Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[hermanodaniel]

To those reading this post consider this......


It was the breaking of just one of God's laws that caused man to need to be justified, or cleared of sins, to need a redeemer, to need an advocate, to need a SAVIOR!

And what did man need to be saved from? Man needed to be saved from dying the second death, which is burning in the lake of fire. Because had Jesus not shed His blood for the sins of man, man would have had to die for his own sins. And again, it is not the natural death God's word is speaking about...it is the second death, the burning in the lake of fire death.

So....once the first man sinned the ONLY way for him to be able to have a right to the tree of life was through the shedding of Jesus blood.

So the act that caused all of this was one man transgressing one law; Sin!


After man began to populate the earth, God realized that man was not following His guidelines. Man was getting increasingly evil. Man continued to break God's laws. So much so that it grieved God that He even made man. What we have next is God finding one family that was doing His will. God found one family that was keeping His laws. To this family God gave the commandment to build an ark and to preach His words until the ark was completed. So this man preached and built the ark. For over 100 years God's word was preached to mankind. Mankind did not listen. God sealed the man and the animals into the ark. And God destroyed every air breaking being upon the earth.

And what was the act that caused God to kill every air breathing being upon the face of the earth? The transgressing of His laws; Sin!



After man started to repopulate the earth again, the same thing started happen. Man continued to break God's laws and commandments. This time it was again to the point that God was willing to kill ALL of mankind and start over with one of His servants. But the servant of the Lord asked that God take his life and spare mankind. At this point God did not want to continue destroying His creation so He gave man a set of laws that would allow their lives to be spared. The set of laws that were given were done so because mankind continued to break God's laws and commandments. This law was ADDED to God's already existing laws. This law that was added because of transgressions would allow the blood of bulls and goats to take the place of mans blood. This law that was added was only to be around for a short time. This law that substituted animals blood for mans blood was to give man hope. It was to be their schoolmaster until another that would come shed His blood for ALL of mankind.

And again, the act that caused God to add a set of laws to His already existing laws was transgression; Sin!


Now that God set up His added law.....the only thing man had to do was to have faith in the one that would come. When He arrived there would be no need to kill bulls and goats for the remission of sins. When He arrived the set of laws that was added would cease. When He arrived the mankind would no longer need a schoolmaster, for that set of laws (the schoolmaster) would end at the cross.


And so mankind waited for the one that would put an end to the law that was added because of transgression; or Sin!


And now that the one has arrived and gave us His grace, ending the need for the laws of the killing of bulls and goats, do we continue to transgress God's OTHER laws? The OTHER laws being the ones that mankind continued to break thus needing the laws of animal sacrifice.


This brings us back to the beginning; Do we continue to break laws that caused man to need to be justified, or cleared of sins, to need a redeemer, to need an advocate, to need a SAVIOR!


Do we?


It was the breaking of God's laws that caused man to be denied the right to the tree of life...thus needing a savior.

Let's now read just 2 scriptures. The first tells man what actions, if committed, will NOT allow him to enter into God's kingdom;


Rev.22
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Those that commit the above acts are sinners.


Now let's read what God's word tell us will ALLOW man into God's kingdom;

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


Readers....the choice is yours. God has put before us life and death. I pray most choose life!


Keep God's commandments!



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How about rightly divide the Word of God?

 

[Eccl12and13]

How about rightly divide the Word of God?

If there was anything that was not true please let me know with scripture. For as God's word tells us.....


"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."


Every word of God would be everything between Gen.1 and Rev.22. And we are to use those words to do the following.....


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"



All of God's words are to be used for reproof, for correction and for doctrine. If there is anything I said in my previous post, which is below, that was not biblical, I ask that you provide scriptures for my correction.

It was the breaking of just one of God's laws that caused man to need to be justified, or cleared of sins, to need a redeemer, to need an advocate, to need a SAVIOR!

And what did man need to be saved from? Man needed to be saved from dying the second death, which is burning in the lake of fire. Because had Jesus not shed His blood for the sins of man, man would have had to die for his own sins. And again, it is not the natural death God's word is speaking about...it is the second death, the burning in the lake of fire death.

So....once the first man sinned the ONLY way for him to be able to have a right to the tree of life was through the shedding of Jesus blood.

So the act that caused all of this was one man transgressing one law; Sin!


After man began to populate the earth, God realized that man was not following His guidelines. Man was getting increasingly evil. Man continued to break God's laws. So much so that it grieved God that He even made man. What we have next is God finding one family that was doing His will. God found one family that was keeping His laws. To this family God gave the commandment to build an ark and to preach His words until the ark was completed. So this man preached and built the ark. For over 100 years God's word was preached to mankind. Mankind did not listen. God sealed the man and the animals into the ark. And God destroyed every air breaking being upon the earth.

And what was the act that caused God to kill every air breathing being upon the face of the earth? The transgressing of His laws; Sin!



After man started to repopulate the earth again, the same thing started happen. Man continued to break God's laws and commandments. This time it was again to the point that God was willing to kill ALL of mankind and start over with one of His servants. But the servant of the Lord asked that God take his life and spare mankind. At this point God did not want to continue destroying His creation so He gave man a set of laws that would allow their lives to be spared. The set of laws that were given were done so because mankind continued to break God's laws and commandments. This law was ADDED to God's already existing laws. This law that was added because of transgressions would allow the blood of bulls and goats to take the place of mans blood. This law that was added was only to be around for a short time. This law that substituted animals blood for mans blood was to give man hope. It was to be their schoolmaster until another that would come shed His blood for ALL of mankind.

And again, the act that caused God to add a set of laws to His already existing laws was transgression; Sin!


Now that God set up His added law.....the only thing man had to do was to have faith in the one that would come. When He arrived there would be no need to kill bulls and goats for the remission of sins. When He arrived the set of laws that was added would cease. When He arrived the mankind would no longer need a schoolmaster, for that set of laws (the schoolmaster) would end at the cross.


And so mankind waited for the one that would put an end to the law that was added because of transgression; or Sin!


And now that the one has arrived and gave us His grace, ending the need for the laws of the killing of bulls and goats, do we continue to transgress God's OTHER laws? The OTHER laws being the ones that mankind continued to break thus needing the laws of animal sacrifice.


This brings us back to the beginning; Do we continue to break laws that caused man to need to be justified, or cleared of sins, to need a redeemer, to need an advocate, to need a SAVIOR!


Do we?


It was the breaking of God's laws that caused man to be denied the right to the tree of life...thus needing a savior.

Let's now read just 2 scriptures. The first tells man what actions, if committed, will NOT allow him to enter into God's kingdom;


Rev.22
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Those that commit the above acts are sinners.


Now let's read what God's word tell us will ALLOW man into God's kingdom;

Rev.22
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

If there is any part above that is incorrect, please provide scriptures so that I can make the needed corrections!




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[Eccl12and13]

Yep LOVE AS CHRIST LOVED. A person not born again cannot love as Christ loves only those born of God are able since they have died to the inability to love on their own.

The question was,

"Can you tell me something a TRUE born again being will be able to do that NONE of those that claim to be born again now can do?"


Above you said those that are born again CAN love as Christ loved. But that did not answer the question.


Jesus tells us about an event that will happen to all that are found worthy to enter into God's kingdom. He tells us what the TRUE meaning of being born again is. In His statement He tells us something that ONLY one that has been truly born again will be able to do.

Those that claim to be born again now CANNOT do what Jesus said one that had been born again will be able to do.


Do you know what it is that a true born again being will be able to do? Do you know what it is that those that claim to be born again now CANNOT do?


Again....this is another topic...!

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[Eccl12and13]

A few post back I asked the question, "What does one need to have faith in for salvation?".


Some answered, "We need to have faith in Jesus Christ."


But that really didn't answer the question.


Do we need faith that He exists?
Do we need faith that He is God?
Do we need faith that He is the Son of God?
Do we need faith that He died for our sins?


What do we need to have faith in for us to enter into God's kingdom? And....is faith the ONLY thing needed for salvation?


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[cfultz3]

A few post back I asked the question, "What does one need to have faith in for salvation?".


Some answered, "We need to have faith in Jesus Christ."


But that really didn't answer the question.


Do we need faith that He exists?
Do we need faith that He is God?
Do we need faith that He is the Son of God?
Do we need faith that He died for our sins?


What do we need to have faith in for us to enter into God's kingdom? And....is faith the ONLY thing needed for salvation?


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I would like to answer this, perhaps not what you are looking for but, nonetheless, I at least tried

That He is who He says He is and that He will do as He said He would do. I surely have confidence that He will finish what He set out to accomplish.

 

[Eccl12and13]

I would like to answer this, perhaps not what you are looking for but, nonetheless, I at least tried

That He is who He says He is and that He will do as He said He would do. I surely have confidence that He will finish what He set out to accomplish.

Thanks for the reply. And yes the answer is correct...but I also understand that you believe that keeping God's commandments are needed for salvation.

I was hoping those that believed otherwise would answer.


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[cfultz3]

Thanks for the reply. And yes the answer is correct...but I also understand that you believe that keeping God's commandments are needed for salvation. -- I do not know if you are saying the last part in the negative or not. But if not, I would like to clarify a couple of things please.

But, no, that is not what I beleive. Truth is, obedience to God is needed for maintaining salvation once Jesus is accepted as Savior. Otherwise, how can He be Lord of His servant? Difference is, one is following God's will for guidance as to what He desiers of His servant and the other is trying to obtain righteousness through one's self.

If one has the Spirit of God then one has the sealing of sonhood (2 Corinthians 1:22), and thus, salvation is already there. So, we do not work to obtain salvation, but as those who were in the wilderness and fell dead and did not enter into God's rest because of not obeying, then, in obedience to God, we maintain it.

I was hoping those that believed otherwise would answer.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Truth is, obedience to God is needed for maintaining salvation once Jesus is accepted as Savior.

Maybe I didn't understand. That's the problem with the written word I guess.

I took your above statement as what it says; You must obey God for salvation once you believe in Jesus Christ.

Is not keeping God's commandments and laws obeying God?

Was that a wrong assumption?


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[Eccl12and13]

Truth is, obedience to God is needed for maintaining salvation once Jesus is accepted as Savior..... but as those who were in the wilderness and fell dead and did not enter into God's rest because of not obeying, then, in obedience to God, we maintain it. [/COLOR]

And what happens if we do NOT stay obedient to God? When you say 'maintain' that means we are doing something so that something else remains in a certain state. And the certain thing that you are speaking of is salvation, is it not?

Please explain.



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[cfultz3]

Is not keeping God's commandments and laws obeying God?

Was that a wrong assumption?


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Yes keeping God's commandments and laws is obedience to God which is a requirement. If disobedience to His Voice will cause one not to enter into His rest, then obedience is the only choice left in order to enter into His rest.

 

[cfultz3]

And what happens if we do NOT stay obedient to God? When you say 'maintain' that means we are doing something so that something else remains in a certain state. And the certain thing that you are speaking of is salvation, is it not?

Please explain.



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In Hebrews 3 and 4, those who fell dead and did not enter into His rest did so because of disobedience. Now, they were delivered from their bondage (received salvation) but became hardened towards God's will. And because they choose to become stubborn to God, then they failed to maintain their deliverance. One receives salvation when one comes to God in a contrite heart and obedience to Him, as oppose to say flesh, is manatory, seeing that He is Master (Lord). So, having received the Spirit, a person must accept the correction (guidance) of the Spirit. As it is said, the one who is without the guidance (the leading of one in God's will) of the Spirit is fatherless. Yes, we must obey but obedience comes after salvation. Obediene is not to obtain but maintain salvation already received.

 

[cfultz3]

I just think you and I have different ways of expressing the same thing. I am sorry I am hard to understand, but I am always willing to explain myself. God bless you in your work.

 

[cfultz3]

Thanks for the reply. And yes the answer is correct...but I also understand that you believe that keeping God's commandments are needed for salvation.

I was hoping those that believed otherwise would answer.


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Perhaps my misundestanding comes from the word 'also'. What if the word 'also' was moved to 'that you also believe' would that be what you mean. The way I am understanding it is that you are saying 'but on the contrary'.

 

[loveme1]

"Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

Hebrews 8

10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Answer this from within for it is their he said he will put them.

 

[Sonofjesuschrist]

Hebrews 8



Answer this from within for it is their he said he will put them.

Hello Sister,
I have realized that only when we truly love the Lord, his yoke is not heavy Because yes he did say he would put his commandments in our hearts, But there also much scripture that does speak about fisical duties for all true christians,

Such as we all have a responsibility with the poor, Also preaching the good news, you Also might want to read all other scripture where it says many false prophets will come with doctrine of devils.
we all must keep the ten commandments, so that we stay tuned in with gods holy spirit, keep our mind tuned into godly things, we must stay away from the world.
we must walk as he walked.
if you love the world, you hate him ,
I realized that the only people who have a problem with the lord, are people who love there live or sins,
Just saying.
Peace and love.

 

[hermanodaniel]

If there was anything that was not true please let me know with scripture. For as God's word tells us.....


"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live."

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."


Every word of God would be everything between Gen.1 and Rev.22. And we are to use those words to do the following.....


"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"



All of God's words are to be used for reproof, for correction and for doctrine. If there is anything I said in my previous post, which is below, that was not biblical, I ask that you provide scriptures for my correction.






If there is any part above that is incorrect, please provide scriptures so that I can make the needed corrections!




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When you rightly divide the Word you see that obedience to the commandments is not the 10 commandments written on stone since the life that applied to them is to be counted dead. (Romans 7:6) Instead of whipping a dead horse you're whipping a dead body with that over and over. I've echoed this several times. The fact of the matter is that you can't reinterpret what Paul is saying in His epistles and you can't redefine Biblical terms to mean something else. When Paul states he was dead to the Law and alive in Christ He was talking about the 10 commandments (which is the letter). This is no way means that Paul was against the Law of God or that he was saying we should be disobedient or that the Law is obsolete but that he discovered by revelation from God that the Law of Christ which is the Law of the Spirit is what gives life because it doesn't provokes us to sin. Romans 8:2 The 10 commandments is the strength of sin in the flesh (1 Corinthians 15:56) but once we are counted dead in Christ after being regenerated we no longer serve after the letter (the 10 commandments) but after the spirit which means death to the body of sins. Every time we pour out our hearts in spirit and in truth before God our flesh is counted dead therefore the Law that exposes sin has met its goal leading us to Christ. The Law is not obeyed in the flesh it doesn't restrain us from sin it ONLY POINTS OUT OUR SINS. We are to die daily says Paul (1 Corinthians 15:31 and 2 Corinthians 5) and rightly so that we may manifest the mystery of the Gospel which is: Christ in US the hope of Glory!

 

[hermanodaniel]

Hello Sister,
I have realized that only when we truly love the Lord, his yoke is not heavy Because yes he did say he would put his commandments in our hearts, But there also much scripture that does speak about fisical duties for all true christians,

Such as we all have a responsibility with the poor, Also preaching the good news, you Also might want to read all other scripture where it says many false prophets will come with doctrine of devils.
we all must keep the ten commandments, so that we stay tuned in with gods holy spirit, keep our mind tuned into godly things, we must stay away from the world.
we must walk as he walked.
if you love the world, you hate him ,
I realized that the only people who have a problem with the lord, are people who love there live or sins,
Just saying.
Peace and love.

Hey bro this is where the confusion lies.... you stated "we all must keep the ten commandments"
but this is not the Gospel if you are referring to keeping them after the letter which is the literal understanding. You have stated before that the Law is spiritual and rightly so Romans 7:14 and thus meaning there's a deeper meaning behind them. The Law of Christ which is the Law of Spirit and Life reveals that mystery unveiling the intents behind the 10 commandments but it is confuses people if you state we are to keep them because it can be misinterpreted to mean we are to keep them after the letter when we can't and never will but Jesus did and his yoke is not like the yoke mentioned in Acts 15:10 which is attributed to being yoke unto the Law (the 10 commandments in the form of the letter) in a body of sin. Jesus' yoke mentioned in Matthew 11 is light and easy because it is possible to love as He loved since we are to die to self daily.

 

[Sonofjesuschrist]

Hey bro this is where the confusion lies.... you stated "we all must keep the ten commandments"
but this is not the Gospel if you are referring to keeping them after the letter which is the literal understanding. You have stated before that the Law is spiritual and rightly so Romans 7:14 and thus meaning there's a deeper meaning behind them. The Law of Christ which is the Law of Spirit and Life reveals that mystery unveiling the intents behind the 10 commandments but it is confuses people if you state we are to keep them because it can be misinterpreted to mean we are to keep them after the letter when we can't and never will but Jesus did and his yoke is not like the yoke mentioned in Acts 15:10 which is attributed to being yoke unto the Law (the 10 commandments in the form of the letter) in a body of sin. Jesus' yoke mentioned in Matthew 11 is light and easy because it is possible to love as He loved since we are to die to self daily.

Bro, its not a contradiction if you read it in context, Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments his reffering to the laws of god bro, not the laws of moses, but he also said he would right them on our hearts now his referring to the spiritual ones, so actually there is a lot more than ten commandments brother. there is also things we should be doing,
Just saying.

 

[hermanodaniel]

Bro, its not a contradiction if you read it in context, Jesus said if you love me keep my commandments his reffering to the laws of god bro, not the laws of moses, but he also said he would right them on our hearts now his referring to the spiritual ones, so actually there is a lot more than ten commandments brother. there is also things we should be doing,
Just saying.

Yes I understand BUT the confusion lies that when someone like yourself mentions keeping the commandments that it is referring to the 10 commandments (Law of Moses) and clearly according to the response you just gave is not what you mean. This entire thread is about keeping the Law of Moses (I say it this way to clarify it) in order to inherit eternal life and the truth is that we don't keep it after the letter. I am not saying is a contradiction I am pointing out that in context with John 13:34-35 Jesus is referring to HIS COMMANDS and not the Law of Moses written on stone.

 

[Sonofjesuschrist]

Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?
I am sorry bro, This thread is about commandments and laws of god bro.
and Yes you do have to keep his laws, Carnal.