Is Hell a Literal Fire or Is It Separation from God?

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carl11

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The rich man in hell lift up his eyes being in torments and he said I am torment in these flames and begged for one drop of water to cool his tongue....

No one will ever convince me that it was a parable
let me ask you this, how do you explain that one of the words torment should have translated as sorrow and not that of torment.
 

LaurieB

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It's described in many ways. Literal fire? Don't know. The outer darkness seems to be a waiting place until being cast into the lake of fire...But a literal fire? I don't know...it has to be described by things we can understand, like fire and darkness. But those are literal things to describe a ....spiritual state? Now I'm just rambling. :D

Not rambling at all. Deep thinking :)
 
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I believe the lake of fire is real and those thrown into it will die a second death. However, until you know that death means to be dead and alive means to be living there is no starting point for discussion. In order to die a second time a person needs to be raised from the dead after dying a first time.
 
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In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Lazarus represents the poor and humble in spirit who will be raised from the dead immortal and enter the kingdom of God. The rich man represents the Pharisee type who imagine themselves righteous before God but will in fact be raised to suffer a second death in the lake of fire when God comes to judge the world thru Jesus.
Someone who doesn't understand that a person is dead when the person is dead will get knowhere in the study of the scriptures.
 
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But how can it be both? Is is either a fire or it is separation from God as taught in the Church.
Why can't it be both? What your asking is something like:
Is the Meadowland the Giants football stadium or have you been there? It is and I haven't.

Hell is eternal separation from God, because God won't go there. It is also fire and brimstone, because it is a place of eternal turmoil and punishment.

And it is a place we're all sentenced to go, unless Christ saves us.
 
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AuntieAnt

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#46
If you can't handle being exposed and humiliated, you won't want to go to hell. Because you'll be exposed and humiliated for eternity. Better to humble yourself to God now and repent.

And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
 

CS1

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In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, Lazarus represents the poor and humble in spirit who will be raised from the dead immortal and enter the kingdom of God. The rich man represents the Pharisee type who imagine themselves righteous before God but will in fact be raised to suffer a second death in the lake of fire when God comes to judge the world thru Jesus.
Someone who doesn't understand that a person is dead when the person is dead will get knowhere in the study of the scriptures.

let stop and ask if you don't mind? What is dead from the Text mean ?
 
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Why can't it be both? What your asking is something like:
Is the Meadowland the Giants football stadium or have you been there? It is and I haven't.

Hell is eternal separation from God, because God won't go there. It is also fire and brimstone, because it is a place of eternal turmoil and punishment.

And it is a place we're all sentenced to go, unless Christ saves us.
"if I make my bed in hell, you(God) are there".
God is there because the faithful dead are not forsaken
 
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Jesus made his bed in hell when he gave his life and was buried. But God raised him on the third day to die no more,
 
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Ok and if dead means to bve alive can you explain why Able Blood cried to the Lord ? If dead is dead .
Cain killed Abel. Abel was dead. God knew Cain killed Abel and that Abel's blood was therefore crying out for vengeance. Blood does not actually cry out.
 

CS1

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Cain killed Abel. Abel was dead. God knew Cain killed Abel and that Abel's blood was therefore crying out for vengeance. Blood does not actually cry out.
The life is in the Blood,
God is eternal and he created man to be enternal . If dead is the end then why do we need the resurrection?: Jesus has a a real body do you beleive that? when Jesus gave up the Spirit and died are saying HE was not exsistant anymore? and if He was then what are you trying to say? If Jesus was dead and not alive what He or ever not in the context of knowing ? or all knowing ?
 
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The life is in the Blood,
God is eternal and he created man to be enternal . If dead is the end then why do we need the resurrection?: Jesus has a a real body do you beleive that? when Jesus gave up the Spirit and died are saying HE was not exsistant anymore? and if He was then what are you trying to say? If Jesus was dead and not alive what He or ever not in the context of knowing ? or all knowing ?
What The Scripture teaches is that DEAD means DEAD. God did not create man with eternal life (or a never dying soul) because eternal life or immortality is the reward of the faithful. God kept Adam from the tree of life so that he could not eat of it and live forever. Remember?
Scripture teaches the resurrection of the dead, not of "immortal souls" existing when the body dies.
It's only the misguided who use parables like the rich man and Lazarus to guide others into the false doctrines they themselves have been misled by.
When Jesus gave up the spirit Jesus died. The spirit, in that case, refers to the breath of life which when Jesus breathed his last he died. To be dead is to be dead. Jesus took back his life when he was raised from the dead. If Jesus was not dead then he could not have been raised from the dead.
It's really sad what false doctrine has done to the minds of those who follow it.
 
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"if I make my bed in hell, you(God) are there".
God is there because the faithful dead are not forsaken
So you need to go back to the original word for "dead," if it serves your purpose, but won't do the same thing with the word "hell?"

I'm just going with you like to argue, just for the sake of arguing.
 

Nehemiah6

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Please show where Scripture teaches "spiritual death"?
Since you have already rejected the truth, why would any more Scripture be necessary? If you really want the truth about spiritual death, then you have tp firstly acknowledge that you are rejecting the truth, and that you wish to change.
 
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joefizz

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I have heard different Churches say different things on this issue. So what do you all think? And, if you can back it up with the Bibles, please post the versus that match.

Thanks.
Depends on what you mean by "literal" according to the bible the flames in hell do not "burn a person's body" only their "soul" as for the rest hell is not here on earth so it is not mere separation from God.
 
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You need only ask yourself if God is so vindictive to create a fiery place to put those he loves (He still loves them) in an torturous eternal timeout.. But you'll get different views here though.
 

Nehemiah6

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You need only ask yourself if God is so vindictive to create a fiery place to put those he loves (He still loves them) in an torturous eternal timeout.. But you'll get different views here though.
"Vindictive" and "God" do not go together. So how about looking at absolute righteousness and absolute holiness?

Hell was created for the Devil and his angels, not for human being primarily. And that is why we have the Gospel and the Great Commission. IF ALL WOULD OBEY THE GOSPEL, THEN ALL WOULD BE SAVED, AND NONE WOULD BE IN HELL.
 

CS1

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What The Scripture teaches is that DEAD means DEAD. God did not create man with eternal life (or a never dying soul) because eternal life or immortality is the reward of the faithful. God kept Adam from the tree of life so that he could not eat of it and live forever. Remember?
Scripture teaches the resurrection of the dead, not of "immortal souls" existing when the body dies.
It's only the misguided who use parables like the rich man and Lazarus to guide others into the false doctrines they themselves have been misled by.
When Jesus gave up the spirit Jesus died. The spirit, in that case, refers to the breath of life which when Jesus breathed his last he died. To be dead is to be dead. Jesus took back his life when he was raised from the dead. If Jesus was not dead then he could not have been raised from the dead.
It's really sad what false doctrine has done to the minds of those who follow it.
that is not true God did Create man to be eternal it was sin that caused death . And if you read genaccount God prevented man from eating of the tree of life why? so he would not be in the condition for ever. God is eternal and HE made us for HIS good Pleasure to be with HIM for ever.