Is it OK to eat what was sacrificed to idols or not?

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Miri

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I believe Jesus is not the father and not God because God is the father. Jesus has special authority from God but is the son of God and therefor not God because God is zhe father...kindaI make sense?

I think you have a problem there, presumably you would need to believe
there is also a mother too if you do not believe Jesus is God? Who would that be?
How did God the father give birth to Jesus his son etc?

If you believe God created Jesus the Son, then that would make Jesus no better than
us or possibly no better than the angels. But Jesus is far above all else, at the name of
Jesus every knee will bow. By Him everything was made, He was there at the beginning.

So if Jesus had no beginning, how did God bring about the birth of Jesus with no devine
mother, or how could God the father have created God the Son if He was always there from the beginning. He is he Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end, so Jesus could not
have been created by God. He is God.

Sorry to digress from the thread.
 

trofimus

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#82
I believe Jesus is not the father and not God because God is the father. Jesus has special authority from God but is the son of God and therefor not God because God is zhe father...kindaI make sense?
Is Jesus born or created?

If He is born, then He is what His Father is.

Also, there are clear and explicit verses in the Bible saying that Jesus IS God.
 

Hevosmies

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#83
I believe Jesus is not the father and not God because God is the father. Jesus has special authority from God but is the son of God and therefor not God because God is zhe father...kindaI make sense?
Oy vey.

That belief is tough to reconcile with John 1:1 isnt it?
Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God was manifest in the flesh.

If Jesus isn't God then we have some idolatry going on in the book of Revelation no? When all created things bow down to Jesus?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#84
I may regret asking but where would a person even find food sacrificed to Idols?
there are backyard sacrifices being made by non-Christian religions in this country, but I doubt they sell that in open markets like they might in their own countries

but yeah.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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No i believe they work together but they are seperate beings/things which the trinity just puts 3 individual things in s sack. As one
that certainly is not the impression I get regarding the Trinity

Jesus prayed that the Father would make believers one as He and the Father are one

that does not mean occupying the same space at the same time, but rather in intent and action I would think

if I am one with my husband, we are not in one body, but rather of the same will etc (of course no marriage is perfect but as Christians we understand the concept)

so, to clarify, is your concept of believing in the Trinity, somehow associating the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as one being?

I don't think that is indicated in scripture
 

maxwel

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I believe Jesus is not the father and not God because God is the father. Jesus has special authority from God but is the son of God and therefor not God because God is zhe father...kindaI make sense?

Although everyone around here likes you just fine... this is the very definition of a major heresy.

This is not what the church fathers believed, this is not what orthodox Christians of any denomination believe, this is not something orthodox Christians have ever believed, and this is not something found in any of the historical Christian Creeds or Catechisms.


Why?
Why have orthodox Christians NEVER held this view?
Because orthodox believers have studied this issue, in every generation, over and over, and over and over, and found this is NOT what the scripture teaches.


To believe Christ is not God, is to place yourself well outside of any variety of orthodoxy.


That should give one reason to pause and reflect.


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tourist

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#87
My understanding is that Orthodox Jewish sletchers bless God before slaughtering an animal and that this is not considered a sacrifice.

They are more careful about getting the blood out and Gentilesbare to abstain from things strangled and from blood.

Would you rather eat meat slaughtered aby a Muslim or meat choked by someone who professes to be a Christian?

Ihave spent some time among Lutherans from a people group that will slaughte a big or water bufali then pour the blood backnover it and cook it. I do not eat this dish.
I wouldn't eat that dish either as it sounds disgusting. Who slaughters the meat is not relevant as to whether or not I would consume it.
 

Hevosmies

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#88
Although everyone around here likes you just fine... this is the very definition of a major heresy.

This is not what the church fathers believed, this is not what orthodox Christians of any denomination believe, this is not something orthodox Christians have ever believed, and this is not something found in any of the historical Christian Creeds or Catechisms.


Why?
Why have orthodox Christians NEVER held this view?
Because orthodox believers have studied this issue, in every generation, over and over, and over and over, and found this is NOT what the scripture teaches.


To believe Christ is not God, is to place yourself well outside of any variety of orthodoxy.


That should give one reason to pause and reflect.


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Yup. To deny Jesus is God is to side with unitarians / arians / JWs / isalm
 

presidente

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#89
Jesus is the Word of God. God, the Spirit of God, and the Word of God are present and involved in the creation in Genesis chapter 1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. The Spirit hovered upon the face of the waters. And God said, let there be light.

The Father, the Spirit, and the Word right there at the creation.
 

maxwel

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I must admit I am not sure what this post means :) I have been OK, thinking, studying, contemplating about my life and future, about what is certain in my faith and what is just opinions of people etc.

Meat Sacrificed to Idols


Hey Bro,
I recently heard John MacArthur explain this issue pretty well in the middle of a sermon on something else.
There's no reason to think I could explain it better.
I'll just give you the link, and the time stamps.

Biblically, the issue about eating meat sacrificed to idols has nothing to do with any DOCTRINES about idolatry... biblically this whole issue is a PRACTICAL or METHODOLOGICAL issue, dealing with circumstances under which we should curtail our own liberty to help a weaker brother.

MacArthur covers this issue from 38:00-48:30


Written transcript here:
https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/80-24/making-the-hard-decisions-easy


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p_rehbein

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#91
They never messed with bologna being offered and whatnot did they? Sure hope not, 'cuz I just finished a really, really good 'loney n cheese samwich........

No, it was beef 'loney............not pork

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