Is God Good?

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John146

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Why pray "lead us not into temptation" if God doesn't do this?
I don’t, that’s a Jewish prayer concerning the coming physical kingdom. The twelve were taught to pray like this.
 
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No there is no problem. God created a perfect world and gave man f reewill. He chose to rebel and the world and everything in it suffered because of his choice. Therefore evil, sickness, calamity, choice. But one day Christ will come back and vanquish those who have rebelled against Him. Evil exists for a time. Not because God isn't powerful, not because He's not good. If He wasn't good He'd have killed man in the garden, buried him under the tree of life and be done with it.
Why would a good God create such a world? Why would he not give people a holy will not to sin if he is all-powerful?
 
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No, He didn't murder Himself. A child in Sunday school knows better. God didn't murder Christ. What cult are you a part of??
Did the Romans and Jews murder him? Or did he deserve death?
 

John146

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he problem is; why would God not stop evil if he is good? Or why would he not stop it if he is all-powerful? How can God be both all-powerful and good if evil exists?
He’s allowing Satan to rule right now. Satan is the god of this dark world. It’s all going to change at the return of Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords.
 
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I don’t, that’s a Jewish prayer concerning the coming physical kingdom. The twelve were taught to pray like this.
So you are never tempted to sin?
 
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He’s allowing Satan to rule right now. Satan is the god of this dark world. It’s all going to change at the return of Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords.
So God is not all-powerful? And Satan controls him?
 
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Why would a good God create such a world? Why would he not give people a holy will not to sin if he is all-powerful?

Oh my word. Sunday school 101. God gave man free will to choose to love Him. Would you rather your spouse love you of their own will, or because you forced them to? He has given man every chance to commune with Him. It's a choice He has given mankind.
 

John146

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So you are never tempted to sin?
I am tempted through my own lusts.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
 
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Oh my word. Sunday school 101. God gave man free will to choose to love Him. Would you rather your spouse love you of their own will, or because you forced them to? He has given man every chance to commune with Him. It's a choice He has given mankind.
Jesus says the will is not free. But a slave of Satan.
 
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So you are never tempted to sin?

When you are tempted to sin it is satan that tempts, not God. Otherwise God is nothing but a hypocrite and cruel to boot.
 
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I am tempted through my own lusts.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
But God never put you in a situation where you gave in?
 

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Why would a good God create such a world? Why would he not give people a holy will not to sin if he is all-powerful?
That would make us robots. God wants us to love and serve Him not because we love Him and not because we have too.
 

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Did the Romans and Jews murder him? Or did he deserve death?
He took upon our sins and payed the price by dying on the cross. The truth is, I murdered Jesus but He is compassionate and merciful and forgave me.
 
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When you are tempted to sin it is satan that tempts, not God. Otherwise God is nothing but a hypocrite and cruel to boot.
But why pray for God not to lead you to Satan to be tempted unless he does so? How about Job?
 
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God has simply chosen not to use His power in that capacity yet. It’s coming.
Then he is not all-powerful? And remains that way because he never changes?
 
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But he leads people into positions where their lust overcomes them.
I’m curious, what is your angle? It’s like you seem to agree with the Bible, but question the source. What demons do you face that you feel you have no power and authority over? All sin is in the flesh. It’s really that simple. We all have to choose which master we will serve, either God or flesh. Man is flesh and spirit. Which ever part you feed, grows stronger. If you CHOOSE to eat what you crave, drink what you crave and view what you crave, then you are feeding the flesh. The flesh is never satisfied. For chemical reasons that I could explain, the more excitement you get, the harder it is to reach again, so it causes a very serious addiction to pleasure. Surpassing the natural consumption of the basic programmed needs for survival (food especially glucose, sex and acceptance) we create an addiction feedback loop. Refined sugar, pornography and social media have perfectly fed these “needs” in abundance to the point where they control us (serving the flesh). God created the system for survival. In nature animals eat when they’re hungry, mate when the cues for reproduction are evident (smells) and belong in groups. This is why they stay on course with their God planned design. They kill to eat, not murder for greed. They mate for reproduction, not entertainment and don’t spend countless hours trying to get “likes” and followers on social media. They serve God by keeping nature balanced. When we take a dog and teach him right from wrong, he is eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The consequence is that he no longer fulfills his intended design. That’s what makes him gluttonous and attention starved. Subsequently he no longer feels the programming of his DNA to serve God, to help control weak populations of other animals. Instead if barks or runs after another animal he is reprimanded. This new programming causes guilt. Because from birth he was trained, he “was born into sin”. Because we are part of this society that teaches us to stockpile wealth, lust after every woman in a short skirt and have large groups of friends we too are born into sin. The programming of God is muted. When we starve the flesh long enough, it returns to baseline. The lack of guilt opens up a frequency atuned to the Holy Spirit where we can once again hear God, to serve Him. Renewing of the mind.
Why pray "lead us not into temptation" if God doesn't do this?
You don’t have to sin when you’re tempted. However most wont sin unless they’re tempted. It’s basically saying, “Lead my path around ways that may tempt me.” So if you struggle with an overactive libido, make sure the only job offer isn’t at a place highly populated with sexy people. Understand that languages when translated don’t always follow the same grammatical patterns as English. It doesn’t mean God was intentionally going to guide us through paths that trip us. It was just asking for His mercy to intentionally clear the path we are walking on.