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You are still failing to see that obedience is not unto the letter of the Law. We don't obey God after the Law in the letter fact the Law in the letter is not of faith. The Letter which is the 10 commandments kills! The Spirit which is the Law of Christ gives life! This is the entire point! We don't obey the letter >>>> because this is what Christ did for us carefully compare John 15:10. All of the places in John where Jesus states to obey His commands is the LAW OF CHRIST NOT THE LAW OF MOSES. 1 John is written by the same John and the references where He states to keep the commandments is NOT the Law of Moses it's the Law that imparts life (Romans 8) which again is the Law of Christ! 1 John 3:23 clarifies yet again. John 13:34-35 when taken into context is what commandments they are referring to in John chapter 14 and 15. Again carefully read what Jesus stated in John 15:10 which is crystal clear. He kept HIS FATHER"S COMMANDS and we are to keep HIS! Which is His? THE LAW OF CHRIST GIVEN IN THE CHAPTER BEFORE IN JOHN 13:34-35. I explained this in my other lengthy comment hope you read it.
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I'm going to tell you something you may not yet understand...but let's consider this first.......
Who gave Moses the law? Were the laws that were given to Moses created by Moses? Did Moses come up with the laws on his own?
Were the laws that was given to the nation of Israel Moses' laws?
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The Letter which is the 10 commandments kills!
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So Jesus gave instructions that would, if kept, cause one to end up in the lake of fire?
Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Are not ALL of the above part of the 10 commandments?
Jesus tells us if the above are kept, eternal life would be the reward.
But you claim, "The Letter which is the 10 commandments kills!"
Please explain.....
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I'm going to tell you something you may not yet understand...but let's consider this first.......
Who gave Moses the law? Were the laws that were given to Moses created by Moses? Did Moses come up with the laws on his own?
Were the laws that was given to the nation of Israel Moses' laws?
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Who gave Moses the law? Were the laws that were given to Moses created by Moses? Did Moses come up with the laws on his own?
Were the laws that was given to the nation of Israel Moses' laws?
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So Jesus gave instructions that would, if kept, cause one to end up in the lake of fire?
Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Are not ALL of the above part of the 10 commandments?
Jesus tells us if the above are kept, eternal life would be the reward.
But you claim, "The Letter which is the 10 commandments kills!"
Please explain.....
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Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Are not ALL of the above part of the 10 commandments?
Jesus tells us if the above are kept, eternal life would be the reward.
But you claim, "The Letter which is the 10 commandments kills!"
Please explain.....
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Which is His? THE LAW OF CHRIST GIVEN IN THE CHAPTER BEFORE IN JOHN 13:34-35.
Blessings
Blessings
And yet which laws did Paul teach that are to be kept? Let's read some of them...
1 Cor.10
[7] Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
[8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Eph.5
[3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[4] Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[5] For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Now wait a minute.... Paul tells us those that commit the above sins will NOT enter into God's kingdom. And ALL of the above are SINS!
Gal.5
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
AGAIN.....Paul tells us that none of those that commit the above acts will enter into God's kingdom. And again.....ALL of the above are sins!
So it would seem that the right course of action would be to KEEP God's laws.....not break them!
Did Paul not read John 13:34-35?
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And yet which laws did Paul teach that are to be kept? Let's read some of them...
1 Cor.10
[7] Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
[8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Eph.5
[3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[4] Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[5] For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Now wait a minute.... Paul tells us those that commit the above sins will NOT enter into God's kingdom. And ALL of the above are SINS!
Gal.5
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
AGAIN.....Paul tells us that none of those that commit the above acts will enter into God's kingdom. And again.....ALL of the above are sins!
So it would seem that the right course of action would be to KEEP God's laws.....not break them!
Did Paul not read John 13:34-35?
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1 Cor.10
[7] Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
[8] Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
Eph.5
[3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[4] Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
[5] For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Now wait a minute.... Paul tells us those that commit the above sins will NOT enter into God's kingdom. And ALL of the above are SINS!
Gal.5
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
AGAIN.....Paul tells us that none of those that commit the above acts will enter into God's kingdom. And again.....ALL of the above are sins!
So it would seem that the right course of action would be to KEEP God's laws.....not break them!
Did Paul not read John 13:34-35?
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The letter kills because if we are not obeying everything we are in disobedience. Again earlier I stated that partial obedience is the same as disobedience.
And where are you reading this doctrine? Are you saying we should not even attempt to keep God's laws just because we no not keep them perfectly?
I know where you THINK it says this in God's word....but that is NOT what James is telling us.....
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
Is this what God instructs man to do? Either keep ALL of them perfectly or do not bother to keep any?
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And where are you reading this doctrine? Are you saying we should not even attempt to keep God's laws just because we no not keep them perfectly?
I know where you THINK it says this in God's word....but that is NOT what James is telling us.....
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
Is this what God instructs man to do? Either keep ALL of them perfectly or do not bother to keep any?
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I know where you THINK it says this in God's word....but that is NOT what James is telling us.....
"For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
Is this what God instructs man to do? Either keep ALL of them perfectly or do not bother to keep any?
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YOU ARE AGAIN not seeing how sin is done after the flesh and this is why are to die to our flesh because it cannot OBEY. Paul understood really clear when you read Romans 6-8 that you cannot obey the 10 commandments in the flesh.
When Paul read God's laws...did he do his best not to break them?
Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
When Paul read that it was wrong to covet....do you think he put every ounce of effort NOT to covet?
And what about those that he preached to? Do you think he also told them to do their best at not coveting?
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Abraham kept the commandment of God. In doing so.....God said the following of him.....
"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
Abraham did not want to sin. He knew what awaits those that sin.
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"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."
Abraham did not want to sin. He knew what awaits those that sin.
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Thanks But I will trust paul, when he said Abraham was not found by works, but by his faith, if he was found by works he has something to boast about. but not before God.
Abraham heard what god said, and trusted him, this is what saved him, not his works.
Your trying to earn a gift. and in doing so, will be rejected from receiving the gift unless you repent.
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When Paul read God's laws...did he do his best not to break them?
Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
When Paul read that it was wrong to covet....do you think he put every ounce of effort NOT to covet?
And what about those that he preached to? Do you think he also told them to do their best at not coveting?
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Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
When Paul read that it was wrong to covet....do you think he put every ounce of effort NOT to covet?
And what about those that he preached to? Do you think he also told them to do their best at not coveting?
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Yes the bible teaches us to live our lives based on the commanments.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
we all have to live by gods laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPRHlcNaaY&feature=player_detailpage
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
we all have to live by gods laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPRHlcNaaY&feature=player_detailpage
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There is no doing your best because your best indicates your strength that derives from the flesh!!!!! But if you are truthful with God and confess you are nothing without him then you are abiding in the truth that you cannot keep the 10 commandments in the flesh thus in need of a redeemer. I don't know about you but I need my Redeemer who Lives every single day bro.
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Yes the bible teaches us to live our lives based on the commanments.
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
we all have to live by gods laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPRHlcNaaY&feature=player_detailpage
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
we all have to live by gods laws.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPRHlcNaaY&feature=player_detailpage
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In love I say GIVE GOD THE GLORY which is to say tell God the truth and don't lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE all have fallen short of God's glory (see how God's glory is mentioned here which is abiding in the truth) Unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom of God. Marvel not that I say unto you must be born again.
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Exactly this is HOW SIN IS EXPOSED! AGAIN Partial obedience is not obedience look what happen to Saul in 1 Samuel 15 he was rejected!
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Is this what God instructs man to do? Either keep ALL of them perfectly or do not bother to keep any?
God NEVER tells man not to try to keep His laws! God NEVER tells man if you do not keep all of My laws perfectly you will not enter into My kingdom! God NEVER tells man that keeping His laws will bring death!
Did you know there is given to us a warning about ALL of Paul's writings?
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Guess what? That's actually one of the Laws we actually stumble and thus guilty of breaking all because who does not covet at times without even wanting to? EVERYBODY at some point is guilty of this!
When Paul read that it was wrong to covet....do you think he put every ounce of effort NOT to covet?
And what about those that he preached to? Do you think he also told them to do their best at not coveting?
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Again......
Is this what God instructs man to do? Either keep ALL of them perfectly or do not bother to keep any?
God NEVER tells man not to try to keep His laws! God NEVER tells man if you do not keep all of My laws perfectly you will not enter into My kingdom! God NEVER tells man that keeping His laws will bring death!
Did you know there is given to us a warning about ALL of Paul's writings?
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Is this what God instructs man to do? Either keep ALL of them perfectly or do not bother to keep any?
God NEVER tells man not to try to keep His laws! God NEVER tells man if you do not keep all of My laws perfectly you will not enter into My kingdom! God NEVER tells man that keeping His laws will bring death!
Did you know there is given to us a warning about ALL of Paul's writings?
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Galatians 3:10-14
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth NOT in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that NO man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by FAITH.
12 And THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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In love I say GIVE GOD THE GLORY which is to say tell God the truth and don't lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE all have fallen short of God's glory (see how God's glory is mentioned here which is abiding in the truth) Unless you are born again you cannot see the kingdom of God. Marvel not that I say unto you must be born again.
You throw out all of these scriptures without knowing the TRUE meaning. This is another topic...but I ask to prove a point.....
Can you tell me something a TRUE born again being will be able to do that NONE of those that claim to be born again now can do?
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