Is God A Moral Monster?

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Well if you mean from spear to rifle then sure. But if you mean from ape to man then no.
It would apoear that apes and humans shared a common ancestor. And it is a fact that there were different species of man. Neanderthals, for instance. Are you denying the science?
 

NayborBear

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Maybe that just adds to the fact that we're in a relationship when we are in Christ. And as such each person in that relationship understands their partner, God, in their own way. And due to God knowing precisely how to communicate through the surface of His word in print on the Bible page, while the deeper message meant for that one reading is uniquely for them by God's will.
Or perhaps? Many "believers", wouldn't recognize, or refuse to recognize a "spiritual gift", unless, or until it is displayed like some "introductory name tag", on one's lapel, eh?

Usually the case in any given "assemblage of believers?"(church of stone) Is that those "members", with "successful secular careers", are the ones in charge of how adherent, or how far "the church", moves beyond the "principle doctrines of Christ", towards "Spiritual maturity."

In some cases? Irregardless, of "the love of money", some of those "church leaders" may possess.

In aother extreme? The Pastor, er Preacher, can make appeals at such emotional levels, as to have the hearers falling all over themselves, throwing money at him, believing they will be all the more blessed by God in their doing so.
 

NayborBear

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the way you see it, one has to keep the Law and the Sabbath to be right with God.


your vision is highly questionable.....
Don't you find it "kinda" funny, that although "faithful servants of God", wrote "scroll upon scroll" of their "experiences" with God, during the times when those people were living?

That God would "all of a sudden" QUIT?

Famine of the "end times?" People not even having "the ability" to "hear" the Word of God, because traditions, and precepts of men, have made VOID the Word of God?

Joel 2
28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

Acts 2
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Can only tell ya what's a comin'.
Can't, nor won't make ya believes it.
Some things? A person just has to do for themselves.
Yanno?
 

Roughsoul1991

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It would apoear that apes and humans shared a common ancestor. And it is a fact that there were different species of man. Neanderthals, for instance. Are you denying the science?
You will have to show me the evidence. The fossil evidence as so far every so called transitional fossil has been debunked and the so called human transitional skeletons have been debunked by many scientists that they do in fact belong to the ape species not human. We have like 10 of these ancient human looking skeletons that was paraded as look the missing link. But all in time was debunked. The skulls and body plans in fact wasn't part of the human species.
 

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All I can say is that if we are not descended from the ape family, according to the previous post, then we must be a new creation as the Bible tells us.
This is a common misunderstanding. Moderns apes and humans are descended from distant ancestors. There is plenty of evidence.....have a look, it on their sites.
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/human-evolution.html
 

Roughsoul1991

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Yes and when was it published. Notice the picture is their interpretation of what the fossil looked like with skin and facial features. The Smithsonian museum is very pro Darwin and their views automatically push this theory. https://evolutionnews.org/2015/12/smithsonians_tr

Regardless though if we take the neanderthal for discussion. Scientists are viewing the same fossils and testing the same fossils. Scientists have 3 major views. 1. It is a transitional species from ape to man (of course for evolution to be true they would need 100s or 1000s of human transitional fossils) 2. It isnt human at all but animal. 3. It is actually human just regional circumstances created their slight differences as when we see African tribes that their culture and lifestyles shape their woman in men in odd ways.

Here is a counter view https://answersingenesis.org/human-evolution/neanderthal/our-worthy-ancestors

That is a young earth scientists theory. I am more old earth but it goes to show the fossils do not speak but only scientists do. And scientists have presuppositions and worldviews that often guide interpretation.

We must weigh all theories and in doing so I can easily say that Darwin evolution is the weakest.

Try reading Darwin's Doubt.
 

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Roughsoul1991

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This is a common misunderstanding. Moderns apes and humans are descended from distant ancestors. There is plenty of evidence.....have a look, it on their sites.
https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/human-evolution.html
So you are a product of a ancient chimp? And no that evidence is the same evidence for every other scientists who holds opposing theories.

Macro Evolution is anti Biblical. So my question is if God created the first humans then at what point does humans branch off to become chimps? Before even debating opposing science. In a Christian thread we must figure out how is that view Biblical?
 

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Or perhaps? Many "believers", wouldn't recognize, or refuse to recognize a "spiritual gift", unless, or until it is displayed like some "introductory name tag", on one's lapel, eh?

Usually the case in any given "assemblage of believers?"(church of stone) Is that those "members", with "successful secular careers", are the ones in charge of how adherent, or how far "the church", moves beyond the "principle doctrines of Christ", towards "Spiritual maturity."

In some cases? Irregardless, of "the love of money", some of those "church leaders" may possess.

In aother extreme? The Pastor, er Preacher, can make appeals at such emotional levels, as to have the hearers falling all over themselves, throwing money at him, believing they will be all the more blessed by God in their doing so.
Everyone is on their own path in the relationship. We are the flock and yet the flock is numbered by its member sheep. One Shepherd, one flock, one great and powerful loving Holy Spirit that speaks to each one as His own child. Because we are.
 

HQ

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friend please can you talk to me more about it? how do we know they are nephilim i
I want to see it

From the NASB:

Genesis 6 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Note: text within parenthesis are my comments/clarifications

1 Now it came about, when (human) men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God ( aka fallen angels) saw that the daughters of (human) men were [a]beautiful; and they (the fallen angels) took (human) wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not [b]strive with man forever, [c]because he also is flesh; [d]nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 The Nephilim (half human half fallen angel) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God (fallen angels ) came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved [e]in His heart. 7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the [f]sky; for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord. 9 These are the records of the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, [g]blameless in his [h]time; Noah walked with God. 10 Noah [i]became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11 Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.
 

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It would apoear that apes and humans shared a common ancestor. And it is a fact that there were different species of man. Neanderthals, for instance. Are you denying the science?
I am denying the science FALSELY SO CALLED. Just as the Bible instructs me to do so.

I suggest you do the same, BUT I KNOW YOU WONT. Cause you've been D-E-C-E-I-V-E-D. Only God can give you a new heart, thats what we DO KNOW, so I pray that happens.