Is God GOOD?

[jmlidea]

Why do we deserve SO MUCH punishment? Why does a child born into this world DESERVE death? What is SO WICKED about a mother loving her daughter that she would steal bread to feed her? What is the matter with this world? I think we're not quite there yet, but we're getting better!

 

[Crazy4GODword]

My friend who started this thread. What you are telling us is you know what is good also your judging whether God is good. How do you know what is good? What God does is good not what we think is good. I do believe you have deceived yourself thinking you know what is good.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I said he didn't have to be, but if you want
The inter planet, every war he ordered his profits to make, the Eygptian children, and some others that I can't remember off hand.
And even though a few of those are slightly justified, there were still innocent people who died.

No one is innocent.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Oh and when he killed a bunch of people because they thought he was killing to many people.
I would say it's wrong that I find the irony in that funny, but God did it so it's fine

God ordering the death of a person isn't an act of murder. Killing, sure, but it is not murder. Murder is an immoral killing, where as killing is the ending of life whehter it be human, animal, plant, or your car engine.

 

[Ariel82]

My friend who started this thread. What you are telling us is you know what is good also your judging whether God is good. How do you know what is good? What God does is good not what we think is good. I do believe you have deceived yourself thinking you know what is good.

nah he has deceived himself into thinking he and the rest of humanity is BETTER than God, because he has constructed an idol of his own imagination and pretends it is the One True God.

 

[CDavid]

God loves sinners so much "He gave His only begotten Son" He did this while we were yet sinners.

 

[jmlidea]

How do you know what is good?

It's wrong to unleash hungry bears upon 42 children, killing them.
It's wrong to order your prophets to tie up their children then stab them to death as a SIGN of allegiance.
It's wrong to kill every person on the planet when things don't go your way.
It's wrong to make examples by killing children (Like in Daniel 6:24)

I could be wrong, I'll admit... I don't know God's mind... these examples could be very good things (if you're a god), I don't know.

 

[Crazy4GODword]

It's wrong to unleash hungry bears upon 42 children, killing them.
It's wrong to order your prophets to tie up their children then stab them to death as a SIGN of allegiance.
It's wrong to kill every person on the planet when things don't go your way.
It's wrong to make examples by killing children (Like in Daniel 6:24)

I could be wrong, I'll admit... I don't know God's mind... these examples could be very good things (if you're a god), I don't know.

In daniel, for the wife and the children were killed because of their husbands sins for trying to accuse daniel. You can't blame God for that. It was those men's fault for taking such a risk of making Daniel look bad to the poin of losing their family along with thei life. Their sins caused them to take that high of a risk. The king ordered them to he thrown btw not God. And with man corruption you think if the whole world if it were filled with rapists murderers and theifs would be good? Consquences come with sins. No one is free from consequences God doesn't play favorites. If you had a child who was disobedient, the loving choice is to disipline the child. Stop with your reasoning and humble yourself to truth.

 

[jmlidea]

God loves sinners so much "He gave His only begotten Son" He did this while we were yet sinners.

I don't understand how letting Jesus die a horrible death is somehow going to free anyone... actually, I take that back. Jesus took OUR place on the cross, or he traded places with us, in order to SAVE us from the VENGEFUL NATURE of his Father in heaven? So, God is going to destroy humanity but doesn't want to, so instead God becomes man so that he can die on a cross and take our place, and now all we have to do is trust in this strange event if we want to be saved from God's wrath... A) it doesn't sound like Jesus dying on the cross saved EVERYONE, just those who believe in him. and B) wouldn't it have been easier for God to just say "I'm not going to kill you guys"

 

[jmlidea]

nah he has deceived himself into thinking he and the rest of humanity is BETTER than God, because he has constructed an idol of his own imagination and pretends it is the One True God.

prove me wrong

 

[creationist74]

Hello jmlidea,

that is your opinion. It is not mine. If you believe in the law of force, then I cannot help you.

 

[jmlidea]

In daniel, for the wife and the children were killed because of their husbands sins for trying to accuse daniel. You can't blame God for that.

God commanded his angels to hold the mouths of the lions to keep Daniel safe. By God's command, the lions were kept from eating Daniel. Now, you can say that as soon as Daniel was out of the room, God called his angels back and the lions were free to eat whomever fell into the den, but it just so happens that their next meal would be some women and children... I mean, who's responsible for their deaths? Their dad, who sinned? The lion, who was just being a lion? Or God, who was holding the lion's mouth shut just before the children fell into the pit?

You can't blame God for that.

But you can blame a lion tamer who lets his lions slay innocents.

It was those men's fault for taking such a risk of making Daniel look bad to the poin of losing their family along with thei life.

OK, I get it. But God knew he could save the innocent children.

And with man corruption you think if the whole world if it were filled with rapists murderers and theifs would be good?

No. But giving honor, praise and worship to a lazy lion tamer whose lions are held back for 'VIPs' but not for innocent children is just as bad.

If you had a child who was disobedient, the loving choice is to disipline the child.

'spare the rod': I'm not going to beat truth into my child's back, arms, legs, or hands. Torturing children into subjugation isn't love, my friend. But I hope you just meant a 'steady hand to hold onto when times get bad'. Also, I wouldn't turn them out into the cold and let them die (which is what God does when we die, he sends those unfit to enter his Kingdom into Hell. and do you know why? because they were merely disobedient.)

Stop with your reasoning and humble yourself to truth.

Stop thinking, basically. Stop asking questions. Get a lobotomy with God's word...

sheesh...

Peace!

 

[Ariel82]

Ok I guess I'll make myself a fool and answer your false charges against God...........

There are so many verses which describe God as love, just, and powerful... but there are just as many which describe him as vengeful, angry, and downright wicked. You know the verses I'm talking about.

no I don't why don't you list them for me and we can address your misconceptions about them one at a time?

People will say that God's Justice is perfect... so killing innocents is perfect huh? genocide is perfect? slavery is perfect? murdering children is perfect?

innocents are not killed, genocide, slavery, murdering children? where do you get this stuff? did GOD order it or did sinful Israel do it? .

How can Christians turn a blind eye to God's vengeful nature, or even call it 'love'?
How can God be good when he plays games with his creation? Destroying cities that disobey him? Murdering children who say 'get out of here baldy' to his prophets?

they were more like teenagers, who were disrespectful.

Swallowing the earth in a great flood when things aren't going according to plan?

God created the world, He has the right to destroy it.

Condoning slavery, prostitution, and murder?

that is a lie that many atheists seem to love....

God's kingdom reminds me of the mafia: 'if you're not with us you're against us'; once you join you'll be protected; if you're low on the list you're expendable; only the higher-level members get to see the leader (i.e. heaven e.g. many Christians won't enter heaven); you will be killed if you get out of line; drugs are important (i.e. the sacrament, worship, that 'holy spirit good feeling') they keep you docile and coming back for more; the mafia does some very wicked things, but since you're a member it's called 'justice'

you have a messed up false idea of God and His kingdom. Perhaps you are thinking of Satan and his lies?

Jesus teaches that if you want to be high up in the kingdom you are a SERVANT.

You'd be right, I do have bitterness, but that's okay, because I love who I am.

yeah, those are my thoughts...
my faith is very important to me, and everything I said I'm totally serious about, I'm not a troll...

peace

you love being bitter? that is pretty messed up.

 

[Ariel82]

I don't know. I don't see how allowing men to crucify your son on a cross is love though, it's pretty terrible. But that aside (I get it it's God's sacrificial love that's important) ... that aside, there could be so much more that God could do to show his live for his children... but instead you have blood sacrifices, god showing his anger, Jesus giving very confusing stories, etc.
Luke 16:27-31 ... Abraham could have done what the rich man asked, but instead told the rich man, 'god doesn't work that way, sorry'
In that regard, God is not good.
What parent wouldn't save their child if they were drowning in a lake? The God of the bible implies that the child should have known either not to jump in the lake, or that they should swim to shore, or that they should turn around because there is a floating log right next to them'... the parent (God) sees his children struggle and die and yet relies on them to save themselves IF they want to. and that is a VERY important 'if' that somehow God enjoys presenting to us. In that regard, god is not good.

you have been listening to a twisted Gospel message. God doesn't expect the child to save themselves, He sends His Holy Spirit to cleanse and save them.......as for the passage you refer to:

Luke 16

[SUP]27 [/SUP]“Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, [SUP]28 [/SUP]for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ [SUP]29 [/SUP]Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ [SUP]30 [/SUP]And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ [SUP]31 [/SUP]But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’”

your objections are groundless. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead or did you not read that story before you rejected God and the Bible?

John 11

[h=3][/h][SUP]38 [/SUP]Then Jesus, again groaning in Himself, came to the tomb. It was a cave, and a stone lay against it. [SUP]39 [/SUP]Jesus said, “Take away the stone.”
Martha, the sister of him who was dead, said to Him, “Lord, by this time there is a stench, for he has been dead four days.”
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Jesus said to her, “Did I not say to you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?” [SUP]41 [/SUP]Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying.[SUP][d][/SUP] And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, “Father, I thank You that You have heard Me. [SUP]42 [/SUP]And I know that You always hear Me, but because of the people who are standing by I said this, that they may believe that You sent Me.” [SUP]43 [/SUP]Now when He had said these things, He cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come forth!” [SUP]44 [/SUP]And he who had died came out bound hand and foot with grave clothes, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Loose him, and let him go.”

 

[Theophane]

God is indeed good, but His goodness surpasses our so-called "goodness." I think people are angry at God because they can't control Him or understand Him. They're angry because they want a Supreme Being whom they can look down on as an inferior. They want a pet.

 

[nonicknametouse]

You need to understand that God doesn't let these that you mentioned happen. It is people's sin which has everything to do with their choices. Whether it's killing children as it happened in Newtown or genocide. We are depraved people. The original sin that Adam and Eve committed was the begining of the fall of man. God takes vengence on those who follow the devil and openly reject Him. I understand your frustration with this world, however to blame God just means you are blinded. If God wasn't a loving God we would not be in His grace and would have been destroyed a long time ago. Jesus would not have died on the cross for you. That was the greatest act of love towards all mankind the world will ever know. Christians as a whole don't truely understand everything about how or why God does the things He does or doesn't do. We as Christians believe what the Lord says because we know He does not lie. Have you received Jesus in your life. You need the Holy Spirit within you to understand spiritual things. Why you wrote peace on the bottom of your post is beyond me because you have no peace with God.

 

[Ariel82]

you logic is faulty.... WHO tossed the men and their families into the lions den?

someone who believed in GOD or someone who thinks themselves a god and tossed Daniel in the lions den for not worshiping HIM in the first place?

Daniel 6

“King Darius, live forever! [SUP]7 [/SUP]All the governors of the kingdom, the administrators and satraps, the counselors and advisors, have consulted together to establish a royal statute and to make a firm decree, that whoever petitions any god or man for thirty days, except you, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions[h=3][/h][SUP]24 [/SUP]And the king gave the command, and they brought those men who had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions—them, their children, and their wives; and the lions overpowered them, and broke all their bones in pieces before they ever came to the bottom of the den.

God didn't let His prophets stab children to death. He wanted to show how more merciful He was than the demons who set themselves up as gods to the other nations. They demanded human sacrifices. God showed how HE provided the Lamb as a subsitute.

It's wrong to unleash hungry bears upon 42 children, killing them.
It's wrong to order your prophets to tie up their children then stab them to death as a SIGN of allegiance.
It's wrong to kill every person on the planet when things don't go your way.
It's wrong to make examples by killing children (Like in Daniel 6:24)

I could be wrong, I'll admit... I don't know God's mind... these examples could be very good things (if you're a god), I don't know.

you speak in ignorance. i'm not sure why I am even bothering answering.....

 

[Theophane]

It's wrong to unleash hungry bears upon 42 children, killing them.
It's wrong to order your prophets to tie up their children then stab them to death as a SIGN of allegiance.
It's wrong to kill every person on the planet when things don't go your way.
It's wrong to make examples by killing children (Like in Daniel 6:24)

I could be wrong, I'll admit... I don't know God's mind... these examples could be very good things (if you're a god), I don't know.

If you have a Bible, open it to Job 38. What does the whirlwind say to Job?

 

[jmlidea]

no I don't why don't you list them for me and we can address your misconceptions about them one at a time?

Leviticus 26:29
Deuteronomy 28:53
Deuteronomy 28:57
Jeremiah 19:9
2 Kings 6:27-29
Ezekiel 5:10
Lamentations 4:10
Numbers 31:15-17
1 Samuel 15:2-3
Psalms 137:9
Hosea 9:16
Hosea 13:16
Isaiah 13:16
Isaiah 13:18
Ezekiel 9:5-6
Deuteronomy 2:33-34
Zechariah 11:9
Isaiah 9:19-20
1 Samuel 6:19
Ezekiel 4:12
Ezekiel 4:15
Malachi 2:3
Leviticus 26:30
Deuteronomy 32:19
Proverbs 6:16-19
Deuteronomy 13:6-9
Jeremiah 48:10
Exodus 15:3
Matthew 10:34
Exodus 22:18
2 Kings 2:23-24
1 Samuel 6:19
1 Kings 20:30
Numbers 16:16-49
2 Samuel 6:6-11
Exodus 32:27-28
Exodus 32:29
Numbers 31:17
Deuteronomy 7:1
Joshua 6:21-24
Judges 20
Judges 20:42-48
1 Kings 20:30
1 Samuel 15:1-8
Esther 9:12-16
Hosea 13:16
Revelation 6:8
Revelation 9:15

just to name a few... Maybe not one at a time, though, that would take at least 2000 years
Oh, and *DISCLAIMER* I got these from doing a web search, but I HAVE read the bible in its entirety so I've actually read these all before

 

[nonicknametouse]

We as God's children are being disiplined by our Fataher in Heaven ln a daily basis.

Hebrews 12:7-11 You should take time to read this.

There are consequences to sin. Why? How else would we learn what is right and good.

That is why we need to follow the law. You drive 50 mph in a 25mph zone and your punishment or disipline would be a ticket.

Maybe the mother that steals bread to feed her child, can tell the owner of the store her situation and maybe he would give it to her. I would call her desperate not wicked.

God knows exactly what He is doing with His creation. He knows the hearts of His people. Death is not bad because we get to go home to be with Jesus. Death is only bad when you go to hell to be alone, in darkness and torment, seperated from God.

What's wrong with the world? The world wants nothing to do with it's creator. The world has it's own agenda.
The world lives against God. Believers live against the grain of the world.