Is God In Control OF Everything

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John146

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No verses that day God is omniscient huh ....

Psalm 139:4
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4 Before a word is on my tongue
you, Lord, know it completely.(A)
God knows the thoughts of a man. God is perfect in knowledge.
 

John146

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Matthew 10:30
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30 (A)But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
That is knowledge to be known by God. The question at hand is, does God know all future decisions of every man? Are future decisions knowledge until they are made?
 

PennEd

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Isaiah 40:28
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28 Have you not known?
Have you not heard?
The everlasting God, the Lord,
The Creator of the ends of the earth,
Neither faints nor is weary.
(A)His understanding is unsearchable.
 

PennEd

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Isaiah 46:9-10
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9 (A)Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and (B)there is no other;
I am God, and there isnone like Me,
10 (C)Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yetdone,
Saying, (D)‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’
 

PennEd

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Acts 1:24-26
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24 Then they prayed,(A) “Lord, you know everyone’s heart.(B) Show us(C) which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.”26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.(D)
 

PennEd

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That is knowledge to be known by God. The question at hand is, does God know all future decisions of every man? Are future decisions knowledge until they are made?
God dwells outside time. He inhabits eternity. How silly to say He doesn’t know all things.

Some things were somehow hidden from Jesus, such as the end days, but even then, Jesus says the Father KNOWS.
 

John146

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God dwells outside time. He inhabits eternity. How silly to say He doesn’t know all things.

Some things were somehow hidden from Jesus, such as the end days, but even then, Jesus says the Father KNOWS.
God made time for man and is working within that time frame. You’re using human logic and not scripture. Everything we know about God should come from scripture. Yes?
 

John146

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God dwells outside time. He inhabits eternity. How silly to say He doesn’t know all things.

Some things were somehow hidden from Jesus, such as the end days, but even then, Jesus says the Father KNOWS.
God put Abraham to the test to see if he truly feared God.

Genesis 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
 

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I disagree. If I can predict whats going to happen down the road based upon what I plan to do. I'm sure God can too.
The premise of your OP is that God cannot see into the future. Now you are saying that He can. I'm pretty sure that most Christians on this site agree that God knows everything, past, present and the future so what exactly is the point that you are attempting to make. You are wrong in that you cannot predict what's going to happen down the road because there are literally thousands of variables that to account for that would provide a different outcome than what you predicted.
 

PennEd

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God put Abraham to the test to see if he truly feared God.

Genesis 22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
You don’t think God knew the choice Abraham was going to make?
 

PennEd

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God made time for man and is working within that time frame. You’re using human logic and not scripture. Everything we know about God should come from scripture. Yes?
I don’t understand this response.
Since God is outside of the time domain He created, He can see with perfect clarity EVERYTHING that will happen.

The wisest human (besides Jesus) who ever lived, understood this.


Ecclesiastes 1:9
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9 (A)That which has been iswhat will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun.

This is actually good news. It means we God knows the sins we commit, and will ever commit. And He paid for them all with His Son’s Sacrifice.

Do not interpret that as an excuse to sin. It merely means you cannot surprise God.
 

Grandpa

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Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

God has to be in control for all things to work together for good.


If God is not in control of your life then all things can't work together for good. You would be able to overcome that goodness with your own will and your own desires to cause things to work against that good.
 
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The premise of your OP is that God cannot see into the future. Now you are saying that He can. I'm pretty sure that most Christians on this site agree that God knows everything, past, present and the future so what exactly is the point that you are attempting to make. You are wrong in that you cannot predict what's going to happen down the road because there are literally thousands of variables that to account for that would provide a different outcome than what you predicted.
I'm not saying He can nor can I. I'm saying God and even I can predict and can plan.
 
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People rely on their own human logic. “If God does not know everything in the future, then He can’t be God.” I believe God has chosen to limit His knowledge when dealing with man because He gave man the freedom to make choices.
There is no free choices if we are being controlled. I would also like to say if the cosmos is not something of a free democracy because it's under the ultimate rulership of God, then it has to be something of a tyrannical monarchy. Either some power is shared or it's not. And if it's not, then all the blame for all the evil in the cosmos must ultimately rest on the lap of the monarch whose will is never stopped from happening.

I believe the cosmos is a free democracy whereby we are truly blessed or cursed by how we align ourselves in the fight between two cosmic kingdoms. We either share in Christ's victory or we share in Satan's defeat. But we are in either case always only the secondary participants and never the main players.
 
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What!? Are you for real? Go back and read my post to see the Scriptures, and your response pertaining to Bhudda!
I never even mentioned Bhudda. I teach Christ.
 

PennEd

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Even the Buddha speak about the realm of angry
From Peter:”I never even mentioned Bhudda. I teach Christ.”

Are you ok Peter?
This was just a couple days ago.
How can you say you never mentioned Buddha?
 
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From Peter:”I never even mentioned Bhudda. I teach Christ.”

Are you ok Peter?
This was just a couple days ago.
How can you say you never mentioned Buddha?
Are you quoting a sentence that says even the Buddha speak about the realm of angry spirits...

The context is about why does it have to be God in control of everything when the whole world from every culture since the beginning of man has spoken about gods, angels, demons, and Satan? Even the Buddha speak about the realm of angry spirits. This the invisible society of spirits do seem to be behind much that occurs in the physical world.

To pick up on that statement to say I mentioned or teach Buddha is just deception.
 

PennEd

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Are you quoting a sentence that says even the Buddha speak about the realm of angry spirits...

The context is about why does it have to be God in control of everything when the whole world from every culture since the beginning of man has spoken about gods, angels, demons, and Satan? Even the Buddha speak about the realm of angry spirits. This the invisible society of spirits do seem to be behind much that occurs in the physical world.

To pick up on that statement to say I mentioned or teach Buddha is just deception.
I think you live in an alternate reality.

I never said the word teach. And how is it conceivably possible that you can say you didn’t mention Buddha, when I took it directly from YOUR post!?

Did you mention Buddha now? Or are we in a multiverse?