Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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You can be as certain as you like but that is not supported by scripture. It's a false hope based on nothing other than your gut and not scripture. It's also contrary to scripture. Your words reflect your opinion but not scripture. Your words do not negate what can be clearly read in the bible that contradict them. I also agree with you that faith too is required and I never said nor does the bible say otherwise. As the scriptures say, the following are ALL required for salvation when all pertinent scriptures are taken into consideration.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism
1st Peter 3:21
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism
1st Peter 3:21
21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
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Okay, believe what you want, no skin off my nose. But when you come to realize that the power of salvation comes by hearing with faith, you won't be so legalistic about baptism. We should have an urgency about baptism; we should teach it and practice it; but even more we should preach the gospel of Christ.
"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1 Corinthians 1:20-25
"Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men." 1 Corinthians 1:20-25
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I did not say that...you are playing games with partial quoting.
We are done here and I am reporting you.[/QUOTE]
Sure they were saved. His (,John's) baptism was the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, Luke 3:3. The problem is, it wasn't long lasting and would have to be repeated upon commission
of sin after thrir baptism. Remission of sins occurred at the time of their repentance and baptism, otherwise, God's word in this regard would be untrue. Jesus asked too if the baptism of John was of man or from God, so if it was from God, it was true. Also, those baptized unto John's baptism didn't place them into the body of Christ which is the church unlike being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins as noted in Acts 2:38-47
It's not about the water. It's about belief and obedience to what God has established. Those who submit to what God says are in fact placing their full trust in Him even when it doesn't make sense.
Consider Noah. He believed God and built an ark, when the fact was water never, ever fell from the sky. Surely people thought he was nuts. But he ignored their jeers because, Guess what? God said to do it and he trusted God rather than people.
Again, consider the words recorded in the very word of God: Why tarriest thou? (Why wait) Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord. That means be baptized in water IN THE NAME OF JESUS. And as Paul explained in Romans 6, you will have been buried with Jesus into His death...Know this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed.
Consider Noah. He believed God and built an ark, when the fact was water never, ever fell from the sky. Surely people thought he was nuts. But he ignored their jeers because, Guess what? God said to do it and he trusted God rather than people.
Again, consider the words recorded in the very word of God: Why tarriest thou? (Why wait) Arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord. That means be baptized in water IN THE NAME OF JESUS. And as Paul explained in Romans 6, you will have been buried with Jesus into His death...Know this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed.
You don't get it. We don't do it as a public affirmation. We do it in submission to the Lord; we die with Him and are raised with Him. It could be done with no "public" at all present, just you and the one baptizing you. You insist on making it nothing more than a "public affirmation"; by doing so you drain it of its spiritual power and majesty.
Actually Jesus said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16) And Peter and Ananias spoke of sins being remitted in obedience to water baptism. (Acts 2:38, 22:16) This speaks to baptism being more than just a public affirmation. Yet many refuse to believe Jesus, and those whom He used to carry the life saving message. Also many refuse to accept that water baptism is to be administered in the name of the very person who was crucified to save humanity; Jesus. Relevant? According to Jesus it is. Because everyone is going to be judged by what the word actually says, not according to personal opinions. (John 12:48)
