Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Status
Not open for further replies.

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,555
1,057
113
Australia
#21
It is the same life (spirit) that God gives to all creatures. But we (human beings) were made in Gods image. Animals do not have the same moral capability that we do. We are in a battle that is being fought for our hearts. The controversy is not being fought for animal hearts but human hearts.
I can't stand to hurt animals and i struggled to kill a snake last week but if i didn't the snake would have killed my baby chickens.

This world is scarred by death and it should point us to the time when death will be no more. Store your treasures in heaven were no animal will die.
 

JohnRH

Junior Member
Mar 5, 2018
534
259
63
#22
No, the killing of animals is unlawful, and not the Will of the Father.

The commandment: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." not only prohibits humans from commiting adultery with humans, but it also prohibits bestiality. So, in like manner, the commandment: " Thou shalt not kill." not only prohibits the killing of humans, but it also prohibits the killing of animals. The commandments are not just talking about humans. That is why both bestiality and the killing of animals are unlawful.

-The killing of an ox is equated to murder, both are abominations:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

-And food is not an excuse for murder, because the Father gave us the herbs and fruit for food, not animals:

Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

-There is also the abomination which the Lord hates: shedding the innocent blood of the animals:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-The Father doesn't want us killing each other:

Isaiah 65:25The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. Gen 9:3 (KJV)

Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. Acts 10:12-13 (KJV)

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils ... commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. 1 Tim 4:1-5 (KJV)
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,675
13,364
113
#23
do all to the glory of God.

Science is starting to catch up with the principles in the Bible.
Let's be sure we distinguish "principles" from instructions given to specific peoples in specific times and places.

A vegiterian lives longer then people that eat lots of meat.
Show us the science to support your rather exaggerated claim.

If you do the research and want to be healthier, It all points to Gods original diet.
Again, show us the science. That which I've seen says the polar opposite.

It isn't a sin to kill animals when you have a good reason.
Agreed; though wanton killing of animals is simply wasteful, which is sin.

Jas 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
That verse isn't applicable. It's talking about the good deeds one ought to do, not making a personal decision based on one's conscience.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,675
13,364
113
#24
The Law can't change, murder was murder since the beggining, and that can't change because it is Law:

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.
Baruch is not considered Scripture by most Christians. Don't bother quoting it in the same way folks quote the Bible.

By the way, the word is "beginning"; only two 'g's, and three 'n's.
 
Mar 12, 2022
357
24
18
#27
Both humans and animals were created by the same Father, out of the same dust, and have the same "breath of live" from the Father:

Matthew 25:41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.
passages leading to a gradual greater spiritual maturity in regards the eating of meat
Numbers 11:4 And the mixt multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?
11 And Moses said unto the Lord, Wherefore hast thou afflicted thy servant? and wherefore have I not found favour in thy sight, that thou layest the burden of all this people upon me?
13 Whence should I have flesh to give unto all this people? for they weep unto me, saying, Give us flesh, that we may eat.

18 And say thou unto the people, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow, and ye shall eat flesh: for ye have wept in the ears of the Lord, saying, Who shall give us flesh to eat? for it was well with us in Egypt: therefore the Lord will give you flesh, and ye shall eat.
19 Ye shall not eat one day, nor two days, nor five days, neither ten days, nor twenty days;
20 But even a whole month, until it come out at your nostrils, and it be loathsome unto you: because that ye have despised the Lord which is among you, and have wept before him, saying, Why came we forth out of Egypt?

33 And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the Lord was kindled against the people, and the Lord smote the people with a very great plague.
34 And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted.
INSPIRED Scripture
I can tell you the same thing, I quoted Inspired Scripture too.

Jeremiah 8:8 How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the LORD is with us’? Look, the false pen of the scribe certainly works falsehood.

Ezekiel 5:6 And she hath changed my judgments into wickedness more than the nations, and my statutes more than the countries that are round about her: for they have refused my judgments and my statutes, they have not walked in them.

Malachi 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; [...]

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.
I am against murder of animals, like sheep:

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

It is the thief that comes to kill, the Good sheperd gives His life for the sheep, doesn't kill the sheep. The wolf kills the sheep.
 
Mar 12, 2022
357
24
18
#28
you were wrong the first time
I didn't repeated myself, I quoted Scripture the 2nd time. Do you understand Whom you are saying is "wrong"?

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,555
1,057
113
Australia
#30
Let's be sure we distinguish "principles" from instructions given to specific peoples in specific times and places.
God knows what is best for us....
Would God give us advice that is wrong? Would God direct us in ways that are unhealthy.?
When we were first created and designed to live for ever (the height of our health), what was our original diet?
I sure that death killing was not part of it.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We were given every herb to eat
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But then sin came.....
They lived for almost a 1000 years before the flood.
Then meat was introduces by God .....
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Then life started to get shorter... by Abraham 200 was doing well and by King David 70 years.

I'm not saying meat is the only cause for this decline in health. Sin is the reason we are dying but the reason why we are eating meat is because of sin. Sin = death No sin = no meat in the diet..
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,555
1,057
113
Australia
#31
Show us the science to support your rather exaggerated claim.
Many large population studies have found that vegetarians and vegans live longer than meat eaters: According to the Loma Linda University study, vegetarians live about seven years longer and vegans about fifteen years longer than meat eaters. The Cornell-China-Oxford project on Nutrition, Environment and health, conducted by Cornell University, Oxford University and Chinese researchers- to date the largest population study on the relationship of diet to health- found that those Chinese who ate the least amount of animal products had correspondingly lower risks of cancer, heart attacks, and other chronic degenerative diseases. A British study tracked 6,000 vegetarians and 5,000 meat eaters for twelve years and found that vegetarians were 40 percent less likely to die from cancer during that time and 20 percent less likely to die from other diseases.
https://veggiefestchicago.org/veget...on studies have,years longer than meat eaters.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,675
13,364
113
#32
Both humans and animals were created by the same Father, out of the same dust, and have the same "breath of live" from the Father:
...
44 “Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’
45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.
Wrong again. All these "least" are humans.

Numbers 11:4 ... because there they buried the people that lusted.
And? None of this proves your point in the least. The problem was not that they wanted meat, and certainly not that they killed birds to eat them, but that they didn't trust the Lord. Ponder that deeply, so that your spiritual status isn't "Unsure" anymore.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.
Already addressed.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; [...]
And yet He later told Noah and his family they could eat everything that moves and has life in it. Your point is empty. Taking bits out of context won't lead to you understanding Scripture.

Baruch 4:1 This is the book of the commandments of God, and the law that endureth for ever: all they that keep it shall come to life; but such as leave it shall die.

Baruch isn't Scripture; don't bother quoting it at me.

I am against murder of animals, like sheep:
You are against something that doesn't exist? Okay, Don Quixote.

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

It is the thief that comes to kill, the Good sheperd gives His life for the sheep, doesn't kill the sheep. The wolf kills the sheep.
Again, you have completely misinterpreted the text. The "sheep" are people in this passage.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,675
13,364
113
#33
Many large population studies have found that vegetarians and vegans live longer than meat eaters: According to the Loma Linda University study, vegetarians live about seven years longer and vegans about fifteen years longer than meat eaters. The Cornell-China-Oxford project on Nutrition, Environment and health, conducted by Cornell University, Oxford University and Chinese researchers- to date the largest population study on the relationship of diet to health- found that those Chinese who ate the least amount of animal products had correspondingly lower risks of cancer, heart attacks, and other chronic degenerative diseases. A British study tracked 6,000 vegetarians and 5,000 meat eaters for twelve years and found that vegetarians were 40 percent less likely to die from cancer during that time and 20 percent less likely to die from other diseases.
https://veggiefestchicago.org/vegetarianism-and-longevity/#:~:text=Many large population studies have,years longer than meat eaters.
Did these studies control for consumption of vegetable oils? Sugar? Highly processed foods? Other toxins? Exercise habits? If not, they prove nothing.
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,555
1,057
113
Australia
#34
That verse isn't applicable. It's talking about the good deeds one ought to do, not making a personal decision based on one's conscience.
A good deed is God in my heart talking to me (my conscience) And if i am convicted to not kill an animal (good deed) and choose to kill it because of my selfish lusts i would say that is a sin.
 

TMS

Senior Member
Mar 21, 2015
3,555
1,057
113
Australia
#35
Did these studies control for consumption of vegetable oils? Sugar? Highly processed foods? Other toxins? Exercise habits? If not, they prove nothing.
block your ears and close your eyes if you want to.
Health involves many things, more then being a vegetarian or not. But the studies are there and they say what God originally designed us to eat is best for us.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,675
13,364
113
#36
God knows what is best for us....
Would God give us advice that is wrong? Would God direct us in ways that are unhealthy.?
When we were first created and designed to live for ever (the height of our health), what was our original diet?

They lived for almost a 1000 years before the flood.
Then meat was introduces by God .....
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Then life started to get shorter... by Abraham 200 was doing well and by King David 70 years.

I'm not saying meat is the only cause for this decline in health. Sin is the reason we are dying but the reason why we are eating meat is because of sin. Sin = death No sin = no meat in the diet..
God knows what is best for us....
Would God give us advice that is wrong? Would God direct us in ways that are unhealthy.?
When we were first created and designed to live for ever (the height of our health), what was our original diet?
I sure that death killing was not part of it.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. We were given every herb to eat
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But then sin came.....
They lived for almost a 1000 years before the flood.
Then meat was introduces by God .....
Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Then life started to get shorter... by Abraham 200 was doing well and by King David 70 years.

I'm not saying meat is the only cause for this decline in health.
Good, because you're awfully close to employing a non sequitur in your reasoning. Perhaps you are unaware of the fossil evidence proving that the environment prior to the flood was quite different to the world today. That fact alone is enough to explain the decreased life spans. Consumption of meat is not necessarily the cause, and nothing in Scripture suggests that it is. As the saying goes, correlation is not causation.
 

Dino246

Senior Member
Jun 30, 2015
24,675
13,364
113
#38
I didn't repeated myself, I quoted Scripture the 2nd time. Do you understand Whom you are saying is "wrong"?

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man [...]
Your application of it was wrong the first time, and it was wrong the second time, and it is wrong the third time. Don't bother trying to twist my words; I'll call you on it every time.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.