Is it Wrong to go to Synagogue?

[iamsoandso]

I think if we really want to get a deeper look at the Old Testament from the [Language] it was written in. The Jews explaining the Tanakh is a valuable choice to make. To ask their views on Yeshua and the New Covenant, is good for conversation. For me, the Old Testament is Jesus Christ. Every time God was in [person form] dealing with Abraham, Joshua, Moses,' Jacob, Adam/Eve and so forth it "was/is" the WORD. Even as a Burning Bush calling Himself Elohim and I AM to Moses, He was/is the WORD. Even though the Jews do not look at the WORD here in the Old Testament as Yeshua/Jesus, they still can explain what is happening in the Hebrew Language from passed down word of mouth tradition. We can then apply that as it was the WORD who would eventually be made flesh as our Sacrifice and being the God who also dealt with humanity in the Old Testament. The Bible as a true [lineage] account also is the Story of the WORD from Creation to End.

If you do you should be ready because many Christians end up in Jewish roots,COG,WWCOG ect. and instead of "converting Jews" they end up "converted themselves". The Jews for the most part believe the New Covenant only applies to them and so to them it has nothing to do with the gentiles(they see gentiles under the 7 Noahide laws) https://www.aish.com/atr/Jeremiah-31-and-the-New-Covenant.html

The way they see the blood of Christ I mentioned a few post back but the chief Scripture they will spring on Christians is Proverbs 17:15 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/proverbs/17.htm The reason why is that they will say that you cannot be saved by the "just"(think Jesus) by saying that a just, guiltless Jesus could make you(wicked) clean because both are an abomination(this stumps most Christians they ask). If you have difficulty seeing this I'll be back later tonight but how would you answer them if they said it was an abomination to ascribe all sin on Jesus to justify you from sin.

 

[Blik]

It is not us who judge them it is God

it is also God who tells them to love them because of the promises but hate them concerning the gospel. Because according to the gospel they are the enemy of God.

you want to join them in their gospel, as you have been prone to say since you first got here, it’s no secret you are Jewish roots, but even now you go further and want to join them where Jesus will not even be taught, where he is not believed in, where he is spit on and mocked.

that’s sad my friend

That is what I have been trying to get accepted, it is God who decides. When you state that you know how God has decided, that is the judgment I am arguing against. You would be unable to state they are going to hell if you did not judge them.

We are told to bless them. We are told to avoid people who are against God, but they are not against God as God has revealed Himself to them, God blinded them to Christ for our sakes, not because of anything they did. There is no scripture to tell us have nothing to do with them. We can know they are wrong not to accept Christ, but we can do that and still bless them and accept them, letting their judgment be only in God's hands.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is what I have been trying to get accepted, it is God who decides. When you state that you know how God has decided, that is the judgment I am arguing against. You would be unable to state they are going to hell if you did not judge them.

We are told to bless them. We are told to avoid people who are against God, but they are not against God as God has revealed Himself to them, God blinded them to Christ for our sakes, not because of anything they did. There is no scripture to tell us have nothing to do with them. We can know they are wrong not to accept Christ, but we can do that and still bless them and accept them, letting their judgment be only in God's hands.

You don’t get it maybe because you fail to grasp

they do NT believe I. The name of Jesus, because of that they are condemned, whether you and I think it is true or not does not matter

in Romans 11, paul tells,us, that those jews are beloved because of the promises, but hated concerning the gospel. Why? Because they are blind

now if you want to join them, you as much as supporting them in their unbelief, and basically supporting their travel to hell

what worries me is if you ever recieved Christ, I see no evidence of this, only God knows. But you insisting we can join them in their false gospel does nothing to quell that thinking

 

[SoulSearcher]

God blinded them to Christ for our sakes, not because of anything they did.

Why would god blind anyone from Christ?

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
John 14:6

 

[KingdomBrat]

If you do you should be ready because many Christians end up in Jewish roots,COG,WWCOG ect. and instead of "converting Jews" they end up "converted themselves". The Jews for the most part believe the New Covenant only applies to them and so to them it has nothing to do with the gentiles(they see gentiles under the 7 Noahide laws) https://www.aish.com/atr/Jeremiah-31-and-the-New-Covenant.html

The way they see the blood of Christ I mentioned a few post back but the chief Scripture they will spring on Christians is Proverbs 17:15 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/proverbs/17.htm The reason why is that they will say that you cannot be saved by the "just"(think Jesus) by saying that a just, guiltless Jesus could make you(wicked) clean because both are an abomination(this stumps most Christians they ask). If you have difficulty seeing this I'll be back later tonight but how would you answer them if they said it was an abomination to ascribe all sin on Jesus to justify you from sin.

You've done a rather impressive attempt to explaining how you see the [big] picture. I agree to it. But I never found myself wanting to be Jewish, even though heritage wise I have Jewish Blood tracing as far back to 1700's New York to Brazil to Netherlands to 70 A.D. Personally, I am excited when Jewish people find happiness and meaning in certain areas of the Torah/Tanakh. When I learn why they are excited about it I am thinking that Was the WORD these people are discussing and finding hope in. They just never connect the dots.

As far as the sins of all be laid at one person, the Jews aren't properly viewing what [type] of Person it would take to achieve this. They are using practical reasoning and deducting. But if they are sincere in loving Yahweh, they still have to admit if Christ is God it is [possible].

 

[iamsoandso]

You've done a rather impressive attempt to explaining how you see the [big] picture. I agree to it. But I never found myself wanting to be Jewish, even though heritage wise I have Jewish Blood tracing as far back to 1700's New York to Brazil to Netherlands to 70 A.D. Personally, I am excited when Jewish people find happiness and meaning in certain areas of the Torah/Tanakh. When I learn why they are excited about it I am thinking that Was the WORD these people are discussing and finding hope in. They just never connect the dots.

As far as the sins of all be laid at one person, the Jews aren't properly viewing what [type] of Person it would take to achieve this. They are using practical reasoning and deducting. But if they are sincere in loving Yahweh, they still have to admit if Christ is God it is [possible].

Well no I didn't think you were wanting to be Jewish from things you said in your post,I suppose everyone says what's in their mind if you listen close.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Why would god blind anyone from Christ?

When people choose to be wilfully blind, then God blinds them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why would god blind anyone from Christ?

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me."
John 14:6

Amen, People are blinded by unbelief

god does not keep truth from them or keep them believing, they are just blind because they refuse to see.

 

[Blik]

You don’t get it maybe because you fail to grasp

they do NT believe I. The name of Jesus, because of that they are condemned, whether you and I think it is true or not does not matter

in Romans 11, paul tells,us, that those jews are beloved because of the promises, but hated concerning the gospel. Why? Because they are blind

now if you want to join them, you as much as supporting them in their unbelief, and basically supporting their travel to hell

what worries me is if you ever recieved Christ, I see no evidence of this, only God knows. But you insisting we can join them in their false gospel does nothing to quell that thinking

I believe scripture telling us they were blinded for our sakes, and evidently you do not. The Lord gives us freedom to believe as the holy spirit tells us both.

Your statement that I insist we should join them is false, surely as I have explained that over and over you are aware you are in error when you say that. I think the Lord wants us to understand and accept them, even though we never are to accept their idea of Christ. I hope this is an error in your understanding of my posts and not a deliberate way twisting what I say so you are an enemy of the Lord.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe scripture telling us they were blinded for our sakes, and evidently you do not. The Lord gives us freedom to believe as the holy spirit tells us both.

Your statement that I insist we should join them is false, surely as I have explained that over and over you are aware you are in error when you say that. I think the Lord wants us to understand and accept them, even though we never are to accept their idea of Christ. I hope this is an error in your understanding of my posts and not a deliberate way twisting what I say so you are an enemy of the Lord.

Lol

it was not me who stated we should join them in the synagogs, maybe it’s time you admit what you say and stop try g to blame others

they are blinded, by their unbelief,

 

[Blik]

Amen, People are blinded by unbelief

god does not keep truth from them or keep them believing, they are just blind because they refuse to see.

ROMANS 11:1-2: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. GOD HAS NOT CAST AWAY HIS PEOPLE WHOM HE FOREKNEW.

ROMANS 11:7-12: What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. Just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day……………………I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! BUT THROUGH THEIR FALL, TO PROVOKE THEM TO JEALOUSY, SALVATION HAS COME TO THE GENTILES. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

ROMANS 11:19-24: You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY [THE JEWS] WERE BROKEN OFF, AND YOU [GENTILES] STAND BY FAITH. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches [THE JEWS], He may not spare you [GENTILES] either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those [JEWS] who fell, severity; but toward you [GENTILES], goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS [IF YOU OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS]. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they [JEWS] also, if they do not continue in unbelief [OF YESHUA BEING THEIR MESSIAH], will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them [THE JEWS] in again. For if you [GENTILES] were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these [THE JEWS], who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

 

[iamsoandso]

ROMANS 11:1-2: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. GOD HAS NOT CAST AWAY HIS PEOPLE WHOM HE FOREKNEW.

ROMANS 11:7-12: What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. Just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day……………………I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! BUT THROUGH THEIR FALL, TO PROVOKE THEM TO JEALOUSY, SALVATION HAS COME TO THE GENTILES. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

ROMANS 11:19-24: You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY [THE JEWS] WERE BROKEN OFF, AND YOU [GENTILES] STAND BY FAITH. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches [THE JEWS], He may not spare you [GENTILES] either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those [JEWS] who fell, severity; but toward you [GENTILES], goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS [IF YOU OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS]. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they [JEWS] also, if they do not continue in unbelief [OF YESHUA BEING THEIR MESSIAH], will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them [THE JEWS] in again. For if you [GENTILES] were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these [THE JEWS], who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Next few verses? 25,26 ect?

 

[Dino246]

I think the Lord wants us to understand and accept them

Which Scripture verses tell you that the Lord wants these things?

 

[Blik]

Which Scripture verses tell you that the Lord wants these things?

Romans 15: 7 Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God. 8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews[b] on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed 9 and, moreover, that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written:

“Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles;
I will sing the praises of your name.”[c]
10 Again, it says,

“Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ROMANS 11:1-2: I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. GOD HAS NOT CAST AWAY HIS PEOPLE WHOM HE FOREKNEW.

ROMANS 11:7-12: What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. Just as it is written: “God has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that they should not hear, to this very day……………………I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! BUT THROUGH THEIR FALL, TO PROVOKE THEM TO JEALOUSY, SALVATION HAS COME TO THE GENTILES. Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

ROMANS 11:19-24: You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF THEY [THE JEWS] WERE BROKEN OFF, AND YOU [GENTILES] STAND BY FAITH. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches [THE JEWS], He may not spare you [GENTILES] either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those [JEWS] who fell, severity; but toward you [GENTILES], goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE IN HIS GOODNESS [IF YOU OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS]. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they [JEWS] also, if they do not continue in unbelief [OF YESHUA BEING THEIR MESSIAH], will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them [THE JEWS] in again. For if you [GENTILES] were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these [THE JEWS], who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Yep.
gif has not cast away his people. That’s why there had always been a remnant

We are blinded by unbelief. Jesus is a stumbling stone to the Jew who have nit repented
he does not force them to be blind
they are blinded by unbelief. Just like Romans 1 says.

 

[Beez]

Synagogue, a word used by the Greeks meaning assembly, c congregation or even a church. It was not limited to the worship places for those who are descendants of Abraham.

I go to synagogue every Sabbath that I can, but I didn't know this!

 

[Dino246]

Romans 15: 7 Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God. 8 For I tell you that Christ has become a servant of the Jews[b] on behalf of God’s truth, so that the promises made to the patriarchs might be confirmed 9 and, moreover, that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written:

“Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles;
I will sing the praises of your name.”[c]
10 Again, it says,

“Rejoice, you Gentiles, with his people.

With respect, you have completely misunderstood what God is saying here. The context starts back in chapter 14, where God is telling Christians not to treat other Christians as inferior just because they have a different understanding on debatable issues. The "accept one another" of 15:7 is built on that context; Christians are to accept other Christians.

Additionally, God is saying to ethnically Jewish Christians that gentile Christians are to be accepted fully. He lays out several passages from the Old Testament to make His point.

He is not saying that Christians are to accept unrepentant Jews.

 

[Blik]

With respect, you have completely misunderstood what God is saying here. The context starts back in chapter 14, where God is telling Christians not to treat other Christians as inferior just because they have a different understanding on debatable issues. The "accept one another" of 15:7 is built on that context; Christians are to accept other Christians.

Additionally, God is saying to ethnically Jewish Christians that gentile Christians are to be accepted fully. He lays out several passages from the Old Testament to make His point.

He is not saying that Christians are to accept unrepentant Jews.

You think I am misunderstanding scripture, and I think you are limiting the meaning of scripture. I will reread this scripture prayerfully. I hope you do the same.