Is drinking alcohol a sin?
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I believe some people replace God with alcohol to get through there problems.... I've done this a few times and Im not proud of it.People use alot of things to substitute God.I think drinking to celebrate a happy occasion and drinking out of sadness and depression are different one is good and the other is bad.
G
I am very wary of spiritual bullies.
I once had a junior pastor tell me I was a stumbling block to him. I forget the exact issue but it was one of three things.
My beard or my untidy hair or lack of a tie. I kid you not!!!! (he was always on about these - no not the beard)
(I still remember the Christian camp I went on where some young guy was told it is not Christian to let someone else wear your hat. Or the publication I once saw that said a good Christian will set their cutlery a certain way at the dinner table.
I once had a junior pastor tell me I was a stumbling block to him. I forget the exact issue but it was one of three things.
My beard or my untidy hair or lack of a tie. I kid you not!!!! (he was always on about these - no not the beard)
(I still remember the Christian camp I went on where some young guy was told it is not Christian to let someone else wear your hat. Or the publication I once saw that said a good Christian will set their cutlery a certain way at the dinner table.
C
I think there is a difference between the one who is truly weak in faith and those who use the issue for manipulation. Shouldn't (with a few exceptions) a Christian mature and come to the point where they are not so easily offended and thrown off the path. For instance, part of God's calling on my life is to be absolutely alcohol free. Choosing to obey that call has been a very good choice in my life. I do not believe it is a matter of right or wrong, nor am I offended that others imbibe. What I see is some who use these issues to bully and condemn. I think there are good reasons not to drink and I believe that there are good reasons to drink (i.e. anything that can be recieved with thanksgiving). I would argue the benefits of sobriety and even abstinence, but it isn't a stumbling block to me.
M
nope. Drink away. The bible says drunkness is sinful, but since we are all saved and cant lose our salvation, it doesn't matter 
Ephesians 5:18, "Be not drunk with wine, in which is excess, but be filled with the Spirit."
God has started a good work in those that are truly saved and will finish it and to say that
it doesnt matter if we sin is complete blasphemy.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous[1] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[2]
1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
you need to examine yourself because God has called us to righteousness,not wickedness.
M
Graybeard is absolutely correct and the reason you get so defensive is you know you are wrong.
Proverbs 1:7 says, "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
You need to evaluate the stand you have taken in supporting and protecting the reputation of wicked places.I used to make myself believe the same things you do but if there is no reason for you to be there
other than people meeting each other(unsaved with lost) than you should not be there.2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
If you are talking about going to christian hardcore/metal show than that is different because there is
alcohol there but chances are you are with christians and it is serving a purpose that is not wrong.The purpose is enough to give people a moral reason to be there but if you are talking about going to clubs and being around people who are drinking,and that is their main reason for being there is quote on quote socializing (actually trying to pick up men or women)than that is absoulutely wrong.
G
That's great!...but do you think it prudent to have that beer in a pub where you could easily drink it at home.
On the other hand, if I read you is that it was sought of on the spot tight chest had to try it right now..then sure...nothing wrong, unless everyday you had tight chest problems
BTW I try to base my thinking biblically with regard to my previous post.
On the other hand, if I read you is that it was sought of on the spot tight chest had to try it right now..then sure...nothing wrong, unless everyday you had tight chest problems
BTW I try to base my thinking biblically with regard to my previous post.
I am not sure what(or whose) particular post triggered my previous post.
"18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. " Ephesians 5:18
Here it is very clear that God does not want us to get drunk on anything except for the Holy Spirit. I do not mean by this that the Holy Spirit is literally going to make us drunk as the world knows drunkeness. I think it stand for the joy people are seeking in being drunk but only real joy is in the holy spirit. But so this is enough for me to know that being drunk is not Gods plan. I also think we should be able to testify of the Gospel always, and how can we do that when we are drunk and losing control over ourselves. I've been there myself. When I just became a christian I did not know everything about God and how it all worked (I don't even do now, although I know a lot more). But I was fullllll of Jesus, I was talking about Him al day long. So one night me and some friend went for a drink. Although I did not intend to get drunk (I did not drink to get drunk) I did go a little overboard. So I did got a bit tipsy (as they say) and then I tried to explain the gospel to a friend I have known from highschool. I felt sooooo ashamed afterwards and repented of it. The guy must have thought I was crazy because I was stumbling over Words and had no idea what i was saying. That was my turning point and I decided never to drink more than I can handle. Which stops at 2 wines or something. But mostly I drink wine with dinner, and I drink slow so.
I still don't believe that drinking is a sin, but drinking to much is. What I did stumbled over was a comment someone gave here:
We go drinken and even dancing with people from church. Doesn't the bible says that Jesus was among drunkards and sinners? I don't mean to say with this that He was only going around partying. but I do think He was shining His light in the places with most darkness. I stumble over this sorts of commenst (as above) because people seem to think bars and clubs are far more bad places then just the streets we walk through and the stores we go through. And that is not true. This world is in darkness overal. And I think if we are staying out of such places the light won't shine there at all. What I truely do think is that we should not go out to go out for the things the world goes out for. People go dancing to get attention, to flirt and to drink. I go out for dancing (because I love it) and show the world that Christians aren't afraid to be who they are. I've had some interesting conversations while being in a bar about God. I even prayed with people. God is working there! I think if we draw ourselves back satan only gets more victory there (although he will never have full vicotry over God). But I must admid for some people it is not smart to go out because some are weaker at these points and cannot keep themselves togehter. For me that does not seem the issue, nor does it for my friends. When I feel that I tend to go out with a purpose which is a sin, I would not go.
Anyways so far on drinking and going to bars!
Here it is very clear that God does not want us to get drunk on anything except for the Holy Spirit. I do not mean by this that the Holy Spirit is literally going to make us drunk as the world knows drunkeness. I think it stand for the joy people are seeking in being drunk but only real joy is in the holy spirit. But so this is enough for me to know that being drunk is not Gods plan. I also think we should be able to testify of the Gospel always, and how can we do that when we are drunk and losing control over ourselves. I've been there myself. When I just became a christian I did not know everything about God and how it all worked (I don't even do now, although I know a lot more). But I was fullllll of Jesus, I was talking about Him al day long. So one night me and some friend went for a drink. Although I did not intend to get drunk (I did not drink to get drunk) I did go a little overboard. So I did got a bit tipsy (as they say) and then I tried to explain the gospel to a friend I have known from highschool. I felt sooooo ashamed afterwards and repented of it. The guy must have thought I was crazy because I was stumbling over Words and had no idea what i was saying. That was my turning point and I decided never to drink more than I can handle. Which stops at 2 wines or something. But mostly I drink wine with dinner, and I drink slow so.
I still don't believe that drinking is a sin, but drinking to much is. What I did stumbled over was a comment someone gave here:
We go drinken and even dancing with people from church. Doesn't the bible says that Jesus was among drunkards and sinners? I don't mean to say with this that He was only going around partying. but I do think He was shining His light in the places with most darkness. I stumble over this sorts of commenst (as above) because people seem to think bars and clubs are far more bad places then just the streets we walk through and the stores we go through. And that is not true. This world is in darkness overal. And I think if we are staying out of such places the light won't shine there at all. What I truely do think is that we should not go out to go out for the things the world goes out for. People go dancing to get attention, to flirt and to drink. I go out for dancing (because I love it) and show the world that Christians aren't afraid to be who they are. I've had some interesting conversations while being in a bar about God. I even prayed with people. God is working there! I think if we draw ourselves back satan only gets more victory there (although he will never have full vicotry over God). But I must admid for some people it is not smart to go out because some are weaker at these points and cannot keep themselves togehter. For me that does not seem the issue, nor does it for my friends. When I feel that I tend to go out with a purpose which is a sin, I would not go.
Anyways so far on drinking and going to bars!
M
just finished a complete biblical study of this very subject with scripture and adequate cross reference.
TO POINT
NOT MY BELIEFS
NOT MY DOCTRINE
But the Word of God in Depth on this subject. What you do with it is up to you.. I have seen many times that folks prefer to believe what they want even when scripture tells them they are wrong or worse they will take a text out of context to justify there own comfortable feeling of righteousness.
I hope we all leave our opinions and philosophy at the door and the belief systems we were taught by our parents and the church we attended and stick to the open mind that God gave us to be enlightened.
Many good points have been raised in this thread!
I hope you read! Please do! www.theadhdblogger.blogspot.com
TO POINT
NOT MY BELIEFS
NOT MY DOCTRINE
But the Word of God in Depth on this subject. What you do with it is up to you.. I have seen many times that folks prefer to believe what they want even when scripture tells them they are wrong or worse they will take a text out of context to justify there own comfortable feeling of righteousness.
I hope we all leave our opinions and philosophy at the door and the belief systems we were taught by our parents and the church we attended and stick to the open mind that God gave us to be enlightened.
Many good points have been raised in this thread!
I hope you read! Please do! www.theadhdblogger.blogspot.com
S
There was a certain Bible School, a good school in the Northeast US, that had been around for decades and trained up student / believers to go into full time missionary work. Over time some of the policies had changed. Teachers were permitted to socially drink alcoholic beverages and the dorms, that had been seperated, now were in the same building and the students were permitted to interact within that setting. Students became promiscuious and started secretly drinking alcohol in the dorms.
When this happened the administration dealt with a few but it became a practice from year to year. Within a few years the student body enrollment declined and teachers began to leave and make themselves available to other schools. Eventually the school closed and never reopened. Think of it. They were at one time a full fledge missionary school sending graduates out into the missionfield and because of a policy change that permitted alcohol and promiscuity, it no longer exists. Did God get any glory out of that policy change that allowed teachers and students to make a provision for their flesh? -OR- Did the devil and his confederated host have a place given to them to raise havoc and destroy the work and ministry of that Bible School?
Some will not take this seriously and will not consider the ramifications of making a provision for the flesh and fulfilling the lusts thereof / Rom 13:14. Alcohol is a tremendous temptation socially and otherwise. It is an outside substance that is introduced into the blood stream and is carried to the cells of the brain where it has free course to alter, exaggerate and distort many of the normal and natural functions of the mind, emotions, conscience and volition of man, not to mention the various organs over long term use or an abundance of use that overloads the blood stream that can lead to death. Please don't try to convince others that drinking alcohol is not something that those who live in the world do not indulge in aggressively and identify with socially as part of their lifestyle and acceptance with others. Didn't God call us out of the world and to not love the world neither the things that are in the world / Jn 15:19, 1Jn 2:15.
When this happened the administration dealt with a few but it became a practice from year to year. Within a few years the student body enrollment declined and teachers began to leave and make themselves available to other schools. Eventually the school closed and never reopened. Think of it. They were at one time a full fledge missionary school sending graduates out into the missionfield and because of a policy change that permitted alcohol and promiscuity, it no longer exists. Did God get any glory out of that policy change that allowed teachers and students to make a provision for their flesh? -OR- Did the devil and his confederated host have a place given to them to raise havoc and destroy the work and ministry of that Bible School?
Some will not take this seriously and will not consider the ramifications of making a provision for the flesh and fulfilling the lusts thereof / Rom 13:14. Alcohol is a tremendous temptation socially and otherwise. It is an outside substance that is introduced into the blood stream and is carried to the cells of the brain where it has free course to alter, exaggerate and distort many of the normal and natural functions of the mind, emotions, conscience and volition of man, not to mention the various organs over long term use or an abundance of use that overloads the blood stream that can lead to death. Please don't try to convince others that drinking alcohol is not something that those who live in the world do not indulge in aggressively and identify with socially as part of their lifestyle and acceptance with others. Didn't God call us out of the world and to not love the world neither the things that are in the world / Jn 15:19, 1Jn 2:15.
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