, but Jesus never mentioned anything about it.
So, if for example, someone on their dying bed accepts Christ, but hasn't been baptized--then I don't think it would prevent salvation. But, if you can, you should be baptized!
But Zaccheaus stood up and said to the Lord
''Look Lord, here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor and if I have cheated anybody out of anything I will pay back four times the amount
Jesus said to him
Today salvation has come to this house
Luke 19:8&9
Zaccheaus had not been baptised but according to Christ he had received salvation
''Look Lord, here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor and if I have cheated anybody out of anything I will pay back four times the amount
Jesus said to him
Today salvation has come to this house
Luke 19:8&9
Zaccheaus had not been baptised but according to Christ he had received salvation
R
Hmm interesting. I wanted to see what you would say. However, remember when Jesus washed the feet of the disciples? He left them with the words, ''the servant is not greater than his master, if I have washed your feet, you should also wash each other's feet.'' I don't know what this means entirely I admit, but in this case of baptism, wouldn't you want to follow his example? Surely you don't want to stand in front of him and say, ''I know you did it, but it wasn't for me.'' Then how could you say you followed him closely?
As my friend Jason pointed out, surely the thief was saved. Now I have to take into consideration these two things since this was brought to me. There is a crown to be won, and from a testimony I heard the weight of one crown may not weigh as much as another. Every work a person does will be added to the value of his crown. Some will get no crown, but will be cast into the lake of fire. Hmm I have to pray about this. But I choose to follow his example. May Jesus bless you.
edit: I just see you posted this already in a prior post. Amen! May Jesus bless you.
As my friend Jason pointed out, surely the thief was saved. Now I have to take into consideration these two things since this was brought to me. There is a crown to be won, and from a testimony I heard the weight of one crown may not weigh as much as another. Every work a person does will be added to the value of his crown. Some will get no crown, but will be cast into the lake of fire. Hmm I have to pray about this. But I choose to follow his example. May Jesus bless you.
edit: I just see you posted this already in a prior post. Amen! May Jesus bless you.
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Matthew 28: 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations,baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always , even to the end of the age."
No doubt which one Jesus us talking about here. It seemed pretty important to Him in making disciples, (joining His church).
No doubt which one Jesus us talking about here. It seemed pretty important to Him in making disciples, (joining His church).
M
"you need to be baptized by the Spirit, but by water is not required"
Ummmm No, that is not right. In order to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, one does need to already be saves. Read Acts...everytime someone was baptized by the Holy Spirit they had already been a believer.
One does not need to be either water or Holy Spirit baptized in order to be save. One only needs to truly believe. Yet the devil believes and he is not going to heaven...and also yet, faith without works is dead. So..one needs to believe TO THE POINT in which they become obedient, DOING the will of God...doing the Word.
So in other words... One that newly believes IS SAVED...IF their faith is true. If hit by a car and they die, they will go to heaven.
On the other hand, just saying a little prayer and then not ACTING on that faith, renders a person still unsaved...because faith without works is dead and no faith at all.
Baptism is an ACT of obedience. With that obedience comes blessing...almost always in the form of being able to better understand the written word of God when one studies.
Does that help?
Maggie
Ummmm No, that is not right. In order to be baptized in the Holy Spirit, one does need to already be saves. Read Acts...everytime someone was baptized by the Holy Spirit they had already been a believer.
One does not need to be either water or Holy Spirit baptized in order to be save. One only needs to truly believe. Yet the devil believes and he is not going to heaven...and also yet, faith without works is dead. So..one needs to believe TO THE POINT in which they become obedient, DOING the will of God...doing the Word.
So in other words... One that newly believes IS SAVED...IF their faith is true. If hit by a car and they die, they will go to heaven.
On the other hand, just saying a little prayer and then not ACTING on that faith, renders a person still unsaved...because faith without works is dead and no faith at all.
Baptism is an ACT of obedience. With that obedience comes blessing...almost always in the form of being able to better understand the written word of God when one studies.
Does that help?
Maggie
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It depends! Calling upon the name of the Lord and being saved requires personal knowledge of the Lord's divine identity and authority, in Christ's death on the cross, based on baptism in the Holy Spirit.
Calling "the name of the Lord" in water baptism, on the other hand, is no different from speaking God's message and driving out many demons and performing many miracles with hidden agenda that will be rejected on Judgement Day (Matt. 7: 21-23).
Calling "the name of the Lord" in water baptism, on the other hand, is no different from speaking God's message and driving out many demons and performing many miracles with hidden agenda that will be rejected on Judgement Day (Matt. 7: 21-23).
if you are babtised by the spirit; you know for sure it is from heaven, but if you are baptised by water,you could be babtised by a wicked person,there are many of them.
and some people have not the opportunity to be babtised with water,because the environment they are in,like the desert for instance.
''wakeup''.
