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Well dictionary.com defines "pray" like so:
So, if you use pray in the 4th, 5th, or 8th sense, then it's perfectly fine. That's how Catholic/Anglican/Orthodox Christians use "pray" in regards to the saints. Unfortunately, a lot of confusion arises because in Protestant communions, they generally use "pray" only in the 1st, 6th, or 7th sense. Naturally if you apply those senses of the word to saints, then it's a clear violation of the 1st commandment (Thou shalt have no other gods before me....)
So, if you use pray in the 4th, 5th, or 8th sense, then it's perfectly fine. That's how Catholic/Anglican/Orthodox Christians use "pray" in regards to the saints. Unfortunately, a lot of confusion arises because in Protestant communions, they generally use "pray" only in the 1st, 6th, or 7th sense. Naturally if you apply those senses of the word to saints, then it's a clear violation of the 1st commandment (Thou shalt have no other gods before me....)
It doesn't say anywhere to pray to those. It does say not to pray or look up to any idols, first commandment. That's why the protestants came out of the Catholic church for stuff like this. Like you know how stupid that is? It could only be compared to sending a letter to a satanist, asking him to email your pastor some message you have. Or perhaps sending a letter by mail to a jealous ex girlfriend, asking her to email your wife for you a certain message. Or again like asking a drug dealer who you're mother hates to call your mother for you with a request for money for drugs. How would any of those situations go down? Not good. Like that's a best case scenario. It makes zero sense. Why would anyone do that, like where's the rationale? You don't put an etention cord onto a kite and fly that up in the clouds hoping you can power up your oven to cook dinner. NO you just plug it in direct and it works. Like I'm gonna try and talk on this forum without a computer or cell phone but rather by asking some passer by on the street to find out what's being discussed and report back. Just nuts.
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Typically when someone prays 'to' a saint it is as if asking your mother or a friend to pray for you. It is not worshipping that saint or the dead it is not asking them to do Gods job or anything like that. The dead can pray for you just as the living do and that is all it is. It's not praying to a saint it's asking them to pray with you.
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Deut. 18
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God
Catholics would not have lasted long under the Mosaic Covenant.
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God
Catholics would not have lasted long under the Mosaic Covenant.
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Just to make myself clear, I didn't mean to say I talk to the dead, because I don't spirits are not dead, thier bodies are dead. So although people consider it to be talking to the dead, its not because the spirit is alive. I am not asking a spirit to tell the future or tell me about heaven or anything like that. I am simply conversing with them as if they were still in thier bodies.
As far as mediums go I know people who can communicate with the dead and I know that some people believe that mediums are actually communicating with evil spirits, familiar spirits, but I have a hard time believing that. A true medium, Godly medium, does not call upon the spirits by ouija boards or tarot cards or anything like that so they are not communicating with the devil they are given a gift from God.
As far as mediums go I know people who can communicate with the dead and I know that some people believe that mediums are actually communicating with evil spirits, familiar spirits, but I have a hard time believing that. A true medium, Godly medium, does not call upon the spirits by ouija boards or tarot cards or anything like that so they are not communicating with the devil they are given a gift from God.
When one communicates with any spiritual being other than our Maker for spiritual purposes, power and authority and glory are being denied the Father, and this is an abomination in the understanding of any who truly believe Jesus Christ. Worship God. Pray to God. Any other spirtual contact is of the enemy.
Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!
Seems to me that the saints in heaven aren't dead according to Our Lord. So then it's perfectly valid to ask them to pray for us.
The resurrection of the departed has not occurred at present. As it is written on the day of the last trumpet sounding, first the dead in Christ will rise up to meet Him in the clouds, then those of us who live will be caught up to Him.
If you are saying the resurrection has occurred for some, this is simply another abomination, not of the Word of God. The Word of God is Yeshua. Please read what He has to say and believe Him. It is the only Way to get to the Father. May God light your way, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.
If you are saying the resurrection has occurred for some, this is simply another abomination, not of the Word of God. The Word of God is Yeshua. Please read what He has to say and believe Him. It is the only Way to get to the Father. May God light your way, in Jesus Christ's name, amen.