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Jesus never said"I m God,nor he said worship me" and he himself worshipped God n prayed to him in times of adversity.Is this not true.?
Why do you think the JEWS wanted to kill him for his statement I and My Father are ONE <----because he made himself equal to GOD by that statement......wake up PAL...JESUS is GOD
 
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I don't consider the desires of sodomites to be fleshly lusts.
Oops. I see this was taken in a way I didn't mean. I meant sodomite attraction is almost a demonic thing, rather than fleshly. It is unnatural - fleshly lust would be man for a woman, but sodomite attraction is unnatural - which is why sodomy is an abomination.
 

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Jesus never said"I m God,nor he said worship me" and he himself worshipped God n prayed to him in times of adversity.Is this not true.?
Simply this is not true. We have shown you the verses and told you what Jesus said and did
yet you wish to believe something different.

Repeating your beliefs does not make them reflected in scripture.
 
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so show where Jesus himself said I am God or worship me.That simple
John 8:48-59 The Jews answered him, “Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?” Jesus answered, “I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me. Yet I do not seek my own glory; there is One who seeks it, and he is the judge. Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps my word, he will never see death.” The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Exodus 3:13 - 15 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?” God said to Moses, “I am who I am. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ” God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’

“This is my name forever,
the name you shall call me
from generation to generation.


John 20:24-29 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.” A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
 
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Jesus makes no distinction between Himself and His Children:
Acts 9:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

We are INDEED hated for taking the Name of God in the flesh, Jesus Christ:

Matthew 10:22-24 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. 23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

24 “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master.

They have almost completely wiped out by execution, Christians in several Muslim nations. Ridiculous to say they don't hate us, or the REAL Jesus.
Not all Jews hated Jesus (although the Pharisees clearly did), and the first Christians were Jews. In the same way, I also believe that not all Muslims hate Jesus, although I do agree that those who persecute Christians, especially to the point of death, do hate Jesus. However, this is surely a minority of Muslims. Plenty of other religions also kill Christians - Jews and Hindus, for example, but I think it's inaccurate to say all people of one religion hate Jesus. Not knowing is different to hating, in my view.
 
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Jesus never said"I m God,nor he said worship me" and he himself worshipped God n prayed to him in times of adversity.Is this not true.?
You are playing with words that you don’t know the meanings of. The word “God” in the Bible doesn’t mean Almighty. It is translated in the Old Testament from “elohim”, and in the New from “theos”. Both elude to divine or heavenly, from the heavens. Christ stated He was from above, and was returning to above. So in the direct translation He is claiming divinity. We Christians don’t bow to everything and all beings divine. We are created by Yahweh, the self existent, God of gods. His son is Yeshua (Christ) and He gave authority to His Son to rule the Earth. Those who follow Christ are under authority of the Almighty. At the end of the age a major disaster will destroy most of the surface of the planet (as it has happened many times before). Then Christ will return physically to rule. At the end of that age, the earth will be completely destroyed and there will be a new heaven and earth.
Those who chose correctly enjoy eternal bliss with Christ as King. Those who don’t...who knows exactly. I did my homework and you are part right about some things. Just because someone says they are Christian, doesn’t mean they are. Clearly the papacy and the Church of Rome have done some horrible things under the banner of Christ. All of those things, including killing actual Christians, were not done for Christ. If you actually read what Christ taught you would see these are men are serving another master. If you translate the Bible accurately it paints a picture that is less accepted yet more believable. There is a battle in the heavenlies. We must choose which side we are on. Do as I have done. Do your own research as if your afterlife depends on it...because it does.
 
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No it does not.......it devalues Christ......and you claim he was a prophet...HE states of HIMSELF he is ONE with GOD and the bible states clearly HE IS GOD, the PHYSICAL manifestation of GOD, the ONLY WAY to GOD, the ONLY SAVIOR of the world......
The irony is that the Muslims can and do respect and glorify Christ whilst still devaluing Him. That the Muslims respect Jesus is a fact (this is where you are wrong). However, that they devalue Him, by not recognising him as God, is also a fact (this is where you are right).

...and even the SEXUAL deviant, immoral, accepted practices of ISLAM that are disgusting...............Islam is not even a religion....it is a cult that promotes sin.
Your words here don't seem to be kind or respectful, and I would argue are inaccurate. Islam is very much a religion. You might not like it, but it's a religion.
 
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The irony is that the Muslims can and do respect and glorify Christ whilst still devaluing Him. That the Muslims respect Jesus is a fact (this is where you are wrong). However, that they devalue Him, by not recognising him as God, is also a fact (this is where you are right).

Your words here don't seem to be kind or respectful, and I would argue are inaccurate. Islam is very much a religion. You might not like it, but it's a religion.
Both things you just said are either false or contradictory......You cannot honor Christ when devaluing his DEITY <---get this fact through your head

and your second comment reeks of ignorance......their book allows sex with animals, children, and dead bodies within a certain amount of time....they are not a religion....they are a cult......<---get this fact through your head as well

AND you must be a MUSLIM seeing how you are defending them against the truth!!!!!!!
 
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The greater percentage of muslims in a particular nation the more murder and persecution they commit against others.
This applies to all Godless nations, not just to Muslims. It applies equally to Communist nations, but because it serves the purposes of the world not to demonise Communism, Muslim "nations" are targeted for their persecution of Christians, rather than Communist nations, or even the depraved West where Christians lose their jobs and livelihoods for standing up for Jesus.
 
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Both things you just said are either false or contradictory......You cannot honor Christ when devaluing his DEITY <---get this fact through your head
If you want to see a religion that disrespects Christ, you only need look as far as Judaism, which pronounces the filthiest things against Him, unless you are showing partiality. When I say that Muslims respect Christ, they speak of him with respect and reverence, which is appropriate, although they do not acknowledge his deity, which I am very much aware of.

and your second comment reeks of ignorance......their book allows sex with animals, children, and dead bodies within a certain amount of time....they are not a religion....they are a cult......<---get this fact through your head as well
Again, so does the religion of the Talmudists, and atheists (genetic modification?) and numerous other false religions, but you seem to be ignoring these. All man-made religions are debased and depraved - Muslims are not any more evil.

AND you must be a MUSLIM seeing how you are defending them against the truth!!!!!!!
I'm not aware that I am defending Muslims. But I do try to be impartial in my judgements, whilst your words indicate to me that you may have pre-conceived ideas that Muslims are somehow more evil than the rest of lost mankind.
 
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If you want to see a religion that disrespects Christ, you only need look as far as Judaism, which pronounces the filthiest things against Him, unless you are showing partiality. When I say that Muslims respect Christ, they speak of him with respect and reverence, which is appropriate, although they do not acknowledge his deity, which I am very much aware of.

Again, so does the religion of the Talmudists, and atheists (genetic modification?) and numerous other false religions, but you seem to be ignoring these. All man-made religions are debased and depraved - Muslims are not any more evil.

I'm not aware that I am defending Muslims. But I do try to be impartial in my judgements, whilst your words indicate to me that you may have pre-conceived ideas that Muslims are somehow more evil than the rest of lost mankind.
Impartial in your judgments? Another misnomer WE are to judge ALL things by the word of GOD pal......not be IMPARTIAL..........and the bolded is exactly what you have done every time you have engaged me in this thread

And to the UNDERLINED....this thread is NOT about any other religion than ISLAM........and he has CONSISTENTLY devalued Christianity while promoting ISLAM.....wake up pal
 
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CHRISTIAN CONFUSION PARTI
Q:Who is god?,A: Jesus
Q:Is Jesus the son of Mary?, A:Yes
QWho created Mary?,A: God.
Q:Who is God?,A: Jesus
Q:Jesus is the begotten son.,A: Yes
Q:Who is his father?,A: God.
QWho is God?,A: Jesus.
Q:Jesus is a servant of God?,A: Yes
Q:Who is God?,A: Jesus.
Q:Jesus died on the cross?A:Yes
Q:Who resurrected him?,A: God.
Q:Who is God?,A: Jesus
Q:Jesus is a messenger?,A: Yes
Q:Who sent him?,A: God.
Q:Who is God?,A: Jesus.
Q:Did Jesus worship while on earth?,A: Yes
Q:Whom did he worship?,A: God.
Q:Who is God?,A: Jesus.


Christian confusion partII
Q:Did God have a beginning?,A: No
Q:Then who was born on 25 DEC?, A:Jesus.
Q:Who is God?, A:Jesus
Q:Where's God?,A: In heaven
Q:How many are there in heaven?, A:Only one God.
Q:Where's Jesus?, A:He is seated on the right hand of his father.
Q:Who is God?,A: Jesus.
Q:Then how many are they in heaven?, A:Only one God
Q:Then how many seats?,A: One
Q:Where's Jesus?, A:Seated next to God.
Q:Then how are they seated?,A: On one chair.
It is only understood by those with holy spirit.Who is God?Jesus.
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You're mixing up God the Father with God the Son.

Proverbs 30:4 Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!
 
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Impartial in your judgments? Another misnomer WE are to judge ALL things by the word of GOD pal......not be IMPARTIAL..........and the bolded is exactly what you have done every time you have engaged me in this thread

And to the UNDERLINED....this thread is NOT about any other religion than ISLAM........and he has CONSISTENTLY devalued Christianity while promoting ISLAM.....wake up pal
Why do you believe Muslims are more evil than those practicing other false religions?
 
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Wish he would have said Before Adam was I am.But that would have confused people more cause he never said himself "I am God nor worship me"
If He was before Abraham, doesn't that at least imply He is more than a man (although yet fully man? ) Why is there a difference in your eyes between being "before Adam" or "before Abraham"? Both would be impossible for any man of that time. Jesus said "before Abraham", because the Jews viewed themselves as better than the gentiles, and held Abraham to be their patriarch, rather than Adam. Which is why Jesus used Abraham, rather than Adam. But before even Adam, Jesus was.
 

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surprisingly though neither nor the Bible says about him saying"I am GOd,or worship me" but surely says him to be prophet.Muslims get confused when see chrisitanity based on what he didn't say nor preached and neglect of what he did say and preached.He sai I came ot revive the law,and never ate pork but christians have no worry about this.But any way this is thier business.What was the first miracle Jesus performed?
Oh yes, Jesus clearly demonstrated, then declared Himself to be God, the God of Israel. Many times. In many ways. Men bowed down and paid worship, as did demons. So did nature and the natural forces beckon to His Command.

Christ was then fully God and Lord, though born by a woman born to flesh.
 
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Muslims have an insurmountable problem. Two actually. They are not Jews, nor are they Christians. Utterly devoid of Covenant or fellowship.

Repent and be saved by believing in God the Son Jesus Christ the One and only Savior of the world.
Muslims are in the same position as Jews (believing they are in a covenant with God by the faith of their father Abraham). They put their faith in adherence to good works, but it can never be enough to save them from the perfection that God's absolute righteousness requires.
 
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You r not speaking truth.But if Quran was copied from Bible it would have same mistakes as Bible but it does'nt.Quran has a lot on Jesus ,unchanged n original from day one,a chapter on Mary.Yescthis is true I m lucky I m given even an audience,seeing arrogance n intolerance to non Christian's that caused billions of human beings to die as in inquests,crusades,slavery,colonization,holocaust n now wars for profit,it sure is surprising.Thank you for your kindness.
Just as many here inaccurately blame the murders of Christians on all Muslims, as the murders were committed by those calling themselves Muslims, it is likewise inaccurate to blame the murders of others on all Christians, because those murders were committed by some calling themselves Christians. Sadly, many (who I believe are) Christians, do not call out the perpetrators of the holocausts, wars for profit, colonisation, slavery etc. for being false.

But Jesus said to love your neighbour as yourself. I don't see how taking part in a holocaust, or war for profit, or even supporting such, is obeying this second commandment of Christ.
 
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Why do you believe Muslims are more evil than those practicing other false religions?
I never said that or even implied that........quote me where I said or implied that.....false is false and I know many in false religions and none of them embrace the level of depravity that Islam does......
 

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Muslims are in the same position as Jews (believing they are in a covenant with God by the faith of their father Abraham). They put their faith in adherence to good works, but it can never be enough to save them from the perfection that God's absolute righteousness requires.
“Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.”
It is by Isaac and a very specific lineage thereafter that were foreordained to be the chosen sons and servants of the Most High God.
 
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Look......Islam has blinded you to the actual truth....JESUS/the Word of God proves who he is.......

ALL things were created BY HIM and FOR HIM and he is BEFORE all things.

Let US make man in our IMAGE

The Father judgeth NO MAN, but hath committed all judgment unto the SON <---I saw the dead stand before GOD and the books were opened and they were judge out of those things written in the books

BEFORE ABRAHAM was I AM

MOSES <---who shall I say sent me <---Tell them I AM hath sent thee

He is the ICON of the invisible GOD

I and my FATHER are ONE

In beginning was the word, the word was WITH GOD and the WORD WAS GOD
THE WORD came to be flesh and DWELT AMONG US and we BEHELD HIS GLORY

I can go on ALL day PAL.........JESUS IS GOD and he will JUDGE YOU at the GREAT WHITE THRONE judgment or the JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST.........your KNEES will crack and you WILL BOW and you WILL CONFESS to his glory.......

If judged at the GREAT WHITE THRONE.....bad day for YOU......I suggest you acknowledge him by faith and make the bolded above.....whole lot better day!
I want to reiterate the above.......the bible clearly states that JESUS is the creator of ALL things.......JESUS IS GOD