Is Hell a Physical Place?

[Shiloah]

This is the best answer at this point .From the Bible.

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[video=youtube;1iyvlCSNwLg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iyvlCSNwLg[/video]

Nathan3, thank you so much for this wonderful video. The absolute and only problem with it is that you actually have to sit down and listen to it, carefully consider all the speaker lays out, and yes, even take notes so you can take everything he says into consideration. That actually takes the desire to reconsider ones position, as well as spend some time actually thinking it through from a new perspective. I'm afraid most people don't care enough to do that. I'll never know why. I'm not being sarcastic, really. Right now, it's just making me feel very sad.

 

[NiceneCreed]

Not after the cross, yet before he taught how we were already annihilated. Matthew 19 the rich man and Christ, and after that rich man walked away sad, the disciples asked, how can anyone make it to heaven? They were annihilated, condemned saw no way od any self-effort to go to heaven unless of coarse if they had gouged out their eyes, to never again lust, or cut off their hands, to never again steal, or their tongue to never again talk bad out of one side of their mouth, and then bless out of the other side.
And Christ replied with: With man it is impossible, and you all, that is still true to this very day, and yet man is just a running around working hard as can be, to get others and God to be pleased by what they are doing or not doing, what a deception from the flesh life of look at me.
Jesus then said but with God all things are possible. So under the Law as was then as Christ had not yet gone to the cross, he was fulfilling the Law and Prophets and showing us that none of us can, by expounding on the law that if I just look at a woman with lust in my eye, I have already committed the act in from God's point of view, I need this God that Jesus talked of that said with God all things are possible. Now this part of the truth that was not yet revealed was and is revealed after the cross
If one wants new life here and now, today. Then just maybe instead of trying to be imitators of Christ, just maybe be participators. Starting at the death of Christ go and die with Christ to self, one self, and soak on this as Paul did, he considered himself dead to himself with Christ, the further identification of this self death with Christ, the more the reality of the resurrected Christ came to life in Paul, and giving no credit to himself, all credit to God through the resurrection of Christ where life is found, but not unless one dies to themselves with Christ.
Therefore Paul was able to say
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
And this is not just for Paul, it is for all of us that are willing to die to themselves, deeper and deeper, thus experienced the new life deeper and deeper. God has offered as a free gift the escape from hell, by either you believe God or you don't
All in love to you all

I do believe the soul is immortal, but there is a difference between immortality and eternity; we obviously have a beginning, as we are finite, created beings. I once believed in annihilationism, yet I do not think it is in God's nature to completely destroy someone. And I also believe that those in hell will so people in heaven, but people in heaven will not be able to see those in hell.

 

[notuptome]

We see that God did not want Adam to live forever in his sinful state. God expelled Adam from the garden and the tree of life because of his sin. Gen 3:22-24 A cherubim with a flaming sword kept Adam separate from the tree of life. Something to ponder.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[NiceneCreed]

We see that God did not want Adam to live forever in his sinful state. God expelled Adam from the garden and the tree of life because of his sin. Gen 3:22-24 A cherubim with a flaming sword kept Adam separate from the tree of life. Something to ponder.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I have taken that particular view into consideration, as a part of a written theodicy. However, I believe God prevented Adam and Eve from eating of the Tree of Life, because God was merciful and did not want for Adam to be eternally damned to living in a sinful state (essentially the same thing you just said), and it is a possibility, that had Adam eaten of the Tree of Life after first eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, we would all be eternally damned, also. So what God did for Adam, He did also for us. But there is a difference between what could have resulted, had Adam eaten of the fruit of the Tree of Life and between those who willingly choose to reject God's grace. The purpose of God being graceful to Adam was to give Adam a second chance. Human beings now have a second chance through Christ; they can accept His grace or reject it. But if they reject, as Adam so clearly did not, they will have to pay the eternal consequences, but only they can choose for themselves. I hope this makes sense.

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

I do believe the soul is immortal, but there is a difference between immortality and eternity; we obviously have a beginning, as we are finite, created beings. I once believed in annihilationism, yet I do not think it is in God's nature to completely destroy someone. And I also believe that those in hell will so people in heaven, but people in heaven will not be able to see those in hell.

I'm not trying to disagree just curious how you came to the conclusion that people in hell will see people in heaven.. is it scriptural? can you direct me to it please.

 

[Michael50]

I have taken that particular view into consideration, as a part of a written theodicy. However, I believe God prevented Adam and Eve from eating of the Tree of Life, because God was merciful and did not want for Adam to be eternally damned to living in a sinful state (essentially the same thing you just said), and it is a possibility, that had Adam eaten of the Tree of Life after first eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, we would all be eternally damned, also. So what God did for Adam, He did also for us. But there is a difference between what could have resulted, had Adam eaten of the fruit of the Tree of Life and between those who willingly choose to reject God's grace. The purpose of God being graceful to Adam was to give Adam a second chance. Human beings now have a second chance through Christ; they can accept His grace or reject it. But if they reject, as Adam so clearly did not, they will have to pay the eternal consequences, but only they can choose for themselves. I hope this makes sense.

It was Satans plan to get Adam & Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,,,,,,, then,,,,,go and eat from the Tree of Life.Thus making sin and sinners immortal. Then sin would exist forever in Gods universe.

It is Gods plan to isolate, to eradicate, and to blot out sin forever from His Universe.

An eternal torture chamber where the wicked remain alive in flames for all eternity contradicts that.

God knew what He was doing when He placed Cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life:

"And now , lest he put out his hand and eat from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever."

 

[NiceneCreed]

I'm not trying to disagree just curious how you came to the conclusion that people in hell will see people in heaven.. is it scriptural? can you direct me to it please.

“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire’" (Luke 16:22-24, New International Version, 2011).

 

[NiceneCreed]

It was Satans plan to get Adam & Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,,,,,,, then,,,,,go and eat from the Tree of Life.Thus making sin and sinners immortal. Then sin would exist forever in Gods universe.

It is Gods plan to isolate, to eradicate, and to blot out sin forever from His Universe.

An eternal torture chamber where the wicked remain alive in flames for all eternity contradicts that.

God knew what He was doing when He placed Cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life:

"And now , lest he put out his hand and eat from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever."

That is exactly what I stated. Except I disagree hell is not eternal.

 

[sunshinelovin1700]

“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire’" (Luke 16:22-24, New International Version, 2011).

But this was only a parable, I didn't think it was a literal story that Jesus told.

 

[homwardbound]

I do believe the soul is immortal, but there is a difference between immortality and eternity; we obviously have a beginning, as we are finite, created beings. I once believed in annihilationism, yet I do not think it is in God's nature to completely destroy someone. And I also believe that those in hell will so people in heaven, but people in heaven will not be able to see those in hell.

To begin with, thank you for all your dialogue am learning much form all here


The annihilation that I speak of is one's inability to be perfect and go to heaven by their works, it is impossible to enter this way unless one cuts everything off and is a torso. The other and only way is through Christ period being the way, the truth and the new life he gives us through Father by the resurrection
Just showing our own man made works, traditions, and God's laws the letter of when they go through flesh, flesh can't perform the Law it that it is weak, therefore one needs new life as Christ said he came to do and give, John 10:10 the last part. This Christ did via through the door of the cross, the resurrection, without the resurrection we are to be pitied of all people, because we would still be in our sins, if Christ had not risen 1 Cor. 15, does a good job on the explanation of this from God through the Apostle Paul

 

[homwardbound]

We see that God did not want Adam to live forever in his sinful state. God expelled Adam from the garden and the tree of life because of his sin. Gen 3:22-24 A cherubim with a flaming sword kept Adam separate from the tree of life. Something to ponder.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Thanks Roger for all of your posts, they have been helpful in many ways, keep listening and learning as I am, praying for you, giving thanks for you
Adam in a sense coming alive to his flesh, selfishness needed to shown that he needed God, and to till the ground, showed him, sure has shown me my need for God.
Today knowing Good and evil is a blessing in free choice, even though we all do struggle in the two, wanting the good without the evil. So instead of trying to do good, which is what besets the flesh being aware of evil into continuing to do evil, instead why not focus on being dead, in self via co-crucified to self with Christ, so then maybe we might see the new life in Christ via made alive in God's Spirit a free gift for us to respond to, so busy at this response of thanking God that there is no time for evil to enter and if evil does enter, to learn from God our teacher how it deceived us to break through, so we learn by God's amazing grace to honestly just say no to unrighteousness and continue to walk in God's Spirit where no sin can occur since all sin has been condemned to the flesh Romans 8:3

 

[homwardbound]

I have taken that particular view into consideration, as a part of a written theodicy. However, I believe God prevented Adam and Eve from eating of the Tree of Life, because God was merciful and did not want for Adam to be eternally damned to living in a sinful state (essentially the same thing you just said), and it is a possibility, that had Adam eaten of the Tree of Life after first eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, we would all be eternally damned, also. So what God did for Adam, He did also for us. But there is a difference between what could have resulted, had Adam eaten of the fruit of the Tree of Life and between those who willingly choose to reject God's grace. The purpose of God being graceful to Adam was to give Adam a second chance. Human beings now have a second chance through Christ; they can accept His grace or reject it. But if they reject, as Adam so clearly did not, they will have to pay the eternal consequences, but only they can choose for themselves. I hope this makes sense.

Thanks nicenecreed I see that tree of life as it was and is Christ and had Adam or Eve or siblings eaten from it before the time appointed, man would have received eternal life, yet on the evil side and been against God as Nimrod was at the tower of Babel.
And many a men still are out for themselves and those that agree with them only, God today through this tree of life has manifested in Christ Jesus, and ahs gone to the cross for us all to come to believe in the only one true good God.
Thanks again for all of your posts

 

[homwardbound]

It was Satans plan to get Adam & Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil,,,,,,, then,,,,,go and eat from the Tree of Life.Thus making sin and sinners immortal. Then sin would exist forever in Gods universe.

It is Gods plan to isolate, to eradicate, and to blot out sin forever from His Universe.

An eternal torture chamber where the wicked remain alive in flames for all eternity contradicts that.

God knew what He was doing when He placed Cherubim to guard the way to the tree of life:

"And now , lest he put out his hand and eat from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever."

I like what you said here and not sure about the one part " quote" "An eternal torture chamber where the wicked remain alive in flames for all eternity contradicts that."
I do know this no matter what way it turns out, God has got it all figured out and am glad and thankful to God by God's grace I am accepted into God's eternity, by Faith in God (belief) God has saved me through Christ his Son.
Without this I know I do not stand a chance ever
Thanks Michael for all your posts too!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[john832]

I do believe the soul is immortal, but there is a difference between immortality and eternity; we obviously have a beginning, as we are finite, created beings. I once believed in annihilationism, yet I do not think it is in God's nature to completely destroy someone. And I also believe that those in hell will so people in heaven, but people in heaven will not be able to see those in hell.

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[homwardbound]

But this was only a parable, I didn't think it was a literal story that Jesus told.

Hard to decipher correctly this was before the cross and during while Abraham's bosom was in effect, just waiting for Christ to accomplish what Christ accomplished. And then all those that believed were able to do as King David said would be one day
Psalm 100:4 Enter into His gates with thanksgiving, And into His courts with praise. Be thankful to Him, and bless His name

Today after belief God is present here with us living in us, when physically die we are thus present with God.
For God will never leave us nor forsake us, not even if we start to think otherwise, as what the enemy is out to do cause doubt in this great salvation given to us by God through Chirst

 

[notuptome]

Hell was created for the devil and his angels. It was not created for men. Hell is a place where God's most severe wrath is upon sin. God's wrath like His love knows no end. Consider Luke 20:36 Where our Lord speaks of the bodies that resurrected people have. They are equal to angels not angels but equal angels and they die no more. When the condemned are resurrected at the GWT judgment will they have bodies like the fallen angels of the devil? If they do then they will die no more as angels do not die but they will be cast into the lake of fire. The temporal things of this world will be turned to ashes but the soul of man is immortal and will live either in the presence of the Lord or in the lake of fire for all of eternity.
Only when we see God as holy and righteous as He really is do we begin to see how sever His wrath will be upon sin. God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked but His perfect righteousness demands satisfaction on sin. We tolerate sin too easily. God cannot tolerate any sin in His presence. God can and does demand absolute perfection. Anything less and His Son would not have been the vicarious substitute for our sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Michael50]

I like what you said here and not sure about the one part " quote" "An eternal torture chamber where the wicked remain alive in flames for all eternity contradicts that."
I do know this no matter what way it turns out, God has got it all figured out and am glad and thankful to God by God's grace I am accepted into God's eternity, by Faith in God (belief) God has saved me through Christ his Son.
Without this I know I do not stand a chance ever
Thanks Michael for all your posts too!!!!!!!!!!!

the point i was making is this: If God would have allowed them to eat from the tree of Life AFTER they disobeyed Him,, then,, it would certainly be plausible to believe that the wicked would be rounded up and cast into flames where they would EXIST FOREVER. But,,,,because God did not allow them to eat from the tree of life after they sinned,,,,the wicked do not have the ability to survive the flames of the lake of fire. They are destroyed. Dead forever!

I have read many of your posts. And one thing I ALWAYS see YOU DO,,,,,,, You continually point straight to Christ!!! And I recognize it Brother!!!!!! Amen to you! And to our Savior , Jesus Christ,, the "express Image of God"!!!!

 

[homwardbound]

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Yeah, been though this one and the devil lost came close to winning, very close, yet still standing firm, and know the enemy will not give up, but what closes the trick of the enemy is that the enemy can't do anything to me, or anyone without God's permission and I trust God because of this as Job trusted and is shown from Chapter 1 Satan can do nothing without permission.
So we can count all tribulations as joy, knowing somewhere, somehow there is a purpose in all that takes place in bad times like foreigners gangrene, that I have recently gone through, I have not figured it all out 100% yet, but in God's timing I know it will somehow work towards God's good and therefore my good since I am in God and God is In me. Now this truth for all that beleive

 

[homwardbound]

Hell was created for the devil and his angels. It was not created for men. Hell is a place where God's most severe wrath is upon sin. God's wrath like His love knows no end. Consider Luke 20:36 Where our Lord speaks of the bodies that resurrected people have. They are equal to angels not angels but equal angels and they die no more. When the condemned are resurrected at the GWT judgment will they have bodies like the fallen angels of the devil? If they do then they will die no more as angels do not die but they will be cast into the lake of fire. The temporal things of this world will be turned to ashes but the soul of man is immortal and will live either in the presence of the Lord or in the lake of fire for all of eternity.
Only when we see God as holy and righteous as He really is do we begin to see how sever His wrath will be upon sin. God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked but His perfect righteousness demands satisfaction on sin. We tolerate sin too easily. God cannot tolerate any sin in His presence. God can and does demand absolute perfection. Anything less and His Son would not have been the vicarious substitute for our sin.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So then are we made perfect through Christ and in reception of this by the resurrection made alive to God?
Or do we have to work for it?

 

[homwardbound]

the point i was making is this: If God would have allowed them to eat from the tree of Life AFTER they disobeyed Him,, then,, it would certainly be plausible to believe that the wicked would be rounded up and cast into flames where they would EXIST FOREVER. But,,,,because God did not allow them to eat from the tree of life after they sinned,,,,the wicked do not have the ability to survive the flames of the lake of fire. They are destroyed. Dead forever!

I have read many of your posts. And one thing I ALWAYS see YOU DO,,,,,,, You continually point straight to Christ!!! And I recognize it Brother!!!!!! Amen to you! And to our Savior , Jesus Christ,, the "express Image of God"!!!!

Thanks and that is where Paul continuously pointed us all to. We all will know a lot more when we are there in Heaven with God, lie asking God questions such as this thread, which is interesting to view all others views with no condemnation in mind, just helping one another to keep at peace between each other. And I say this because we all will stand one day at the GWT judgment, each giving an account for our lives. And I think the most important part is did you love your neighbor as I (GOD) have loved you, in forgiveness. Did I give Mercy as God has shown us through the cross of Christ
Thanks Michael, it is wonderful to hear and listen to others and not condemn each other, giving each other free will as God has given us
All in Love to you