Is Joseph the Father Of Christ According To The Flesh That was Promised to David?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,726
13,521
113
Luke 3:23
being as men supposed the sonne of Ioseph
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

There is no such thing as Black Hebrew Israelites.
Hebrews are people of color in scriptures. They are always compare to Egyptians who are Africans in scripture.

The real Jews:
In Deuteronomy there are blessings and curses that Ahayah set before his people the Children of Israel if they were obedient or disobedient. First came the blessings, then the curses, as we know they were disobedient and were cursed. All of those were put upon them for a sign of who they are and that’s the only way you know who they are.

So do a comparison and see who all of those curses fit!

In 70 AD the Children of Israel was told by Christ to flee Jerusalem and go over the mountains which led into Africa Egypt:

These scriptures explain:

Luke 21:20 And when yee shall see Hierusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Iudea, flee to the mountaines, and let them which are in the midst of it, depart out, and let not them that are in the countreys, enter thereinto.
Luke 21:22 For these be the dayes of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:23 But woe vnto them that are with childe, and to them that giue sucke in those dayes, for there shalbe great distresse in the land, and wrath vpon this people.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall bee led away captiue into all nations, and Hierusalem shall be troden downe of the Gentiles, vntill the times of the Gentiles bee fulfilled.

What white jewish people ran into Africa Egypt a Black Country to hide out there.
Doesn’t make sense.

The Children of Israel then settled in the West coasts of Africa where they were taken into slaveships to serve in captivity to be sold as slaves.

Ancient African maps of 14, 15, 16, 1700’s
shows and confirms a place called Negroeland in Africa that the Children of Israel settled on. In Africa might I remind you again.


Also I see no images of white jewish people on those slaveships anywhere.

This is not racist this is truth.

The holocaust is not an event that happened to the Children of Israel.
If so it would’ve been in the scriptures.

Show me in scripture the flight of the white jewish people to Africa as I just showed you us Hebrews.
If it not racist what kind of truth is it?

Book chapter and verse? The Bible does not speak of the flight of the white Jewish people to Africa? A Jew is one inwardly born again of the Spirit of Christ if any man has not t His spirit they simply do not belong to Him .It would seem you are chasing after the wind In the end having nothing to do with Christianity.

Its really simple . We are to know no man after the flesh .

Show one incident where the skin pigment was used to divide born again from those not. Even Jesus said his flesh it profits for nothing.

What would be the actual purpose of a color chart?

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

Here’s are some simple questions?
Christ is said to be the son of man.
Doesn’t say Woman.
So I ask what man?

Also Where is Christ called the son of the Holy Ghost as scripture says He’s the son of man?

As I asked before where is the name Holy Ghost in the genealogy linage of Christ from David to Joseph in scripture
If the Holy Ghost impregnated Mary?

Rightly divide the word.
Not what you want it to mean.

Did you mean rightly divide the colors? Don't you want to know what the bible teaches rather than making color chart that has nothing to do with salvation...?

The name is not in the genealogy linage of the Son of man Jesus from that would be the fleshly seeds ..it ended in Mathew. No need to continue it any further.

In reality the Jew have no way of knowing their own genealogy as much as tracing it back even to the first century .

What Christians are to avail themselves with is the seed singular Christ the "spiritual seed "not seen .It indwells all believers
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,726
13,521
113
The moon is made of cheese:
If someone says the moon is made of cheese, and challenges me to prove that it's not... ok, I can do that.
But I'm going to waste ALL DAY explaining a HUGE AMOUNT of basic science, logic, and history to someone who isn't even listening
And this is why Max wisely doesn't spend much effort on the flat earth threads lol.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
David to Mary & Joseph to King Jesus

Joseph was descended from David from Solomon. While Mary was a descendant of Solomon’s older brother Nathan.

Mary had to find a husband from the tribe of Judah like herself to protect her father’s estate. (See Numbers 36:6-9)

She also needed a direct descendant of Solomon to perfect her son’s claim to the throne of David, since Nathan’s descendants weren’t of the Royal line.

Joseph fit the bill on both accounts but like every other descendant of Solomon’s carried a blood curse disqualifying any biological son of his from ever being King of Israel. (Jeremiah 22:28-30)

Since Joseph was not the Lord’s biological father, he could adopt Him, qualifying Him to be King without passing Him the curse.

Thus, because of the virgin birth, Jesus became the only one in Israel qualified to sit on David’s throne, and remains so to this day.

There are two recorded lineages of Jesus. One from Mary & another from Joseph. Thus, Jesus became Joseph’s actual son via ADOPTION. Old testament adoption gives the child complete equality & all the benefits of a natural born child.

A simpler way to explain it:

Jesus differing genealogies are a result of Matthew's account being Mary's line, and Luke's being Joseph's line

Matthew is about Messiah as King. Luke is about Messiah as the son of man.
Two generations two different paths meeting at the end.

It would seem the first will be last and the last first . Both different beginnings or generations (genesis) . One to Adam the evil generation natural unconverted. (no faith) The other back Abraham the source of faith unseen.The spiritual seed, the generation of Christ.. In Adam all die. In Christ as many as the father gave to the Son are born again.

Matthew 1 King James Version (KJV) 1 The book of the "generation of Jesus Christ", the son of David, the son of Abraham.

The Luke account . A person could say the book of the generation Son of man, Jesus pertaining to the temporal flesh and not his unseen Spirit. His flesh not profiting for anything. Just as he informed us.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

Here’s are some simple questions?
Christ is said to be the son of man.
Doesn’t say Woman.
So I ask what man?

Also Where is Christ called the son of the Holy Ghost as scripture says He’s the son of man?

As I asked before where is the name Holy Ghost in the genealogy linage of Christ from David to Joseph in scripture
If the Holy Ghost impregnated Mary?

Rightly divide the word.
Not what you want it to mean.
Learn what it means to walk by faith then you will not carry out the deed of the father of lies ,who as a murderer from the beginning hates all flesh

No man. >..God is not a man as us. You need to re-calculate like a GPS and turn around.

Son of man speaks of the temporal one time demonstration. Son of God speaks of the eternal Spirit.

Put on the 20/20 GPS prescription. Look in both directions when you make your U turn.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
Jul 27, 2019
106
12
18
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!
We Hebrew Israelite Jews just as Christ are people of color.
Clear description of Christ
Revelation 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with mee. And being turned, I saw seuen golden Candlesticks,
Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seuen candlestickes, one like vnto the Sonne of man, clothed with a garment downe to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Revelation 1:14 His head, and his haires were white like wooll as white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire,
Revelation 1:15 And his feet like vnto fine brasse, as if they burned in a furnace: and his voice as the sound of many waters.

But yet there are false images of Christ throughout the world of Him being a white man and that’s deceptive and goes against scripture.

With false images of Christ also came false doctrines!

For example:
Those who really study the Bible knows there are words and phrases that were added to the original manuscript such as the word Jehovah which is not in the original manuscript, so who put it in there?

Here’s a clue:

Hebrew: יהוה
Transliteration: yehôvâh
Pronunciation: yeh-ho-vaw'
Definition: From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal;
{Jehovah} Jewish national name of God: - {Jehovah} the Lord. Compare {H3050 } H3069 .

Yet the word jewish is no where found in scripture.
 

posthuman

Senior Member
Jul 31, 2013
37,726
13,521
113
Yet the word jewish is no where found in scripture.
For sooth

John 2:13
For the Iewes Passeouer was at hande. Therefore Iesus went vp to Hierusalem.

1 Corinthians 9:20
And vnto the Iewes, I become as a Iewe
 
Jul 27, 2019
106
12
18
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

post scripture showing the word jewish in the Bible
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!
We Hebrew Israelite Jews just as Christ are people of color.
Clear description of Christ
Revelation 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with mee. And being turned, I saw seuen golden Candlesticks,
Revelation 1:13 And in the midst of the seuen candlestickes, one like vnto the Sonne of man, clothed with a garment downe to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Revelation 1:14 His head, and his haires were white like wooll as white as snow, and his eyes were as a flame of fire,
Revelation 1:15 And his feet like vnto fine brasse, as if they burned in a furnace: and his voice as the sound of many waters.

But yet there are false images of Christ throughout the world of Him being a white man and that’s deceptive and goes against scripture.

With false images of Christ also came false doctrines!

For example:
Those who really study the Bible knows there are words and phrases that were added to the original manuscript such as the word Jehovah which is not in the original manuscript, so who put it in there?

Here’s a clue:

Hebrew: יהוה
Transliteration: yehôvâh
Pronunciation: yeh-ho-vaw'
Definition: From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal;
{Jehovah} Jewish national name of God: - {Jehovah} the Lord. Compare {H3050 } H3069 .

Yet the word jewish is no where found in scripture.
God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly mediator (daysman) set between God not seen and man seen with the approval of God not seen and man seen.

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, (born again) which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

A Jew is born again inwardly not according to what the eyes see, Christian walk by faith. You need a new prescription without a color tint...

Here is a hint....Try this one

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

{Jehovah} : saviour of the whole world .
 
Jul 27, 2019
106
12
18
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

Yes we Hebrew Israelite Jews are Jews outwardly by birth and yes we must be born again of the flesh and spirit a requirement from Christ by baptism.
So must gentiles be born again.
Born again doesn’t mean you become a Jew outwardly.
If so then you would also inherit the curses given to the Jews.
 

maxwel

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2013
9,526
2,608
113
Best video I've found so far on Black Hebrew Israelites.

It covers how the movement started, how it split into different groups, how it's extremely racist, and precisely how all of their beliefs are based on a.) ridiculous bible exposition b.) ignorance of clear historical evidence c.) some intentional lies.

There has even been tons of dna testing, so we even have biological proof these guys are not Israelites... they just ignore all evidence and believe lunacy. It's clearly a cult where the people behave as if they're brainwashed... they have complete and utter cognitive dissonance. This is the primary sign of a cult.


This video is long, but very thorough.


 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

Yes we Hebrew Israelite Jews are Jews outwardly by birth and yes we must be born again of the flesh and spirit a requirement from Christ by baptism.
So must gentiles be born again.
Born again doesn’t mean you become a Jew outwardly.
If so then you would also inherit the curses given to the Jews.
The curses or blessings are for mankind who was represented by a Jew up until the time of reformation. . God is no respecter of the flesh.
We are to know no man after what they eyes see the temporal.
 
Jul 27, 2019
106
12
18
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach

Our Father AHAYAH told the world to follow the signs in Deuteronomy because that’s where HE blessed and cursed HIS people and that’s how you’ll be able to identify Them by following the signs!

Our GOD the GOD of the Hebrews as HE said to Moses is watching everything you are posting and saying against HIS people!

This is HIS awakening for HIS people that was prophecied That we would be sleeping and then awakened in the last days while in captivity. The Valley of the Dry Bones. (Read it)
I thank AHAYAH, YASHAYA, WA RAACH for this awakening all over the earth that you are witnessing with the world.
We know who we are! You may not.
But I hope for your sake you really know what you’re doing my friend, I hope you really know what you’re doing!
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
Best video I've found so far on Black Hebrew Israelites.

It covers how the movement started, how it split into different groups, how it's extremely racist, and precisely how all of their beliefs are based on a.) ridiculous bible exposition b.) ignorance of clear historical evidence c.) some intentional lies.

There has even been tons of dna testing, so we even have biological proof these guys are not Israelites... they just ignore all evidence and believe lunacy. It's clearly a cult where the people behave as if they're brainwashed... they have complete and utter cognitive dissonance. This is the primary sign of a cult.


This video is long, but very thorough.


Good reminder to look up.

Interesting. It seemed like the list that separated different shades was a Mafia "hit list". The father of lies has not a prejudice bone .He hates all flesh …. AK your lips are moving. . murder ONE . The whole creation surely did die being revealed from heaven .

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
 

maxwel

Senior Member
Apr 18, 2013
9,526
2,608
113
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach

Our Father AHAYAH told the world to follow the signs in Deuteronomy because that’s where HE blessed and cursed HIS people and that’s how you’ll be able to identify Them by following the signs!

Our GOD the GOD of the Hebrews as HE said to Moses is watching everything you are posting and saying against HIS people!

This is HIS awakening for HIS people that was prophecied That we would be sleeping and then awakened in the last days while in captivity. The Valley of the Dry Bones. (Read it)
I thank AHAYAH, YASHAYA, WA RAACH for this awakening all over the earth that you are witnessing with the world.
We know who we are! You may not.
But I hope for your sake you really know what you’re doing my friend, I hope you really know what you’re doing!

Cult-like Behavior:


I suggest you take a look at the historical evidence I posted in the above video.

To have a knee-jerk reaction, and just start screaming louder when someone says you're wrong... that's a sign of brainwashing... that's the sign of being indoctrinated into a cult.

Rational, healthy people can talk calmly, and look at evidence.

When you're in a cult, you are unable to calmly look at contrary arguments... your brain just shuts down... you just become angry, and start repeating, over and over, some silly thing you've been taught to say.
You do this because it's all you can do... your brain cannot process other ideas, or arguments... your brain just literally shuts down... so you repeat mantras, get angry, and scream.

This is the sign of a cult.

When your brain cannot process information calmly... that's the sign of being indoctrinated into a cult.
When you cannot have a calm discussion about contrary ideas... that's the sign of being indoctrinated into a cult.

..
 
Jul 27, 2019
106
12
18
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

You fear this awakening my friend!

I’ve seen a number of videos where jewish people themselves truthfully admit that they are not the real Jews.

I’ve even seen a video where a jewish rabbi explained to jewish people that we are the True Jews. Because he spoke from Deuteronomy of the prophecies of GOD’s People. Some of them got up and walked out. I’m sure because they knew he was telling the Biblical truth and didn’t want to accept it.

If you are a jewish person I understand your fear.
If you are a non believing gentile I understand your fear.
 
Mar 28, 2016
15,954
1,528
113
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

You fear this awakening my friend!

I’ve seen a number of videos where jewish people themselves truthfully admit that they are not the real Jews.

I’ve even seen a video where a jewish rabbi explained to jewish people that we are the True Jews. Because he spoke from Deuteronomy of the prophecies of GOD’s People. Some of them got up and walked out. I’m sure because they knew he was telling the Biblical truth and didn’t want to accept it.

If you are a jewish person I understand your fear.
If you are a non believing gentile I understand your fear.
They admit they are not real Jews . . And ?

Awakening or self revealing?

If you are a hater of the flesh try and obey the commandment as law..

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

Christians that walk by faith (the unseen eternal) are color blind and if not a working on it. .
 

PennEd

Senior Member
Apr 22, 2013
13,572
9,090
113
All praises to Ahayah Bahasham Yashaya Wa Raach!

There is no such thing as Black Hebrew Israelites.
Hebrews are people of color in scriptures. They are always compare to Egyptians who are Africans in scripture.

The real Jews:
In Deuteronomy there are blessings and curses that Ahayah set before his people the Children of Israel if they were obedient or disobedient. First came the blessings, then the curses, as we know they were disobedient and were cursed. All of those were put upon them for a sign of who they are and that’s the only way you know who they are.

So do a comparison and see who all of those curses fit!

In 70 AD the Children of Israel was told by Christ to flee Jerusalem and go over the mountains which led into Africa Egypt:

These scriptures explain:

Luke 21:20 And when yee shall see Hierusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Iudea, flee to the mountaines, and let them which are in the midst of it, depart out, and let not them that are in the countreys, enter thereinto.
Luke 21:22 For these be the dayes of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:23 But woe vnto them that are with childe, and to them that giue sucke in those dayes, for there shalbe great distresse in the land, and wrath vpon this people.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall bee led away captiue into all nations, and Hierusalem shall be troden downe of the Gentiles, vntill the times of the Gentiles bee fulfilled.

What white jewish people ran into Africa Egypt a Black Country to hide out there.
Doesn’t make sense.

The Children of Israel then settled in the West coasts of Africa where they were taken into slaveships to serve in captivity to be sold as slaves.

Ancient African maps of 14, 15, 16, 1700’s
shows and confirms a place called Negroeland in Africa that the Children of Israel settled on. In Africa might I remind you again.


Also I see no images of white jewish people on those slaveships anywhere.

This is not racist this is truth.

The holocaust is not an event that happened to the Children of Israel.
If so it would’ve been in the scriptures.

Show me in scripture the flight of the white jewish people to Africa as I just showed you us Hebrews.
The only thing that's brown here are your eyes, cause you are full of **it!

There is only ONE race. We are ALL shades of one tan color. We are all one blood. You need to stop looking at skin color and focus on Christ.

BTW, if Christ turned out to be very dark brown, I couldn't care one whit! I'd love Him the same as if He were lily white.