Fair point. God said to
Fair point - God said to Adam - "Where are you?" That wasn't a sign that He didn't know.
But I've been making a more fundamental point here. The idea that Jesus was admonishing them suggests they were doing something wrong. This seems to undermine the Calvinists' position that God initiates everything.
Fair point - God said to Adam - "Where are you?" That wasn't a sign that He didn't know.
But I've been making a more fundamental point here. The idea that Jesus was admonishing them suggests they were doing something wrong. This seems to undermine the Calvinists' position that God initiates everything.
Hi Andrew,
Your fundamental point actually isn't a point concerning those who are reformed. . Because, your making your point against something Calvinists don't believe.
Has man through Adam inherited a sinful nature? Yes.
Is man responsible for his own evil actions and moral inability? Yes.
Just those two points alone should hopefully help 🤔
Yes man makes his own choices every single second of the day. But any of those 'moral' choices will ultimately be an out flowing of his nature, the natural man wills from a will that is in bondage to sin. His/her choices are totally theirs.
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” They answered him, “We are offspring of Abraham and have never been enslaved to anyone. How is it that you say, ‘You will become free’?” Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. ... John 8:31ff
And
And you were kdead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following m the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in n the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in o the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Eph 2:1ff
Of course good news is Jesus himself. He brought in the new exodus liberating those who are his from this evil world (kingdom) and takes them to the promised land (God's kingdom and the future hope of eternal life in christ in the new heavens and earth and the new Jerusalem).
Basically:
So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed 8:36
We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. Rom 6:6
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. Rom 6:22
Anyhow, have to go.. Hopefully anything I have said has been helpful to you.. At the least you have truer understanding of reformed thought. 👍👍
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