Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

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Wansvic

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The High Priest would be immersed in the mikvah before his services in the Holy Temple.

The mikvah had to have living water in it.

Jesus is our High Priest.

He only had to offer His sacrifice once.
I understand. However, according to Peter those in the NT who have been born again become part of the royal priesthood. How? Via the same things required of Aaron and his sons in the OT; cleansing with water and anointing with oil. The NT parallel is water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus, and receiving the Holy Ghost.

1 Peter 2:9-10
"But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy."
 

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The High Priest would be immersed in the mikvah before his services in the Holy Temple.

The mikvah had to have living water in it.

Jesus is our High Priest.

He only had to offer His sacrifice once.
Actually the high priest and his sons were ordained into the priesthood through being washed with water from head to toe PRIOR to being adorned with the priestly garments, and anointing oil was also applied. The NT parallel as I mentioned in the previous post is seen in the requirements to receive one's spiritual rebirth.

"And thou shalt bring Aaron and his sons unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and wash them with water.
And thou shalt put upon Aaron the holy garments, and anoint him, and sanctify him; that he may minister unto me in the priest's office.
And thou shalt bring his sons, and clothe them with coats:
And thou shalt anoint them, as thou didst anoint their father, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office: for their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations." Ex 40:12-15

Side Note: Notice the garments were provided AFTER the individual was washed entirely with water. A parallel is seen in the story where a man was cast into outer darkness because he had not acquired a wedding garment. (Matt. 22:11-13)


Afterward cleaning of the hands and feet was required at the laver prior to entering the tabernacle to perform their duties.

"Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the Lord:
So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations." Ex 30:18-21
 

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Exactly. Baptism was for those entering the priesthood in the service of God.

They had already been chosen and set apart.

Now we are all priests, brought into a relationship with the Living Lord, Whom we serve.
 
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The only saving that baptism does, is it delivers you from a guilty conscience.
Best you study scriptures;

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
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Make sure you are not allowing the ...new age religion movement...distract you from the Bible and God's commandments. It is your salvation on the line.
 

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Baptism is Required

Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
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Jesus' baptism was to fulfill all righteousness.

Do you think YOU can fulfill all righteousness? Good luck with that.

What we do is put on the righteousness of Christ. He fulfilled all righteousness
despite your pretensions to the contrary. We clothe ourselves in HIS righteousness.
By grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.


If for some reason someone is unable to be water baptized after coming to belief and having
faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins, the salvation
of their soul, and to be reconciled to God, having repented of their rebellion against God, and

being adopted into God's family, then they will not lose their salvation for want of physical water,
when Jesus Christ gives them water that will become in them a spring welling up to eternal life.


Jesus said so :)

Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of
his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”
John 7:38

Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks
of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will
become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”
John 4:13b-14

And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end.
To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment."
Rev 21:6

The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one
who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.
Rev 22:17

With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation. Isa 12:3

You ( @peldom10 ) X'd this ^ earlier :oops: Scripture seems to make you cantankerous.

Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal,
flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb. Rev 22:1


On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice,
“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as
Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
By this He
meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive.
John 7:37-39a

They shall hunger no more, neither thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any
scorching heat. For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and He will
guide them to springs of living water, and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.
Rev 7:16-17


Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that is saying to you,
‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.”

John 4:10

Make sure you do not allow the new age religious movement of works
for salvation distract you from God's plan for the salvation of your soul.


I realize you disagree with a lot of Scripture due to all the X's you apply to it.

Please reconsider and accept what Scripture teaches. The salvation of your soul depends on it.
 
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Paul says it best

Titus 3: 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done (water baptism is a work of righteousness) but by his mercy he saved us through the washing and renewal of the holy spirit

washing of water by the word.
Born again of the spirit.

Both in one passage. a spiritual baptism and new birth given to those who look up to the cross. and through faith recieve christ. Just like Jesus said in John 3.

No water baptism anywhere
If there is no water baptism anywhere then why do we find these passages:
Mark 1: 4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
Luke 3:16 John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Matthew 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized? ” 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
Acts 16: 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.
Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

From these we learn:
1.John's baptism was with water in which repentant received forgiveness. Jesus submitted himself to this baptism to accomplish all righteousness. His baptism blesses and gives His benefits to out baptism.
2.Those who heard Jesus' words to make disciples "baptizing them" in the name of our Triune God clearly understood that meant connecting Jesus Words with water. The other passages where people were baptized included water.
3.The Holy Spirit uses means to connect the blessings Jesus won to the won receiving them. In Baptism it is Water.
Acts 2: 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
 
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If there is no water baptism anywhere then why do we find these passages:
Mark 1: 4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
Luke 3:16 John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Matthew 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized? ” 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
Acts 16: 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.
Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

From these we learn:
1.John's baptism was with water in which repentant received forgiveness. Jesus submitted himself to this baptism to accomplish all righteousness. His baptism blesses and gives His benefits to out baptism.
2.Those who heard Jesus' words to make disciples "baptizing them" in the name of our Triune God clearly understood that meant connecting Jesus Words with water. The other passages where people were baptized included water.
3.The Holy Spirit uses means to connect the blessings Jesus won to the won receiving them. In Baptism it is Water.
Acts 2: 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

If there is no water baptism anywhere then why do we find these passages:
Mark 1: 4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
Luke 3:16 John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Matthew 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized? ” 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
Acts 16: 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.
Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

From these we learn:
1.John's baptism was with water in which repentant received forgiveness. Jesus submitted himself to this baptism to accomplish all righteousness. His baptism blesses and gives His benefits to out baptism.
2.Those who heard Jesus' words to make disciples "baptizing them" in the name of our Triune God clearly understood that meant connecting Jesus Words with water. The other passages where people were baptized included water.
3.The Holy Spirit uses means to connect the blessings Jesus won to the won receiving them. In Baptism it is Water.
Acts 2: 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Excellent summary of references to support God's commandment requiring water baptism.

With your approval I will keep this writing for support of scriptures on baptism?

Thank you.
 

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Exactly. Baptism was for those entering the priesthood in the service of God.

They had already been chosen and set apart.

Now we are all priests, brought into a relationship with the Living Lord, Whom we serve.
Please note comments in post #442. Both Aaron and his sons were ordained upon submitting to specific requirements. Afterward they began their duties in service to God.
 

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Please note comments in post #442. Both Aaron and his sons were ordained upon submitting
to specific requirements. Afterward they began their duties in service to God.
Did someone dispute that they were ordained after being chosen and set apart for service to God?

If they did, I missed it.
 

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Did someone dispute that they were ordained after being chosen and set apart for service to G

If they did, I missed it.
If I am not mistaken your post was only concerning the washing of hands and feet prior to entering the tabernacle. I was only pointing out that Aaron (a foreshadow of Jesus) and his sons were not permitted to enter the tabernacle to perform their duties in service to God until after they submitted to having their bodies washed and anointed with oil. A parallel seen in the NT requirements to become part of the royal priesthood; water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost.
 

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If I am not mistaken your post was only concerning the washing of hands and feet prior to entering the tabernacle.
I do not recall saying anything about washing hands and feet. The discussion has been concerning mikvah baptism.

I was only pointing out that Aaron (a foreshadow of Jesus) and his sons were not permitted to enter the tabernacle to perform their duties in service to God until after they submitted to having their bodies washed and anointed with oil. A parallel seen in the NT requirements to become part of the royal priesthood; water baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost.
They had to do a whole lot more than that. Are you going to do the same?
 
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For me to answer the original question, I would have to explain my perspective of Baptism supported with Scripture.

Matt 28: 19 Go ye, therefore, and TEACH all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

If it was one baptism, it would have read " in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit." Since it reads, "in the name of the Father, in the name of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit", it is describing each of the persons of the Godhead's part in Baptism. This baptism occurs by teaching.

Acts 8: 12 But WHEN they believed Phillip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Notice that they were baptized WHEN THEY BELIEVED.

Acts 9: 17-18 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even ( that is) Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Spirit.. And IMMEDIATELY there fell from his eyes as it had been scales; and he received sight, and arose, and was baptized.

When did the scales fall from his eyes? Immediately
When did he receive sight? Immediately
When did he arise? Immediately
When did he get baptized? Immediately

Matt 20: 18-19 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify Him. And the third day He shall rise again.
Matt 20: 22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto Him, we are able.

In verse 18 and 19 Jesus is explaining the events that He has to experience when they go up to Jerusalem. In verse 22 He calls this experience of event that He has to go through a Baptism.

Luke 12: 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I constrained till it be accomplished!

Again, Christ refers to an event that He has to experience as a Baptism.

Rom 6: 3 Know ye not that, as many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?

"Baptized into Jesus Christ" means Baptized in the name of the Son, where one believes in Jesus and becomes part of His body. As part of His body, we experienced the same event ( or Baptism) that He experienced.

Rom 6: 4 Therefore, we are buried with Him by Baptism into death, that as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory (Spirit) of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

When we are baptized in the name of the Son by believing, we receive the Father's Holy Spirit and become born again with a new heart that will aid in obeying the Spirit of the Law ( letting Love be the motive for all thoughts and actions).

1 Cor 12: 13 For by one Spirit were we baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Greeks, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

When you are baptized in the name of the Father, you receive His Spirit ( drink into one Spirit) which makes us part of the body of Christ when we believe in Him ( Christ) as Lord and Savior.

1 Cor 12: 3 Wherefore, I give you to understand that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

It is the Spirit of the Father that convicts us of our sins and into believing and trusting that Jesus is Lord and Savior.

Eph 3: 14-15 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, ...

Those that belong to the Family of the Father have been baptized in the name of the Father and have received His Holy Spirit.

Acts 1: 5 For John truly baptized with water, but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.

This verse seems to indicate that one kind of baptism ( water) is going to be replaced with a new kind of baptism ( Spirit).

Acts 8: 12 But when they believed Phillip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

This verse indicates that the time of the baptism occurs at the same time as the believing.

Acts 11: 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

This verse seems to indicate that it is the Father who grants the repentance that is necessary to gain life. When one is baptized in the name of the Father, he first repents and then turns to Him for forgiveness. This repentance given by the Father is not a gift that can be refused. Repentance is a state of being and once it is granted, you have it.

Ezek 36: 25-27 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean; from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.

What God said that He was going to do to Israel, He is doing now to Jews and Gentiles. He cleanses us through the blood of Jesus, and perfects us by filling us with His Spirit who fills our hearts with divine love for God and everyone else. When all our thoughts and actions are motivated by love, we are obeying the Spirit of the Law. Sprinkling of water was symbolic of cleansing of sins which He does now through Jesus Christ.
 
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Acts 2: 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized, everyone of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Peter explains the steps that takes place in salvation. You get baptized in the name of the Father who grants repentance. Then you get baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins. This is not refering to water baptism as illustrated in the next verse which explains how baptism in the name of Jesus Christ occurs. And then ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit ( baptism in the name of the Holy Spirit).

Acts 19: 1-6 And it came to pass that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper borders came to Ephesus and, finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there is any Holy Spirit. And he said unto them, Unto what, then, were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people that they should believe on Him who should come after him, that is on Christ Jesus. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied.

Baptism in the name of the Son occurs when a person believes on Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. John's baptism with water was a baptism of repentance. The Jews that came from all around the Jordan to get baptized by John knew nothing about salvation through Jesus Christ. Throughout the Old Testament, God's chosen people experienced hardships when they broke away from the God of their Father's. When they repented and returned to God, God forgave them and they received good fortune. That is why Jews went to get baptized by John. It was a Jewish ritual to publicly and to God declare repentance and a return to God so that they can receive good fortune from God. The water represented the washing away of their sins as they acknowledged their sins aloud and repented.

Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized; and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Peter was preaching to the Jewish crowd about Jesus and those that believed were baptized in the name of Jesus just like like John's disciples in Acts 19: 1-6 when they heard about Jesus Christ. Three thousand divided by 12 equals 250. If it was a water baptism each of the 12 apostles would have to baptize 250 people which would take a lot of time and waiting. People get baptized in the name of the Son automatically when they hear about Christ and believe.

Acts 2: 47 Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

That word "should" means "supposed to" because those that get saved are ordained by God ( predetermined ) from the beginning of creation.

Acts 8: 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water; and the eunuch said, See, here is water. What doth hinder me to be baptized?

The eunuch had just left Jerusalem and was heading back to Egypt. He had gone to Jerusalem to worship and was probably of Jewish descent and followed Jewish customs. When the eunuch asked Philip what would hinder him to be baptized, Philip replied that if he believed (v.37) he could. The eunuch declared that he did believe on Jesus which means that he was already baptized in the name of Jesus. You can't be baptized in the name of the Son unless you first get baptized in the name of the Father ( who grants repentance). The eunuch wanted to declare his repentance through water baptism and Philip obliged.

John 1: 32-33 And John bore witness, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon Him. And I knew Him not; but He that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, the same is He who baptizeth with the Holy Spirit.

It was John the Baptist who was sent to baptize with water knowing that one of the participants would be the Christ. God let him know how he would be able to identify the one who will be baptizing with the Holy Spirit. It is Christ who baptizes in the name of the Holy Spirit of the Father and that happens when the Father grants repentance ( baptism in the name of the Father) and the person believes on Jesus Christ ( baptism in the name of the Son) who baptizes in the name of the Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 1: 16-17 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas; besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

If he baptized with water, he would know who he baptized. His not knowing means that in his preaching, he does not know all who gladly received his words.

For Christ sent me not to baptize but to preach the gospel;

In other words, let Jesus do the baptizing by our preaching.

1 Cor 1: 21 For after that, in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Spreading the gospel of Jesus by preaching should be our bread and the Father's will. That is how people get baptized into believing and getting saved.
 

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Ezek 36: 25-27 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall
be clean; from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse
you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within
you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give
you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to
walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.

Ezekiel 36:25-26
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Water baptism is required. You don’t need to understand it necessarily, just obey. Jesus taught water baptism and the apostles taught water baptism. All of them got water baptized.

This is actually a bit urgent. If you’ve been rejecting water baptism because you think it’s just getting wet then there’s a big problem. Get water baptized, asap, following the Biblical reasons and examples.

There’s a lot of noise or static in this thread because there’s a debate. If you’re interested in getting water baptized and knowing why just let me know and I’ll tell you.
 
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Water baptism is required. You don’t need to understand it necessarily, just obey. Jesus taught water baptism and the apostles taught water baptism. All of them got water baptized.

This is actually a bit urgent. If you’ve been rejecting water baptism because you think it’s just getting wet then there’s a big problem. Get water baptized, asap, following the Biblical reasons and examples.

There’s a lot of noise or static in this thread because there’s a debate. If you’re interested in getting water baptized and knowing why just let me know and I’ll tell you.
You obviously have not read and reflected on posts # 454 and 455. First, Jesus water baptized no one. Secondly, if you had read the posts you would of realized that Jesus used the word " baptism" with a different meaning than water baptism. Jesus went through water baptism so that John would be able to identify Him as the one that will baptize with the Holy Spirit. Water baptism was a Jewish ritual that symbolized repentance for the remission of sins. Water is used as a symbol for cleansing sins.
 
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You obviously have not read and reflected on posts # 454 and 455.
I read it and some parts are quite interesting. I had never seen baptism looked at from the perspective you’re having. Other parts are less clear and some parts were wrong. I mean that constructively. I’ll reply to it later because it’s so lengthy.

First, Jesus water baptized no one.
When Jesus came to John to be water baptized, John said he needs to be baptized by Jesus. The kind of baptism Jesus came to John for is the same kind of baptism John wanted from Jesus - a water baptism. Jesus answered in the affirmative saying to John to let it so because it is becoming of them (John and Jesus) to fulfill all righteousness. Jesus agreed with John here. While the text doesn’t say Jesus then water baptized John, there is strong evidence that He did so. Jesus wouldn’t say He would do something and then not do it.

Matthew 3:14,15 KJV
14But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Furthermore, there are verses that say Jesus baptized.

John 3:22,26
22After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

26And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.

Secondly, if you had read the posts you would of realized that Jesus used the word " baptism" with a different meaning than water baptism. Jesus went through water baptism so that John would be able to identify Him as the one that will baptize with the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, at His water baptism, said it’s to fulfill all righteousness. So that’s the reason He got water baptized.

Water baptism was a Jewish ritual that symbolized repentance for the remission of sins. Water is used as a symbol for cleansing sins.
I’m not aware of any verses that say water baptism is a ritual or is a symbol of cleansing sins.