Is it OK to tell God no we won’t do what He asks?

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Blik

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My point is that there is no scriptural evidence to support your assertions. They contradict the context, in which it is stated, "It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay upon you no greater burden than these essentials." The discussion was about the Church, not the synagogue, and about gentiles being required to follow Jewish law in order to be considered Christians. Most definitely, the Holy Spirit is not "persnickety".
I have simply recorded history as it has been written down. It is not Christian to refuse and discard history. Burning books is something such as Hitler did. My report on that the synagogues did not accept all people has nothing to do with anything except that it is a report on history that happened. You are out of line in your constant search for something to judge negatively.
 

Blik

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Can you elaborate on what you mean by this? Seems to be echoing something I've been feeling for a solid month or so (which has been building for 2 years) on the topic of the Lord "meeting someone where they are" and how that can be abused and then altered in some fashion.

"seek" and ye shall find. Not just sit around not look but think "if the Lord will only show up... x, y, z" Even when you know that's not the right move "most probably" but you are being stubborn.

Are you referring to something willful in this regard?



I'm not going to speak to the OP, because I think individual burdens like honoring the law NOT living under the law is perfectly acceptable and commendable. It's something I strangely feel a deep burden for that I think it's pretty cool that there's always new things to see in the word. Potentially it is something similar to missions and not everyone feels it the same way...
I feel certain that the Lord asks us to put our wills into obeying Him, and not obedience with a goal of earning salvation but motivated by our love and praise of God. I am called a Sabbath keeper, a judinizer, and scolded terribly for this. Men say that being a Sabbath Keeper is wrong. I do not listen to man, I listen to God and clearly God tells me to do this and accept that it means I must be mocked for it. Scripture warns us that the world is against all of God, even His ways.
 

Dino246

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I have simply recorded history as it has been written down.
As you said nothing about historical records, and you provided no supporting documentation, links, citations, or references, and your post was made in the Bible Discussion Forum, it is reasonable to conclude that you were making assertions as to what the Bible contains.

It is not Christian to refuse and discard history.
However, it is Christian to question something supposedly biblical which is clearly not biblical.

Burning books is something such as Hitler did. My report on that the synagogues did not accept all people has nothing to do with anything except that it is a report on history that happened. You are out of line in your constant search for something to judge negatively.
Spare me the overreaction. Instead, be proactive and provide appropriate information and context to your statements.
 

Dino246

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I feel certain that the Lord asks us to put our wills into obeying Him, and not obedience with a goal of earning salvation but motivated by our love and praise of God. I am called a Sabbath keeper, a judinizer, and scolded terribly for this. Men say that being a Sabbath Keeper is wrong. I do not listen to man, I listen to God and clearly God tells me to do this and accept that it means I must be mocked for it. Scripture warns us that the world is against all of God, even His ways.
Yes, the world is against God and His ways. However, this forum has many Christians on it, and it is the Christians who are telling you that your belief with regard to the Mosaic Law is flawed. The world couldn't care less.
 

Blik

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As you said nothing about historical records, and you provided no supporting documentation, links, citations, or references, and your post was made in the Bible Discussion Forum, it is reasonable to conclude that you were making assertions as to what the Bible contains.


However, it is Christian to question something supposedly biblical which is clearly not biblical.


Spare me the overreaction. Instead, be proactive and provide appropriate information and context to your statements.
Boy are you good at creating blame. Have you ever repeated the Lord's prayer and meant it?
 
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morefaithrequired

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Meatloaf to God.....
"I would do anything for God........but I wont do that!"
 

Dino246

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Boy are you good at creating blame. Have you ever repeated the Lord's prayer and meant it?
When you own your error, we can move on. When I make an error, then I'll own it.
 

presidente

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Paul tells us we should tell God no, we won’t be physically circumcised nor will we restrict our diet. We tell God we will be circumcised in spirit and truth and we will watch our spiritual food. Most gentiles also tell God no, we will not celebrate any feast God tells us to celebrate and no, we won’t honor the last day of the week like Jews do, not even spiritually. We decided on the first day of the week because of Christ. Is this what Christ wants us to do? Is Christ really one with the Father so what the Father tells us, so does the Son?
A lot of Gentiles will say no, they will not refrain from eating meats the Lord did not command them to refrain from, and no, they will not be physically circumcised when God does not requirement it, and no, they will not celebrate feast days that God did not require them to celebrate, etc.

God gave Noah creeping things to eat. He told Israelites not to eat them. He gave Israelites feasts to observe. Where does He say that Gentiles must keep them?
 

Blik

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A lot of Gentiles will say no, they will not refrain from eating meats the Lord did not command them to refrain from, and no, they will not be physically circumcised when God does not requirement it, and no, they will not celebrate feast days that God did not require them to celebrate, etc.

God gave Noah creeping things to eat. He told Israelites not to eat them. He gave Israelites feasts to observe. Where does He say that Gentiles must keep them?
To me the Lord tells us that He sees people as humans all of the same kind as if we all had the same color skin. Paul explains it quite completely in Romans. There are numerous places in the OT telling us this. But as has been pointed out, I am quite alone with that thought.

When the Jews escaped from slavery in Egypt we are told that it was not only Jews but a mixed crowd but they were all included. The Jews were originally gentiles, every one. Abraham who God made the first Jew was a native of Mesopotamia and a gentile. The only gentiles who didn't reject God were individuals like Ruth who joined the Hebrews and lived with them like Ruth did. God did not reject gentiles but many scriptures tell the Jews they were the same and under the same instructions.

To me, saying they are different so God spoke to them in a different way just does not make sense any more than Hitler did. Any gentiles could join them if they accepted Him, join at any time.
 

presidente

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To me the Lord tells us that He sees people as humans all of the same kind as if we all had the same color skin. Paul explains it quite completely in Romans. There are numerous places in the OT telling us this. But as has been pointed out, I am quite alone with that thought.

When the Jews escaped from slavery in Egypt we are told that it was not only Jews but a mixed crowd but they were all included. The Jews were originally gentiles, every one. Abraham who God made the first Jew was a native of Mesopotamia and a gentile. The only gentiles who didn't reject God were individuals like Ruth who joined the Hebrews and lived with them like Ruth did. God did not reject gentiles but many scriptures tell the Jews they were the same and under the same instructions.

To me, saying they are different so God spoke to them in a different way just does not make sense any more than Hitler did. Any gentiles could join them if they accepted Him, join at any time.
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To me the Lord tells us that He sees people as humans all of the same kind as if we all had the same color skin. Paul explains it quite completely in Romans. There are numerous places in the OT telling us this. But as has been pointed out, I am quite alone with that thought.

When the Jews escaped from slavery in Egypt we are told that it was not only Jews but a mixed crowd but they were all included. The Jews were originally gentiles, every one. Abraham who God made the first Jew was a native of Mesopotamia and a gentile. The only gentiles who didn't reject God were individuals like Ruth who joined the Hebrews and lived with them like Ruth did. God did not reject gentiles but many scriptures tell the Jews they were the same and under the same instructions.

To me, saying they are different so God spoke to them in a different way just does not make sense any more than Hitler did. Any gentiles could join them if they accepted Him, join at any time.
Peter said that men of every nation who do what is right are acceptable with him.

On the other hand, Paul wrote this about Gentiles:
Ephesians 2
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Gentiles were, generally, without hope and without God in the world.

But Paul also teaches that by the works of the law, no flesh shall be justified in his site, and that that the righteousness of God apart from the law has been revealed, being witnessed by the law and the prophets (Romans 3:21.)

I wonder if, after reading your post, you think the way that the nations become righteous with God is through being circumcised and obeying the law of Moses. in Acts 15, Peter advised not putting the Gentiles under a yoke that neither he nor their fathers could bear.

Abraham was justified by faith before he was circumcised. Noah had a covenant with God, also, before Abraham. Gentiles are justified by faith in Christ Jesus, not by being circumcised and taking upon themselves the obligation to keep the law of Moses. Paul was very much opposed to Gentiles being circumcised and taking upon themselves this obligation, as we see in Galatians.