Is Jesus still God and Man?

[peacefulbeliever]

Um, No. The empty tomb demonstrates that Jesus rose in the same body, although glorified, that he was crucified in. The following scripture supports this:

"Why are you troubled,” Jesus asked, “and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

When the resurrection takes place, they will rise, their bodies being glorified, but will have a body of flesh and bone like Jesus, but with heavenly characteristics, which is referred to as a spiritual body. Remember, spiritual does not mean invisible and intangible.

John 20:14,15 And when she (Mary) had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, woman, why do you weep? whom do you seek? She, supposing him to be the gardener, said unto him, sir, if you have borne him hence, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.
All the time she spent with Jesus, you would think she would have recognized him if he looked the same. . . In fact, that is what I said "his body was NOT the same". She only recognized it was him when he spoke her name. (v16)

Luke 24:15,16 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. but their eyes were holden that they should not know him. . . . (v18) And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Are you a stranger in Jerusalem, and have not known the things which have come to pass here in these days? . . . concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people . . . Only when Jesus broke bread with them were their eyes opened and they knew him then he vanished. (v30,31) Even in the record you gave - apparently they didn't recognize him until he showed them his hands and feet.

Apparently his resurrected body was "different" or can you "appear" in a room when the doors are shut or "vanish" from a place?

He was sown a natural body . . . scripture doesn't say what type of body he had when he showed himself unto the disciples but it could "appear" and it could "vanish". He was not recognizable as he was before . . . he showed himself unto the disciples for forty days then he ascended and became a "life-giving spirit". We also will be sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body for there is a natural body and a spiritual body. (1 Cor. 15:44,45)

 

[BeyondET]

Just wondering how this "works" after his ascension.

Are you referring to one or all of them?

 

[garee]

Um, No. The empty tomb demonstrates that Jesus rose in the same body, although glorified, that he was crucified in. The following scripture supports this:

The same new temporal body that was not recognized by those when they saw Him? The one that could walk through walls ? His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:

God is not a man as us. Never was never could be. He as the Son of God (not the Son of man) He remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof. Of his own flesh he informs us it did not profit because it could not. He poured out His Spirit as if it was literal blood. Flesh and blood will not because it cannot enter the incorruptible new heavens and earth .

"Why are you troubled,” Jesus asked, “and why do doubts arise in your hearts? Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

He was not teaching them to walk by sight (no faith) requiring a sign before they believed. It was that in which he was apposing. The one time demonstration is over. That which represented the unseen glory is still unseen. God is not a man as us.

John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

When the resurrection takes place, they will rise, their bodies being glorified, but will have a body of flesh and bone like Jesus, but with heavenly characteristics, which is referred to as a spiritual body. Remember, spiritual does not mean invisible and intangible.

Yes it does not mean invisible to the creation, each seed has its own kind of flesh .What we will be is not known. But we will be like the angels no way to procreate.

By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible. Heb 11:27

He remains invisible he came once for a demonstration of a work that has been finished from the foundation of the world as a Lamb slain. The promised outward demonstration of pouring out His Spirit as if it was literal blood did not slay him again exposing him to public shame as if once from the foundation (6 days he did work) was not enough.

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 2Co 5:16

 

[Locutus]

One day I heard catholic say Jesus is remain a man and God, that why He still Mary son.
The relationship between Jesus and Mary AS mother and son is forever.

That what they say.

The Hypostatic Union has it's basis in the Chalcedonian Creed "hammered" out at the Council of Chalcedon way back in 451 AD.

 

[Zmouth]

When Jesus appeared to Thomas and the others, his body was NOT the same - Mary didn't recognize him (16,17) . . . he appeared in the midst of the disciples (v19) even though the doors were shut. He had not yet ascended to the Father.


1 Corinthians 15:45 (NASB)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] So also it is written, "The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Jesus became a life-giving spirit.

Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself:
handle me, and see;
for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luke 24:39

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[EJS1023]

Yes, Jesus is still Man and God.
Job cry for One who could pull both man and God together, see Job 9:32-33. This is what Jesus the 2nd Member of the Godhead did for us. By becoming a Man, He was made poor that we might be made rich by Him, II Corinthians 8:9.

During the Feast of Passover and Unleavened Bread is a little known Feast called Firstfruits. Because of our sins humanity til Jesus came, was subjected to death. But the Word (Jesus), promise in Hosea chapter 13 verse 14 to ransom and redeem us from death. The Feast of Firstfruit spoken in Leviticus 23:9-14; even gives us the exact day of the week Christ would rise, see verse 11. Paul calls Jesus our FirstFruits, I Corinthians 15:20-23; for we are even told by Paul that by Man came the resurrection in verse 21.

Hebrews 2:9-18 states to suffer death, Jesus was made lower than the Angels that is made a man. And while Jesus is still God, so that He might be our High Priest He is still a Man see verses 16-18.

As the First Resurrected Man when Jesus returns He will change our vile bodies and fashioned them like unto His glorious body by His power, Philippians 3:20-21 see also I John 3:1-2. But because for our sake as our High Priest He is still Man, He will submit Himself to the Father, I Corinthians 15:27-28.

So I believe the Bible clearly show us that as our High Priest that Jesus will continue to be the God/Man. This was always God plan, for Jesus (the Word) speaks for all Three Members of the Trinity in Isaiah 48:16-17.

 

[Enoch987]

In Daniel 10, Daniels' lord is Jesus. The one difference between Jesus in Revelation 1 and Daniel's lord is one has a sash, the other has a belt. How did Daniel's lord became a baby human who had to be taught how to lace his sandals? The one characteristic of Jesus that doesn't change is He is his obedience to the Father.

 

[MarcR]

He also saw him with a sword sticking out of his mouth. I don't take that literally either.

I believe that Scripture should be taken literally unless there is compelling linguistic reason not to.

Here we have compelling linguistic reason not to. The figurative use of Scripture as the sword of the Spirit was established by Jesus, Himself. The sword coming from Jesus' mouth is Scriptural truth.

 

[MarcR]

I don't think that is necessarily the error of the Gnostic's, from what I've read Gnosticism was quite a bit later than John according to more up to date research.

Jesus was deity before his incarnation, so I still question why after his ascension he retained a form of a man.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is.

If John did not know what we would be like, so that begs the question if he was like a man then John would gnow......this - pun intended

We know that He did NOT loose His physical body. He was in His physical body when He appeared to the disciples after the resurrection; and was still in His physical body when He ascended into heaven.

 

[Zmouth]

He also saw him with a sword sticking out of his mouth. I don't take that literally either.

If you are referring the passage in Rev 1:16 ".... and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword:..." then out of his mouth when the word of God that seeing that God is a God of truth, then one could conclude that they are words of truth.

 

[Bladerunner]

I think He is still both.

"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."
1Tm 2:5

"...we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life."
(1J 5:20)

Unless I read it wrong, Only a Man could open the Scroll with the seals, trumpets and Bowls.

John Saw Jesus Open the Scroll,,,,, Yes, He is also a Man and will rule on David Throne in Jerusalem with an iron fist (very Physical)..

 

[OneFaith]

Just wondering how this "works" after his ascension.

He is no longer physical. And He says when we see Him we will change to spiritual bodies like His.

 

[OneFaith]

Unless I read it wrong, Only a Man could open the Scroll with the seals, trumpets and Bowls.

John Saw Jesus Open the Scroll,,,,, Yes, He is also a Man and will rule on David Throne in Jerusalem with an iron fist (very Physical)..

This is symbolic, not physical. Who has a fist made of iron instead of skin?

 

[TMS]

He is 100% God always was and always will be.
But He chose to become 100% man so that He could become our advocate.
So 100% both.

 

[TMS]

The things about the nature of God that are not clearly defined we should not presume about, it isn't safe ground, we should leave it until we have heavenly light.

 

[mj007]

The difference between Jesus and ourselves is;

We are born of God, into a human chassis with it's own mind, and we become it while struggling with the concept of staying in God. We identify most often, with the human chassis both characteristics, personality, identity and mind.

Jesus was born of God, into a human chassis with it's own mind, and he stayed in God. The human chassis was merely a tool by which he could speak, act, and move around.

Of Jesus, we have all experienced this kind of awareness, at some point in our lives. But it is another thing 'choosing' to live it. Even I know it and struggle to make the decision. Work is hard. Life is hard. People can be cruel. The world can be cruel. So many things we have to blind our self to 'physically', in order to see 'spiritually', the beauty of God that is in everything. It is an other-worldly perception. But, I know, having been in that perception many times, it is where peace and joy exist.

There is much suffering in being human, in living a human life, in partially connecting to God, in partially realising our natural image rather than self image.

 

[valiant]

The reason the LORD Jesus was 'at the right hand of God' was because of His manhood. He was there in His resurrection body.

 

[MarcR]

We know that Jesus was resurrected in human form because Mary was able to clutch His feet and He was able to eat with the disciples in the upper room. Yet we know that His resurrection body was able to pass through walls; so whatever He retains of Human form does not limit Him as we are limited. It seems that in some way His Spiritual form and His physical form have merged. I think that at least for now, how this works is beyond our understanding.

 

[posthuman]

Christ set aside His glory and humbled Himself to take on human flesh, and He was bodily resurrected. that's very clear in the scripture - it's very clear that in exactly the same way, we will be bodily resurrected - yes, we will be changed ((1 Cor. 15)) and be as He is, but that does not mean we will be spirit and no longer have substance, any more than the same is true of Him: after He rose, when He appeared to the disciples they thought He was a ghost ((a spirit without bodily form)). He corrected them, having them touch Him, and taking & eating some fish - to prove that He is not only spirit, but has a substantive body.

why?

“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”
This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church.
(Ephesians 5:31-32) ​

the promise of God is that we will know Him, and that He will walk with us and our home will be with Him. that we will see Him face-to-face. Paul tells us here the great and profound mystery of this is that just as man leaves his father and mother for his wife, and clings to her, and they become one flesh, in the same way, Christ loves the church.

Christ set aside His glory to become man, and having accomplished the work that redeems His bride, He sits as His enemies become His footstool, preparing a place for His bride and waiting for the day & hour that He will take her so that we may be one.

He has every just & righteous "right" to cast off His humanity now - but will He is the question? or does He keep it, so that He can be forever our priest forever, taken from among His brothers? does He keep it, so that He can become one with His bride?

He loves us as a husband loves his wife. that's a sacrificial love -- and i believe that even though He doesn't have to be man, He is, for our sake, out of His love for us, in order to make intercession for us, in order to be with us, and in order for us to be with Him. He will never leave us or forsake us: how is that accomplished if He sets aside His humanity, being God, whose face no one can see & live?

we will be changed, and be as He is, but He is not formless; He is not without a body.

 

[posthuman]

Apparently his resurrected body was "different" or can you "appear" in a room when the doors are shut or "vanish" from a place?

He was sown a natural body . . . scripture doesn't say what type of body he had when he showed himself unto the disciples but it could "appear" and it could "vanish". He was not recognizable as he was before . . . he showed himself unto the disciples for forty days then he ascended and became a "life-giving spirit". We also will be sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body for there is a natural body and a spiritual body. (1 Cor. 15:44,45)

this isn't any different than what He did before He rose.

how many times did groups of people, all around Him, intently watching Him, intend to stone Him or to arrest Him ((& even to forcefully make Him king)), but He walked right out of the middle of them without any of them being able to perceive how He left or to follow & chase Him down??

seriously, what's more amazing, appearing in the middle of a room full of people who are not expecting or looking for Him at all? or escaping right out of the middle of an angry mob that is completely focused on Him?

He didn't "suddenly gain" power over physics after He was resurrected. He had been daily displaying exactly the same power & authority over creation for 3 years straight.