Is Jesus of Nazareth the prophesied Messiah from the O.T.?

[GodIsSalvation]

are you serious?

This thread was started because I asked you in another post the question. When did jesus fulfill the highlighted parts of the point I made.

and you say I did not ask a question?

wow. just wow.

Brother, you posted this because you disagree that Jesus is the servant of God. I have show you just two instances of Jesus fulfilling exactly that.

This is your post, to which I responded for which you will notice you asked me no question. Is there any question mark?

No. this was said of the servant of God. not the messiah. The servant of God was given no name, that is why the disciples could not correlate him as messiah and going through these things, not once was it told that the messiah would suffer these things.

Quite the opposite.

Zechariah 14:9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.
Zechariah 14:16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty

Micah 5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.
5:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the Lord, in the majesty of the name of the Lord his God. And they will live securely, for then his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

Nothing in here shows he will be a servant, they all state he will be served, and worshiped. He will be ruler of=ver his people. And peace of his people will be everlasting. There has not been peace for Isreal or christians on the earth since he left. Quite the opposite.\


and these are but a few of the messianic prophesies, there are many more which say the same thing

But nice try.

Jesus fulfills those prophecies too. Does a sheperd serve his sheep? Does a King serve his Kingdom?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just so there are no question of what the people thought concerning the messiah.

john 12: 31 Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” 33 This He said, signifying by what death He would die.

34 The people answered Him, “We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever; and how can You say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this Son of Man?”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

stop it, they all need saving Jew and Gentile...

just stop it

no you stop it.

I know they needed saved.

THEY DID NOT THINK THEY NEEDED SAVED.

why do you think they crucified him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Brother, you posted this because you disagree that Jesus is the servant of God. I have show you just two instances of Jesus fulfilling exactly that.

Just two? Not one did you show how the people who came to battle against jerusalem come once a year to jersualem and worship the king. When did you show me when that happened?

is your post, to which I responded for which you will notice you asked me no question. Is there any question mark?

No. that was not it.

This is the question. remember, it is the quote you opened this thread with.

did you even read what I posted?

Messianic prophesies - micah 5: 2 - Zech 14: 9-16:

1. He will be human, born as a child
2. He will be a ruler (government will be on his shoulders)
3. He will be God himself (He will be called mighty God)
4. His kingdom will be eternal, it will never end.
5. He will NEVER DIE
6. He will come from Judah, and rule isreal, and his kingdom will be worldwide in scope. and his kingdom will come from the strength of God himself. it can not be defeated.
7. Those who rebelled againsed him, and survived the final battle will come and worship him. No one will look down on him, but look up to him. and serve him and him only.
8. He will be served, not be a servant.
9. We are given his name: Messiah, or as we know it Christ.

Now look at the bolded parts of the characteristics of king messiah, and tell me when Jesus did that while he was on earth?

I will give you an example.

This messiah was said to never die, yet Jesus died. What is wrong with that picture. Why did jesus die, if the prophesies said he would never die?Apparently, He isn't.

and your going to tell me there was no question mark?

 

[4enlightment]

Apparently, He isn't.

Zechariah 9:9 Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion!
Shout, Daughter Jerusalem!
See, your king comes to you,
righteous and victorious,
lowly and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Zechariah 12:10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

 

[Hizikyah]

no you stop it.

I know they needed saved.

THEY DID NOT THINK THEY NEEDED SAVED.

why do you think they crucified him.

LOL, so ok because they misunderstood you must now misunderstand in the exact same way?

 

[psalm6819]

well if you aren't sure- He IS and

He shall reign forever and ever

King of Kings forever forever

Lord of Lords forever and ever

whoops, sorry I try not to sing in public

 

[Hizikyah]

well if you aren't sure- He IS and

He shall reign forever and ever

King of Kings forever forever

Lord of Lords forever and ever

whoops, sorry I try not to sing in public

Psalm 21:1-6, "O Yahweh, the King rejoices in Your strength! In Your salvation how greatly He rejoices! You have given Him His heart's desire, and You have not withheld the request of His lips. Selah. For You meet Him with the blessings of righteousness. You set a crown of pure gold upon His head. He asked life from You, and You gave it to Him--life everlasting! Great is His glory through Your salvation; honor and majesty You have set upon Him. For You have made Him most blessed forever, and You have made Him glad in the joy of Your presence. For the King trusts in Yahweh, and from the love of the Almighty He will never turn."

 

[Hizikyah]

Declare the KING! Yahshua the Messiah our Savior and King! Praise and glory to YHWH Most High!

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Just two? Not one did you show how the people who came to battle against jerusalem come once a year to jersualem and worship the king. When did you show me when that happened?




No. that was not it.

This is the question. remember, it is the quote you opened this thread with.



and your going to tell me there was no question mark?

Then it would seem to me your question from the OP's post is not answered on Point 8, for we agree Jesus is the servant of God, but rather on Point 5 that he will never die. Since Jesus is raised from the dead he is master over death and lives forever. Since Jesus lives forever the Revelation is true and therefore the words of the prophet Zechariah should be considerred more closely indeed.

As for those points in Micah and Isaiah, surely just Jesus being born even fulfills much of those indeed and acts such as Jesus washing his disciples feet, healing the sick, and speaking his justice are all good further proofs of these fulfillments.

 

[psalm6819]

No. The argument is not about that. The argument is about people who claim to be christians and believe that God owes to the Jews a piece of land. People who claim to be christians and believe that God has two different covenants: one with national Israel and another one with us, christians.

This is what is all about.

ummm He does have 2 covenants. We don't have to be jealous of Israel/Jacob, the country or the descendants. We have a better covenant anyway.

He doesn't love them more or us more, yes, in the end His goal is all of us together no jew, no gentile, no male or female just all God's children.

 

[Hizikyah]

ummm He does have 2 covenants. We don't have to be jealous of Israel/Jacob, the country or the descendants. We have a better covenant anyway.

He doesn't love them more or us more, yes, in the end His goal is all of us together no jew, no gentile, no male or female just all God's children.

The covenant ratified in the Messiahs blood is for Hebrew, Jewish and gentile, and it is the only valid agreement

Galations 3:28,29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

 

[Hizikyah]

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then it would seem to me your question from the OP's post is not answered on Point 8, for we agree Jesus is the servant of God, but rather on Point 5 that he will never die. Since Jesus is raised from the dead he is master over death and lives forever. Since Jesus lives forever the Revelation is true and therefore the words of the prophet Zechariah should be considerred more closely indeed.

As for those points in Micah and Isaiah, surely just Jesus being born even fulfills much of those indeed and acts such as Jesus washing his disciples feet, healing the sick, and speaking his justice are all good further proofs of these fulfillments.

lol

My response to the question of the op.

did you read the op? the op was about me asking her questions concerning the messianic prophesies.

You need to go reread the op. And read MY POST SHE QUOTED.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It was Gods plan along to save jew and gentile alike.

it was also his plan from the start to use the nation of isreal to spread his gospel to all the nations of the world (a thing they did not do up till this day)

Is. 49:5,6 And now says the Lord, who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant… “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”

 

[GodIsSalvation]

lol

My response to the question of the op.

did you read the op? the op was about me asking her questions concerning the messianic prophesies.

You need to go reread the op. And read MY POST SHE QUOTED.

Ah I thought the OP was citing your list as her beliefs, and thus I answered them in my first post on the subject. Though it appears you and she have a minor dispute for which case it makes more sense in hindsight why she thank me when I was merely trying to answer her questions.

Lol which then seems to me we would agree that Jesus indeed rose from the dead thus living forever and instead we are back to point 8 for that's the only point of yours I found wrong lol. In which case in Matthew the statement by Jesus the the Son of Man comes to minister to people, and not to be ministered to is strongest statement followed up with the actions to prove ithe Son of man is indeed the righteous and suffering servant.

If it be though however the point is point 5, which I thought tied more into your only question of; When did Jesus do all this on Earth? then indeed John 20 and John 21 be good proofs.

 

[Kerry]

Didn't God promise Eve a means for salvation?

 

[GuessWho]

It was Gods plan along to save jew and gentile alike.

it was also his plan from the start to use the nation of isreal to spread his gospel to all the nations of the world (a thing they did not do up till this day)

Is. 49:5,6 And now says the Lord, who formed Me from the womb to be His Servant… “It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also make You a light of the nations So that My salvation may reach to the end of the earth.”

What do you mean "a thing they did not do up till this day"?
Jesus Christ is the true Israel. He is the light of the world and His salvation reaches to the end of earth.

 

[GuessWho]

45 Then many of the Jews who had come to Mary, and had seen the things Jesus did, believed in Him. 46 But some of them went away to the Pharisees and told them the things Jesus did. 47 Then the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered a council and said, “What shall we do? For this Man works many signs. 48 If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and nation.”
49 And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, 50 nor do you consider that it is expedient for us[e] that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.” 51 Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, 52 and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.

There you have it. The political and theological reason why Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah and why did he die. There is no reason to split the Messiah into two: one for national Israel and another one for the Christians.

Jesus of Nazareth is the true Messiah and He delivered all the nations (including Israel) from the exodus of sin and death.

The covenant is renewed by His blood and whoever says that God has two different covenants: one with national Israel and another one with Christians, is belittling (or even denying unconsciously) Jesus Christ and His cross.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes he is.....Jesus is the (ANNOINTED) one who takes away the sin of the world.....receive, believe in and confess him = eternal life...deny him and cook for all eternity!