Is drinking alcohol a sin?

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superdave5221

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Let me first address the fact that some people feel that there was lesser alcohol content in the wine used in Jesus' time. Granted distillation did not exist, as far as we know.
The distillation process does enhance the alcohol content. However, the fermentation process produces enough alcohol to get drunk. In fact, the lower acohol levels for them would have been the same as our higher levels are for us. Let me explain.

Our bodies produce an enzyme called alcohol dehydrogenase, (AD), which detoxifies the alcohol we consume. It is the amounts of AD in our body, along with how much we have had to eat, that determines our vulnerability to getting drunk. Our size has nothing to do with it, that is a myth. Food in our stomach to dilute the alcohol is important because alcohol is one of just a few things that are absorbed directly from the stomach into our blood, most foods waiting till the intestines for absorbtion. The point is that the body responds to alcohol by producing AD. In the beginning, there is little to none, that why we get so drunk the first time we drink. Through time, our bodies slowly increases it's ability to produce AD. That is why people who have been drinking for years can drink more without getting drunk. The reduced amounts of AD in those people of Jesus' time (because it's production would not be stimulated as greatly), would mean that they would be just as able to get drunk on the lesser amounts of alcohol content, as we are. It is all relative!

Now consider the following verse. Jesus is speaking:

Luke 7: 33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." '

There is no way that an honest person can interpret this passage without the realization that Jesus admits to drinking fermented wine. If Jesus did it, it is NOT sin!
 
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Graybeard

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It is not the act of drinking that is the sin..it is the act of disobedience to God whilst under the influence of alcohol that is sin.
besides, I don't think we will ever know exactly the quantity that Jesus would have drunk...to the extent that He became drunk?...I really doubt that.
 
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superdave5221

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It is not the act of drinking that is the sin..it is the act of disobedience to God whilst under the influence of alcohol that is sin.
besides, I don't think we will ever know exactly the quantity that Jesus would have drunk...to the extent that He became drunk?...I really doubt that.
I agree. I don't think Jesus got drunk either. And neither should we. But as for moderate drinking, who is to say?
 
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Graybeard

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Some Christians have no problem going for a drink or two in a bar/club, this I feel is wrong, wrong..because that can and does cause those that are unbelievers or even Christians of week faith to stumble. A bar/club is Satans playground, just look at all his followers that frequent these places so why would any Christian want to rub shoulders with the devil?
 
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wwjd_kilden

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agree

alcohol enjoyed with respect is ok
getting drunk is not

alcohol is just as dangerous and bad as any other thing if abused
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Some Christians have no problem going for a drink or two in a bar/club, this I feel is wrong, wrong..because that can and does cause those that are unbelievers or even Christians of week faith to stumble. A bar/club is Satans playground, just look at all his followers that frequent these places so why would any Christian want to rub shoulders with the devil?

that would depend on the bar....
 
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Yes a true christian wouldnt go to a club or bar.
 
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FixYourWeave

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I dont believe in drinking at all, dehydration is for the godly.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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Some Christians have no problem going for a drink or two in a bar/club, this I feel is wrong, wrong..because that can and does cause those that are unbelievers or even Christians of week faith to stumble. A bar/club is Satans playground, just look at all his followers that frequent these places so why would any Christian want to rub shoulders with the devil?
You sound like a Pharisee!

Jesus hung around with sinners,
In fact, He even went and ate at some of their houses.

I know this lady that is a bartender and she is a Christian.
She gets a lot of people like you who judge her for her job.
But do you know,
She shares Jesus with at least 15 people a night.

God can move in a bar, He is not limited by darkness!
I say,
Go to the bar and see what God can do!
Let your light shine!

Who knows you may save a soul!


 
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Aliciaforjesus

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I believe drinking is not a sin, but being drunk is!
If you loose control of yourself.

I think Jesus was a responsible drinker,
He did not get drunk.

You can drink one drink and not do anything to sin while your drinking, if you can't than don't drink!

If you think that it will offend someone, don't do it!
 
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bluebutterfly

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In my opinion i am against drinking, but i do not judge i just leave the judging about to God as that is his job to judge not mine.Just the way I feel God bless
 
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FixYourWeave

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In my opinion i am against drinking, but i do not judge i just leave the judging about to God as that is his job to judge not mine.Just the way I feel God bless

I like to judge others. Makes my day go by faster
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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You sound like a Pharisee!

Jesus hung around with sinners,
In fact, He even went and ate at some of their houses.

I know this lady that is a bartender and she is a Christian.
She gets a lot of people like you who judge her for her job.
But do you know,
She shares Jesus with at least 15 people a night.

God can move in a bar, He is not limited by darkness!
I say,
Go to the bar and see what God can do!
Let your light shine!

Who knows you may save a soul!


Let's see... loud obnoxious music, mass consumption of alcohol, raging tempers not to mention raging hormones of another kind. Who has time time to effectively witness with all that going on? The club is definitely no place for a weak christian that's for sure. God may not be limited however we as responsible christians should be aware of our own limitations.

As for drinking, the apostle Paul, who gave us instruction to be sober minded also instructed Timothy to have a glass of wine for medical purposes. If a purpose can drink one or two and stop then I don't see a problem with the person drinking one or two. However if you had a drinking problem in the past and you fear that you may not be able to control yourself, then it is wise not to drink at all.
 
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Graybeard

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You sound like a Pharisee!

Jesus hung around with sinners,
In fact, He even went and ate at some of their houses.

I know this lady that is a bartender and she is a Christian.
She gets a lot of people like you who judge her for her job.
But do you know,
She shares Jesus with at least 15 people a night.

God can move in a bar, He is not limited by darkness!
I say,
Go to the bar and see what God can do!
Let your light shine!

Who knows you may save a soul!


That is a completely different situation, that is her place of work, that is where she earns her bread & butter. She is in that environment not necessarily by choice, she chooses to use that to witness for Jesus...fantastic!, we are all supposed to be a witness regardless of our workplace environment, do you?..she is doing nothing different albeit more challenging.
What I'm saying is to go into those environments by choice for recreational purposes just for good times/laughs and with Christ neatly tucked away, no intention of glorifying God but only self indulgence.
I don't think Jesus "partied" with sinners etc....His intentions where different, why would the Word say that we must come out from among them??...is the Word now contradicting itself??...no way! for scripture says:

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,


I believe drinking is not a sin, but being drunk is!
If you loose control of yourself.

I think Jesus was a responsible drinker,
He did not get drunk.

You can drink one drink and not do anything to sin while your drinking, if you can't than don't drink!

If you think that it will offend someone, don't do it!
So do you agree on my previous post?...appears the same thing! except the word teaches us not to cause anyone to stumble..not if we THINK we might offend someone.
It is not the act of drinking that is the sin..it is the act of disobedience to God whilst under the influence of alcohol that is sin.
besides, I don't think we will ever know exactly the quantity that Jesus would have drunk...to the extent that He became drunk?...I really doubt that.
 
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carpetmanswife

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Evil communications corrupt good manners 1 cor. 15:33 in the greek communications here in this verse refers to companions. in other words watch the company you keep, beware that they dont rub off on you instead of you rubbing off on them..*south Georgia paraphrased* :D Neither give place to the devil ephesians 4:27 simply put some people can handle the bar scene some cannot...if you cant... DONT!! thats not being a pharisee ...its called using wisdom
quite frankly , dont know why a person would want to go in a bar in the first place but hey...thats me * shrugs*
sorry guys just throwing my two cents worth in :) carry on:p
 
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tryingtofindhim

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It depends on your motive behind drinking and make sure you don't drink too much.
 

Kathleen

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i veiw alchohol, just like i veiw food - in some aspects.

food, eaten moderatly is fine, to overindulge in food, it is gluttoney - a sin.

alchohol, drunk mosestly is fine, to overinndugle in alchohol, is to get drunk..a sin.

however, a human has no physical reaction, or need for alchohol, like it does with sleep, water and food...

so i dont feel it is needed at all, and i intend not to drink...

.. :D ..
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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Let's see... loud obnoxious music, mass consumption of alcohol, raging tempers not to mention raging hormones of another kind. Who has time time to effectively witness with all that going on? The club is definitely no place for a weak christian that's for sure. God may not be limited however we as responsible christians should be aware of our own limitations.

As for drinking, the apostle Paul, who gave us instruction to be sober minded also instructed Timothy to have a glass of wine for medical purposes. If a purpose can drink one or two and stop then I don't see a problem with the person drinking one or two. However if you had a drinking problem in the past and you fear that you may not be able to control yourself, then it is wise not to drink at all.

Those who are led by the Spirit to the bar will see God move.
But those who think they are doing God a service by going to the bar will be chewed up and spit out.


 
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