Is God giving America up?

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In other words, you won't tell sinners that they need to repent?

Good to know...
How you jump to that conclusion from what I said to you there, only you will know
 

Lafftur

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#82
I'm not libertarian. I'm Christian, Christian is my only identity group. Being Christian I see this for what it is. I live here as a foreigner in this pagan empire. I do what I can civily to alleviate suffering where I can. So I speak Christian values and morals and the Gospel. And being that I have liberty to vote I try to vote wisely and support the values that I believe in. Understanding that it is only temporary, because who we vote for are also humans and generally also pagans. There is no faith to be had in this world or the pagans that govern. One day The king will return and destroy them all and establish his Kingdom here. Until then we are foreigners.
Tell me about the Love of God.... how have you experienced it?

I ask because we can only share with others what we have experienced and know.....
 

Magenta

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#83
Naturally, there will be many people here in this forum that tend to assume that how they
interpret the scripture, happens to coincide with what scripture also plainly says.
Do you count yourself among them?
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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#85
Which can make voting particularly difficult when you abhor all of the options... ;)
There is usually something about the platform of one or the other that is particularly abhorrent. Like abortion or this pornia promotion with homosexuality, that you can point to and say I'm voting against that.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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#86
Perhaps America has entered a phase of chastisement. National chastisement, if it leads to repentance can become a blessing.
God allowed Nebuchadnezzar to rule but he (God) still had the overarching authority. Our God still has authority now.

We can only do our best with the time we have until the righteous, divine monarchy descends on us from heaven.
But perhaps democracy is a god among us that needs to be judged? Did we have too much faith in it?

Mankind is simply incapable of self-governance.
We've proved that for 6000 years. Everything will eventually come to a head over our attempts to govern ourselves.
I think nation-states are closer to God's instructions than the accelerated misery of a global dictatorship though.

I'm praying The USA and the wider Western world can yet be salvaged enough to be used again for the purposes of our coming King.
 

Nehemiah6

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#87
Uh, what? No men get sucked in? Wow! How's that work? :unsure::giggle: Especially
considering Oprah promotes the ideologies and work of certain men...
I watched her show momentarily a few times (long ago). There was not a single man in her audience.
 
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#88
Tell me about the Love of God.... how have you experienced it?

I ask because we can only share with others what we have experienced and know.....
You ask about my experiences, which are subject to my perception, and my emotions, which can be deceiving.
What I know for sure is that God, by his Spirit has given me to believe and trust, and have faith in him by his word, which he had written to us about him. In which is written that in the beginning there was the word, and the word was with God and the word was God.
Now you confess to me, before God and the witnesses of this community; Jesus is the Lord, and is my savior. Outside of him there is no salvation.
 
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Uh, what? No men get sucked in? Wow! How's that work? :unsure::giggle: Especially
considering Oprah promotes the ideologies and work of certain men...
Her poison is directed at women. So some effeminate men may also be "sucked in".
 
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Blackpowderduelist

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#90
I don't have that problem... :)

"The Lord Jesus Christ is my savior, out side of him there is no salvation."

1 Corinthians 12:

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

"Jesus is Lord!"
Great. I love it. A brother positively ID'ed.

Jesus is the Lord. He is my savior, outside of him there is no salvation.

Bless God, for He is risen.
 

Blade

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History... When they came here they made a covenant with God. Now man may not keep it but God does. So let me guess God gave up on America because of sin and I am guessing theres some list of sins going from 1 being lying to 10 as in maybe Abortion, Homosexualty? So I will never leave you nor forsake you...unless your a nation that does not listen to me? We know the sinner has been judged already...hmm

Lets look at this for what it really is but you wont like it. Well do you know Yeshua/Jesus Christ that came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin and was buried rose the 3rd day and is the only way to the Father? Do you live in America? So if there is ANY kind of judgment coming it will be with His house first and that has not happened. Are you not the light of the world? When we speak its all recorded. So you know the problems sins darkness going on in this nation and YOU are the light of the world. What have you done about it? Been praying hours every day.. I mean its bad right? God gave up remember? You see it .. you spoke it.. and just what have you that has the living word in you done? Some go after each other playing the "whos right" game.

Any one of us can go to abortion places bind the enemy...pray love those people that the enemy has been lying to. For GOD so loved the world.. its the age of grace. This is why it seems as if GOD does not care. He seems to just let all this sin happen. Christ said.. He didn't come to condemn the world but to save it. Hes not here to POINT OUT your sin... He wants them to know HE IS THE ANSWER.. that HE took that sin away.. they are set free! GOOD NEWS. WHY come to Christ when His own children says GOD GAVE UP ON YOU! Not the sinners.. He never gave up on them...nor you.

This age of grace is coming to an end at some point. Lol even in the constitution...to say it simple....if you see something wrong.. you should stand up against it. Your the light of the world... you have the ear of a GOD! He listens to you ALWAYS.. and Hes even your Father because of what Christ has done. You see EVIL? Hello behold I gave you ALL POWER/AUTHORITY over the enemy.... nothing shall by any means hurt you. Not here to offend.. its late yet morning.. have not went to sleep yet so..forgive me not good with words.

God does lift His hand now and then but never once gave up on America. In this world sinner or saved person or nation if you sin in this world there is always a price. Speak words of life about this nation there are millions that don't know are blind need help so pray help them.. God promised to always take care of you. Just one of us....hello JESUS is enough light for the world. Don't make it about you what you know... give HIM all the glory and praise and thanks. If I offended forgive me. I do know something wonderful is about to happen.. no clue what that is.. NEVER do I try to speculate. Forgive me Father I stand in this nation I am to blame as much as any one else.. I stand like a wall in the gap for this nation...forgive me... In Jesus name
 
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History... When they came here they made a covenant with God. Now man may not keep it but God does. So let me guess God gave up on America because of sin and I am guessing theres some list of sins going from 1 being lying to 10 as in maybe Abortion, Homosexualty? So I will never leave you nor forsake you...unless your a nation that does not listen to me? We know the sinner has been judged already...hmm

Lets look at this for what it really is but you wont like it. Well do you know Yeshua/Jesus Christ that came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin and was buried rose the 3rd day and is the only way to the Father? Do you live in America? So if there is ANY kind of judgment coming it will be with His house first and that has not happened. Are you not the light of the world? When we speak its all recorded. So you know the problems sins darkness going on in this nation and YOU are the light of the world. What have you done about it? Been praying hours every day.. I mean its bad right? God gave up remember? You see it .. you spoke it.. and just what have you that has the living word in you done? Some go after each other playing the "whos right" game.

Any one of us can go to abortion places bind the enemy...pray love those people that the enemy has been lying to. For GOD so loved the world.. its the age of grace. This is why it seems as if GOD does not care. He seems to just let all this sin happen. Christ said.. He didn't come to condemn the world but to save it. Hes not here to POINT OUT your sin... He wants them to know HE IS THE ANSWER.. that HE took that sin away.. they are set free! GOOD NEWS. WHY come to Christ when His own children says GOD GAVE UP ON YOU! Not the sinners.. He never gave up on them...nor you.

This age of grace is coming to an end at some point. Lol even in the constitution...to say it simple....if you see something wrong.. you should stand up against it. Your the light of the world... you have the ear of a GOD! He listens to you ALWAYS.. and Hes even your Father because of what Christ has done. You see EVIL? Hello behold I gave you ALL POWER/AUTHORITY over the enemy.... nothing shall by any means hurt you. Not here to offend.. its late yet morning.. have not went to sleep yet so..forgive me not good with words.

God does lift His hand now and then but never once gave up on America. In this world sinner or saved person or nation if you sin in this world there is always a price. Speak words of life about this nation there are millions that don't know are blind need help so pray help them.. God promised to always take care of you. Just one of us....hello JESUS is enough light for the world. Don't make it about you what you know... give HIM all the glory and praise and thanks. If I offended forgive me. I do know something wonderful is about to happen.. no clue what that is.. NEVER do I try to speculate. Forgive me Father I stand in this nation I am to blame as much as any one else.. I stand like a wall in the gap for this nation...forgive me... In Jesus name
I'm not sure if I properly understood what you were attempting to say, but it reminded me of something that I heard someone say many years ago.

He said:

"It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."

In other words, so many people seem to do nothing but complain about how bad the world is, this nation is, our government is, etc., etc. (cursing the darkness) while not doing anything positive themselves (lighting a candle).

Darkness is the absence of light, and Christians are called to be "the light of the world".

Don't like the way that this world looks?

YOU (professing Christians) might be the real problem.
 

1ofthem

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Like Oprah Winfrey claiming to be Christian but then loudly and widely denying that there is only one way to the Father...
Yep, looks like she is failing that test.

Try it some time. Stop a conversation with a person you believe to be a pagan, a wolf in sheep's clothing, and look them in the eye, and say to them. " Jesus is the Lord and my savior, outside of him there is no salvation." Then tell them to repeat it back to you. Pagans get all squirmy and weird some even get angry. Its amazing how it works. It's like that confession has power.
I hope I'm not derailing this thread, but this is pretty interesting. I would like to try it with some of the prosperity televangelist and others to see their response. I guess, what I've saw is there seems to many folks out claiming Jesus is Lord and their Savior, but they are also deceiving and misleading others for some type of gain. Seems evident by their actions that their hearts are far from him.

1 Corinthians 12:

3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Yeah, I thought of that scripture as well when posting the other scripture that some honor him with their mouth but their heart is far from him. I've saw some folks call Jesus Lord and honor him with their lips, but with their actions they deny him. I can't judge people's hearts but I wonder if the previous verses I posted that Jesus said might fit in here, as well.

This is pretty interesting, but I'm going to stop derailing the thread, now. Sorry guys, I sometimes have trouble staying on topic...lol
 

1ofthem

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I'm not sure if I properly understood what you were attempting to say, but it reminded me of something that I heard someone say many years ago.

He said:

"It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."

In other words, so many people seem to do nothing but complain about how bad the world is, this nation is, our government is, etc., etc. (cursing the darkness) while not doing anything positive themselves (lighting a candle).

Darkness is the absence of light, and Christians are called to be "the light of the world".

Don't like the way that this world looks?

YOU (professing Christians) might be the real problem.
Good post... I guess, the saying... if we are not part of the solution, then we are part of the problem applies here as well.

Scripture says....Let your light so shine before men that they might see your good works and glorify the Father.

Anyways, good post and reminder for us all. Instead of sitting around doing nothing but griping about sin and bad mouthing sinners to hell...we should be out witnessing and showing others a light.

The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few.
 
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Good post... I guess, the saying... if we are not part of the solution, then we are part of the problem applies here as well.

Scripture says....Let your light so shine before men that they might see your good works and glorify the Father.

Anyways, good post and reminder for us all. Instead of sitting around doing nothing but griping about sin and bad mouthing sinners to hell...we should be out witnessing and showing others a light.

The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few.
I have science to aid in this endeavor, but 90% of the people on this site are afraid of it.
 

tourist

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#96
I believe that God is in the process of giving up the entire world. He said that never again will He destroy the earth by water. Next time He will use fire. No more Mr. Nice Guy apparently. :)
 
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Yep, looks like she is failing that test.

I hope I'm not derailing this thread, but this is pretty interesting. I would like to try it with some of the prosperity televangelist and others to see their response. I guess, what I've saw is there seems to many folks out claiming Jesus is Lord and their Savior, but they are also deceiving and misleading others for some type of gain. Seems evident by their actions that their hearts are far from him.


Yeah, I thought of that scripture as well when posting the other scripture that some honor him with their mouth but their heart is far from him. I've saw some folks call Jesus Lord and honor him with their lips, but with their actions they deny him. I can't judge people's hearts but I wonder if the previous verses I posted that Jesus said might fit in here, as well.

This is pretty interesting, but I'm going to stop derailing the thread, now. Sorry guys, I sometimes have trouble staying on topic...lol
Even those who "honor" the Lord with their mouths, they don't seem to ever make the whole confession. Or they will add some caveat or some explanation that waters it down. They just can't take a hard stand. How it seems to me, they muddy up the waters.
 
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Live4Him

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Good post... I guess, the saying... if we are not part of the solution, then we are part of the problem applies here as well.

Scripture says....Let your light so shine before men that they might see your good works and glorify the Father.

Anyways, good post and reminder for us all. Instead of sitting around doing nothing but griping about sin and bad mouthing sinners to hell...we should be out witnessing and showing others a light.

The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few.
This reminds me of another saying that I've heard:

"Everybody wants to change the world, but nobody wants to change themselves."

We're here for a purpose, and it's not to just sit around and gripe about what others are or are not doing.

Philippians chapter 2

[13] For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
[14] Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
[15] That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
[16] Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.
 

Magenta

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No, but I can see you would disagree, from our previous history in this forum.
So you do not believe that what you promote is correct?

If that is the case, why in the world would you promote it???

Your deflective denial makes no sense except to show you are in denial.
 

Magenta

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