Her position is that we do not know the baptismal status of the fellow on the cross.
He may or may not be.
I fail to understand why it is that when someone says something assumptions are made immediately.
For example I said baptism saves. I never said not even once that salvation can not happen outside of baptism. I simply repeated what Peter said, "baptism now saves you". The made a case for baptismal regeneration. And a case that if a person has saving faith why would they disobey the directive given by Jesus? Then people immediately began accusing me of saying that the unbaptised are damned. Which I never said,
You really need to go back and read her posts.
She says, 'it's an assumption to say he was not baptized. And that's done alot.'
You'll find that post easily enough. And her other ones as well.
Anyone interjecting the thief's baptismal state at all is extra biblical.
But it's done to keep the, baptism is mandatory, argument going.
Which is done alot here I've noticed. People expounding on a scripture or teaching with their own ideas of what was meant to be said there. As if God needs their help to clarify his message to the world to then make for better understanding.
He's God, what's he know? We gotta clarify on some things and fill in what's missing.🤔😶🤫
Like the idea baptism is absolutely mandatory or else a person is not saved.
Absolute and total hogwash.
Jesus baptized no one. Paul said he was not sent to baptize, though he did baptize a few. And in one instance said he was grateful he didn't baptize some.
If baptism were mandatory otherwise a person is not actually saved, those parts of the Bible are devastating. Especially as pertains to Jesus himself.
The Bible does not record Jesus baptizing anyone.
He came to die on the cross and take the sins of the world in himself there. But he didn't baptize anyone first, though his disciples did before and after he ascended. Big lapse of memory on Jesus part, huh?
Drats! I died to seal the covenant of salvation but to fully teach it as I was doing before the cross I plum forgot to baptize anyone and teach that must be done for my good news to actually save people!
And then there's the argument, again not at all the biblical gospel but that doesn't matter to such proponents of, be baptized or else stay damned in your sins, those who try to insist baptism became requisite at Pentecost. After Jesus as ended.
He lived teaching th we good news Gospel, then after he went back to heaven he sent the day of Pentecost as a P.S.
P.S You have to be baptized in liquid water or else you do not attain salvation.
Jesus was the water of eternal life.
Anyone who insists only liquid water baptism affords Salvation is wrong.
Even John the Baptizer knew that before seeing the Lamb that saves the world walking toward him so that John would baptize him.
To save Jesus from his sins and bring him into salvation after he died on the cross?
No.
To wash him, cleanse him, the Mikvah unique to Jews. Because it was after that when Jesus began his ministry.
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I. . . . He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire” (Matthew 3:11)
Think about it.
Those who wrongly insist baptism brings Salvation are telling you anyone who accepted Christ from their deathbed, or when dying on the battlefield, or anywhere else having not also being immersed in liquid water died condemned in their sins.
And were not brought into salvation. They died thinking they were saved when they actually were not. Nor could they or anyone ever be unless they're immersed in liquid water.
Which would imply Jesus taught a gospel missing that crucial piece. Liquid water is absolutely crucial in baptism or else someone is not saved by grace through faith.
John 3 says otherwise. As does Jesus' entire ministry of the good news Gospel.
Jesus is the water of life.
Liquid water is a good act of man. Not a conditional mandate for the salvation of man or woman. Jesus never taught such a thing as that.
“He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.”
1 John 5:12
Many here obviously oppose Sola Fide ,faith alone, and Sola Gratia, grace alone.
They are in obvious opposition when they insist someone is not brought to salvation by grace through faith. But only when that person is baptized in liquid water.
Typically those are of the Catholic church.
In 1543 the Catholic church Council of Trent declared those 2 Solas and 3 others to be anathema.
Anathema is a Greek word meaning to separate, suspend or set aside.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Council-of-Trent.html
''Salvation by grace alone through faith alone, one of the Reformers’ rallying cries, was rejected in favor of sacramental grace and a righteousness based on an admixture of grace and works.''
This is a lengthy post.
This subject is running at length too. And not for the first time I'm sure. As is the case in most Christ forums.
It's important I think to know where the proponents of the human act,rite, of committing to liquid water baptism brings Salvation are coming from when their position obviously denies the scriptures that tell us we are saved by grace through faith.
Even if they deny being Catholic, they're denouncing faith and grace scripture and insisting those alone do not bring salvation.
That is absolutely contrary to the protestant reformation.
Be aware of that which calls Jesus message false. And insists you are not in Salvation, saved, by grace through faith.
You are saved by the water of life, Christ Jesus. Don't let anyone work the scriptures so to try and convince you unless you are baptized you are still dead in your sins.
Jesus never said that. And he sure didn't die so that you could be saved by liquid water because grace and faith are not enough.
Which is exactly what the 'baptism in liquid water is mandatory or you are not saved, proponents are telling you.
By grace you have been saved through faith. Not of yourselves being immersed in liquid water.
Believe God. God saves. Not false liquid water salvation saves advocates.
You can be baptized of course. But if you are not it doesn't mean you are not saved.
Know the truth of Jesus.
Your eternity depends on getting it right.
Baptism or else you're not saved advocates are dead wrong.
Don't follow them.
Follow Jesus whose Gospel tells you, they are not telling you the truth.