Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God Needed for Eternal Life?

[Eccl12and13]

Because your 'simple' questions contradict themselves.

Also you say - 'there are times when a person can break God's law's and still be blameless.'
Your claim is utter nonsense.

Still waiting on a reply.

Did not you know that a person, in some cases, could break God's law and still be blameless?

Did not Jesus tell us it is ok to do GOOD on His sabbath? Getting a sheep out of a ditch is work. Work is not permitted on the Sabbath. But work that is GOOD is ok. The person is blameless for doing such.


Let's now read of the example God gave us....


Matt.12
[3] But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
[4] How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

Was David to let him and his men starve? This was something that was out of their control....being chased by Saul throughout the kingdom. David and his men did not have time to prepare a sabbath mean the day before having to flee Saul. Let's read another...

[5] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Did you not know there are times when one can break God's laws and yet be blameless?

Did you miss reading this?



And what about my other example? Let's read it again....


Which do you think God will have more compassion for.....

A thief that steals to feed his family.....

OR.....

A thief that steals just because he can get away with it?

OR........

Will God see both sins as the same?


Common sense!


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[Eccl12and13]

Readers.... God tells us over and over and over again what is in store for those that obey His word. He has given us examples in the OT. He had given us examples in the NT. He has shown us not only is there physical salvation for keeping His commandments in the OT and NT...but God has also shown us we will receive spiritual salvation for keeping His commandments.


Readers....from the very start we find what happens to those that obey verses those that disobey. But do we ever find the following?


Does God's word EVER say that the ONLY thing needed for salvation is FAITH? Just once? No!

Does God's word EVER say that the ONLY thing needed for salvation is GRACE? Just once? No!


And why are such definitive statements NOT found in ALL of God's word? Because it is not true.


But what is one thing that we KNOW for a fact? What are some things we can read and know for a fact if done to the best of one's ability salvation will be ours? Let's not guess about it....let's read it for ourselves...


Acts.5
[31] Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
[32] And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

God gives His Holy Spirit to those that OBEY HIM!

2 Thes. 1
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Those that do not OBEY HIM will be punished with everlasting destruction.

1 Peter 4
[17] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

The end shall come to those that do NOT OBEY God!

Heb.5
[9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


Readers.....did you catch that last verse? Let's read it again......

"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"


God's word tells us exactly what we need to DO for eternal salvation....we must OBEY GOD!


Do we need grace? Of course. But that has already been given to us. It was given to all of mankind the moment Christ shed His blood.

Do we need faith? Of course. But how do we get faith? Let's read....


Rom. 10
[13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

And this is true. But how or why should you call on the name of the Lord if you know nothing about who this man was. What must be done BEFORE you are able to call upon His name? Let's read...

[14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed?

And what must you do in order to believe in Jesus?

[14]........and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?

And how do you hear of Jesus?

[14]........and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And can this be just any preacher?

[15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

And what MUST happen when ALL the pieces come together?

[16] But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

We must OBEY! And what is it we must obey for faith?

[17] So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


We must OBEY God's word.


And what happens when we have faith AND obey God's word?



"And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"


Eternal life!


Readers....if you want to believe that the ONLY thing you need to do is have faith and salvation is yours....keep dreaming.

God's word tells us this for a FACT.......

James 2
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


Readers....not matter how you look at it SOMETHING else needs to be done other than just sitting around having faith. An action MUST take place.

And we have already been given the required action......

OBEY THE WORD OF GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS!!




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[Katy-follower]

Readers....if you want to believe that the ONLY thing you need to do is have faith and salvation is yours....keep dreaming.

God's word tells us this for a FACT.......

James 2
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
[26] For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Jesus did all the work for us on the cross. Do you deny this? How can you compete with Him? It's His work, not ours.

Galatians 2:16: "knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified"

Ephesians 2:8-10: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them"

James complements Paul's teachings on faith.

James is clearly saying that a person who is saved will bear fruits of the Holy Spirit. If the fruits are not there then they're not really saved. Anyone can say they're saved, but do they have works of the Holy Spirit? Works are an evidence. Works come after salvation, not before. We are saved by grace through faith, not works.

And what happens when we have faith AND obey God's word? "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"

Eternal life!

Obedience comes after salvation.

A person who is not yet saved cannot obey God. How can a person obey someone they do not yet know? God draws us and saves us, we don't obey Him in order to be saved because before salvation we are in a sinful state of rebellion. It's when we're saved that we're obedient out of love. How can you be obedient to a wife you haven't yet met? You're faithful to your wife because you love her.

Readers....not matter how you look at it SOMETHING else needs to be done other than just sitting around having faith. An action MUST take place.

And we have already been given the required action......

OBEY THE WORD OF GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS!!

A person who is saved wants to live a life pleasing to God. We are new creatures in Christ, changed, we leave our old lives behind. He says "if you love me, you will keep my commandments" - "if you love me" - evidence of loving Him is that you want to be obedient. A person who has not already been saved does not love Him and they've no conviction of how sinful they are. Unfortunately on judgment day there will be many saying 'Lord, Lord' and He will say "I never knew you" - these people are the ones trying to obey God without ever being saved. They thought their works could get them into heaven.

You refuse to accept that Christ did all the work for us. You deny God's gift through faith, rather you are trying to earn it as you don't believe it is a free gift to us, paid for by Jesus.

You're preaching a false doctrine which could be leading others astray that read this thread.

Matthew 12:36-37: "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

 

[Eccl12and13]

Readers.....let's READ the word of God to find if keeping God's Commandments and laws are needed for eternal life.

Matt.22
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So what do we have above? TWO COMMANDMENTS! First we must love God with ALL that we have. And then we must love our neighbour.

These are not options. These are LAWS that MUST be kept. And how does God's word tells us we are to show our love towards God? Let's read it....

1 John 5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


So......forgetting about any of the other laws that God gave us....if a Christian does NOT keep the above TWO Commandments.....will they be allowed into God's kingdom?


Now....are the (2) laws above the ONLY laws a Christian must keep? Let's read of another law. As a matter of fact....this next law, some claim, is the ONLY law one needs for salvation.


Rom. 3
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.


So AGAIN we have yet ANOTHER law....the commandment to have FAITH! This too is NOT an option! We MUST have faith. And as we just read....having faith is a LAW!



So readers....again I ask....after reading God's word for yourselves.....


Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God needed for Eternal Life?



Love God? A COMMANDMENT!
Love thy neighbour? A COMMANDMENT!
Have Faith? A COMMANDMENT!


Can a person that claims to be saved enter into God's kingdom and NOT keep the above Commandments?




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[Eccl12and13]

Obedience comes after salvation.

So it's your understanding that God is going to FIRST reward us by allowing us to enter into His kingdom and THEN we will obey?

Do employers PAY their workers BEFORE they complete their jobs....or do they allow them to work FIRST and reward afterwards?


I'm not sure what salvation you claim...but the ONLY salvation spoken of that was given by the shedding of Christ blood was salvation from having to die the second death.

But please understand.....just because Christ shed His blood for ALL of mankind does NOT mean that ALL of mankind will receive salvation.


Readers...... let me ask you....what will it be that will allow some salvation while others will not receive?


Let's read what GOD said is needed to receive salvation;

Heb.5
[9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


How plain can God make it? Eternal salvation comes to those that OBEY HIM!


And what are we to obey? Let's read that too.....

Matt.22
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.

So we have one law we have to keep.

Matt.22
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And we have yet another law we have to keep.

These are not options. These are LAWS that MUST be kept. And how does God's word tells us we are to show our love towards God? Let's read it....

1 John 5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

So we find that we have to keep at least TWO laws for salvation. Is there another? Let's read....


Rom. 3
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

So AGAIN we have yet ANOTHER law....the commandment to have FAITH! This too is NOT an option! We MUST have faith. And as we just read....having faith is a LAW!

Now does that mean we only have to keep the above commandments? Can we kill, lie, steal, covet and continue to knowingly break any of God's other commandments and still claim to love Him? And how about our neighbors? Can we commit sins against them and still claim to love them as commanded?

How can ANYBODY knowingly break God's laws and claim to love Him and their neighbor?

How can ANYBODY knowingly break God's laws and still expect to enter into His kingdom?



So how is it that we are to receive salvation without FIRST obeying God and keeping His commandments?



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[Eccl12and13]

Also you say - 'there are times when a person can break God's law's and still be blameless.'
Your claim is utter nonsense.

Still waiting on a reply!

Did not you know that a person, in some cases, could break God's law and still be blameless?

Did not Jesus tell us it is ok to do GOOD on His sabbath? Getting a sheep out of a ditch is work. Work is not permitted on the Sabbath. But work that is GOOD is ok. The person is blameless for doing such.


Let's now read of the example God gave us....


Matt.12
[3] But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
[4] How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

Was David to let him and his men starve? This was something that was out of their control....being chased by Saul throughout the kingdom. David and his men did not have time to prepare a sabbath mean the day before having to flee Saul. Let's read another...

[5] Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

Did you not know there are times when one can break God's laws and yet be blameless?

Did you miss reading this?

Do you believe God's words are nonsense?


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[Eccl12and13]

"Obedience comes after salvation."

And I'm still waiting to hear your views on your above statement after the reply below;

So it's your understanding that God is going to FIRST reward us by allowing us to enter into His kingdom and THEN we will obey?

Do employers PAY their workers BEFORE they complete their jobs....or do they allow them to work FIRST and reward afterwards?


I'm not sure what salvation you claim...but the ONLY salvation spoken of that was given by the shedding of Christ blood was salvation from having to die the second death.

But please understand.....just because Christ shed His blood for ALL of mankind does NOT mean that ALL of mankind will receive salvation.


Readers...... let me ask you....what will it be that will allow some salvation while others will not receive?


Let's read what GOD said is needed to receive salvation;

Heb.5
[9] And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


How plain can God make it? Eternal salvation comes to those that OBEY HIM!


And what are we to obey? Let's read that too.....

Matt.22
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.

So we have one law we have to keep.

Matt.22
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

And we have yet another law we have to keep.

These are not options. These are LAWS that MUST be kept. And how does God's word tells us we are to show our love towards God? Let's read it....

1 John 5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

So we find that we have to keep at least TWO laws for salvation. Is there another? Let's read....


Rom. 3
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.


So AGAIN we have yet ANOTHER law....the commandment to have FAITH! This too is NOT an option! We MUST have faith. And as we just read....having faith is a LAW!

Now does that mean we only have to keep the above commandments? Can we kill, lie, steal, covet and continue to knowingly break any of God's other commandments and still claim to love Him? And how about our neighbors? Can we commit sins against them and still claim to love them as commanded?

How can ANYBODY knowingly break God's laws and claim to love Him and their neighbor?

How can ANYBODY knowingly break God's laws and still expect to enter into His kingdom?



So how is it that we are to receive salvation without FIRST obeying God and keeping His commandments?



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[Katy-follower]

I've "shaken the dust from my feet"
(Matthew 10:14)
(Luke 9:3-5)

 

[Eccl12and13]

I've "shaken the dust from my feet"
(Matthew 10:14)
(Luke 9:3-5)

What? You mean you could not find scripture to support your claim?



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[Eccl12and13]

Matt.22
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom.3
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.



Do we have to keep these laws for eternal life?




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[Eccl12and13]

Well? Do we have to keep the following laws to receive eternal life? Must we keep the following to be saved from dying the second death?


Matt.22
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom.3
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.


Are they not laws of God?


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[Katy-follower]

What? You mean you could not find scripture to support your claim?

This is like a game to you. You've learnt nothing from 41 pages? It is because you are not interested in what anyone else says, only your own opinion and I refuse to go round and round in circles with you.

God told me to share the truth. I did. You don't believe in the good news, that we are saved by grace by faith, so you reject truth and you reject the only way to be saved. There is no other way. It's not for me to go round and round in circles with you when you reject it.

By the way, "those who obey" are those that love Him, that already know Him. As I've said zillions of times, you can't obey someone you don't love, someone you don't already know. Impossible. Those that are saved are those that obey, those that obey out of love.

 

[Eccl12and13]

To all that say they are saved here are a few questions.....


Is there something that you did BEFORE you were saved that you do not do now after hearing and having faith in God's words?


Can you go back to whatever it was that you USED to do and still enter into God's kingdom?



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[Enow]

Readers.....let's READ the word of God to find if keeping God's Commandments and laws are needed for eternal life.

Matt.22
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

So what do we have above? TWO COMMANDMENTS! First we must love God with ALL that we have. And then we must love our neighbour.

The verses given was to answer this question: not about how to obtain eternal life.

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

These are not options. These are LAWS that MUST be kept. And how does God's word tells us we are to show our love towards God? Let's read it....

1 John 5
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


So......forgetting about any of the other laws that God gave us....if a Christian does NOT keep the above TWO Commandments.....will they be allowed into God's kingdom?

Reads to me that salvation was not the end goal here but knowing how we know we love the children of God.

You really think John is so negligent to NOT list what those commandments are and what they are for in keeping?

1 John 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Do they not mirror the two commandments you had mentioned earlier, but yet not quite? These two commandments here was for the purpose of being found abiding in Him, thus signifying the first commandment as a means to be reconciled for us to continue to be abiding in Him by keeping the second commandment.

Now....are the (2) laws above the ONLY laws a Christian must keep? Let's read of another law. As a matter of fact....this next law, some claim, is the ONLY law one needs for salvation.


Rom. 3
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.


So AGAIN we have yet ANOTHER law....the commandment to have FAITH! This too is NOT an option! We MUST have faith. And as we just read....having faith is a LAW!

Do read that red portion of that scriptural reference.

It works against your thesis.

Believers are saved, but are required to follow Him as His disciple: not for salvation, but for living that reconciled relationship with God so that they will be found abiding in Him when the Bridegroom comes to take His disciples that are chosen from among the believers to the Supper above.

So readers....again I ask....after reading God's word for yourselves.....


Is keeping the Commandments and Laws of God needed for Eternal Life?

What do you think now in light of the corrections to you?

Love God? A COMMANDMENT!

Love thy neighbour? A COMMANDMENT!
Have Faith? A COMMANDMENT!


Can a person that claims to be saved enter into God's kingdom and NOT keep the above Commandments.

You explain this verse below then on how those that can break His commandments and teach others so are still a part of the kingdom pf heaven, but are considered the least.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

That means believers that are saved but not found abiding in Him will lose their rewards, become vessels unto dishonour in His House, & thus least in the kingdom of Heaven.

What you need to do is ask Jesus why He said what He has said instead of pushing a yoke that in all respect is you testifying you are not saved yet because you still have to keep those commandments to be saved still, and thus I ask you this question...

How can you be considered a true witness of Jesus Christ in being your Saviour if you are not saved yet?

It is not salvation that you are ripping up about: it is the loss of the believers' full reward for not continuing in His words to be His disciples which is also done by His grace and by His help by faith in the Son of God in us in living this christian life.

 

[Eccl12and13]

The verses given was to answer this question: not about how to obtain eternal life.

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

Let's back up a bit....


Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

So here we have a very plain yet direct question. Now let's read the answer.....

[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Question asked.....question answered!

If we claim to love God we will do our best NOT to break any of His laws.

If we claim to love our neighbors we will do our best not to sin against him by breaking God's laws.


Now let's read the condensed version....AGAIN;

Matt.22
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Again I ask yet another simple question.....

Is keeping the above (2) laws needed to be allowed entrance into God's kingdom?

Are we not commanded to also have faith? Is that an option or is it something a Christian MUST have? Is having faith a law? Let's read.....


Is there another way to be spared dying the second death?

Rom. 3
[27] Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

What most do not want to admit to is that the law of works that Paul speaks of was that of the Levitical Priesthood and their job of animal sacrifice. What works/deeds needs to be taken to not lie, steal and kill?

Now what works are needed to do as God commanded when one committed a sin? Blood must be shed...animals must be killed.....works/deeds must be done.

Consider this....I have (3) posts concerning the (2) laws that Paul speaks of. The last (2) post have not been disputed. Maybe you would like to check them out. Here they are;


What was the LAW that was added?

This is the Law that God Added to His Other Laws. Part 1

This is the Law that God Added to His Other Laws. Part 2


Paul speaks of TWO laws throughout his writings; the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and their job/work/deeds of animal sacrifice. These are those that were nailed to Christ cross. And then he speaks of the REST of God's laws....those that Christ said are needed for eternal life.



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[know1]

To all that say they are saved here are a few questions.....
Is there something that you did BEFORE you were saved that you do not do now after hearing and having faith in God's words?
Can you go back to whatever it was that you USED to do and still enter into God's kingdom?
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I have a question for you.
If I have not attended a church in about 20 years and I were to die right now, what would happen to me?

 

[Eccl12and13]

I have a question for you.
If I have not attended a church in about 20 years and I were to die right now, what would happen to me?

As you already know I have no idea. Only God would know what you have done, said and thought during those 20 years.

But the one thing I do know is this; God will judge based on the following.......


Rev.20
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


Your fate will be based on what you did or did not do during your lifetime. Hence the questions;

Is there something that you did BEFORE you were saved that you do not do now after hearing and having faith in God's words?

Can you go back to whatever it was that you USED to do and still enter into God's kingdom?


Now...did you read what the judge of ALL of word said was needed for eternal life? Did you read what Christ said was needed for salvation; spared having to die the second death, which is the lake of fire? Let's read it again.....

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

So here we have a very plain yet direct question. Now let's read the answer.....

[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Question asked.....question answered!

If we claim to love God we will do our best NOT to break any of His laws.

If we claim to love our neighbors we will do our best not to sin against him by breaking God's laws.


Now let's read the condensed version....AGAIN;

Matt.22
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


So instead of repeating ALL of God's laws Jesus simply tells us to keep the (2) laws of loving God and loving your neighbor. If you love God you will not lie, steal, kill, covet worship idols and so on. If you love your neighbor you will not lie, steal, covet kill or break any of God's other laws against your neighbor.


And now back to the laws of God and my other questions that were not answered;


Matt.22
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Again I ask yet 2 simple questions.....

Is keeping the above (2) laws needed to be allowed entrance into God's kingdom?

If a saint does NOT keep the above (2) laws can they expect to be saved from dying the second death, which is the lake of fire?


So we have Jesus...the one that will judge ALL of the world telling us we need to keep God's laws for eternal life. Then He condenses them into just (2) laws; Love God and love your neighbor.

Now how can Paul turn around and tell us we do NOT have to be under those laws?

Let's not for get something here.....we are to live by ALL of God's words....that means everything from Gen. to Rev. And at the same time there can be NO contradictions!

So what do we do? We have to search God's words to find the answer.

Jesus tells us to keep His laws for eternal life!

Paul tells us we are no longer under the law!

Either Jesus or Paul were lying.....OR maybe Paul was speaking of another set of laws throughout his writings.

One thing we know for sure.....it is NOT Jesus who is wrong! That leaves us having to search the bible and the writings of Paul.

And let's not forget about the warning we have concerning the writings of Paul;


2 Pet.3
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter warns us that ALL of Paul's letters are hard to understand.

So.....are you SURE that when Paul says we are not under the law he is speaking about ALL of the laws of God?

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[know1]

Your fate will be based on what you did or did not do during your lifetime. Hence the questions;
Is there something that you did BEFORE you were saved that you do not do now after hearing and having faith in God's words?
Can you go back to whatever it was that you USED to do and still enter into God's kingdom?
Now...did you read what the judge of ALL of word said was needed for eternal life? Did you read what Christ said was needed for salvation; spared having to die the second death, which is the lake of fire? Let's read it again.....
If we claim to love God we will do our best NOT to break any of His laws.
If we claim to love our neighbors we will do our best not to sin against him by breaking God's laws.
Again I ask yet 2 simple questions.....
Is keeping the above (2) laws needed to be allowed entrance into God's kingdom?
If a saint does NOT keep the above (2) laws can they expect to be saved from dying the second death, which is the lake of fire?
So we have Jesus...the one that will judge ALL of the world telling us we need to keep God's laws for eternal life. Then He condenses them into just (2) laws; Love God and love your neighbor.
Now how can Paul turn around and tell us we do NOT have to be under those laws?
Let's not for get something here.....we are to live by ALL of God's words....that means everything from Gen. to Rev. And at the same time there can be NO contradictions!

I have more questions for you sir.
What is truth and does the bible and/or Jesus give us half or partial truths, concerning the promises of God, that could still be considered truth?
For example,Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Okay, here we have a promise from God, even a covenant, even scripture, which cannot be broken and must come to pass it the life of any person who receives Christ or even believes on His name. Let's say that a person believes on the name of Jesus and receives Him in their heart as savior, and this person truly becomes a 'son of God', so if he were to die at that moment, he would go to heaven. Right?
But let's say, two minutes after he becomes a child of God, that he does not do the two commandments of God, but the opposite, and suddenly dies. Now what? Does He lose his salvation at that moment and when he repents, does he get it back again? Does the person who was one minute a child of the devil, then becomes a child of God when he believes and acts on this scripture, then two minutes later, does he lose it and become a child of the devil because he failed to obey the commandments of Jesus, then three minutes later, repents and become a child of God all over again? Will his salvation depend on where he's at, concerning his obedience or disobedience to the commandments of God, at the time of his death? Or will a lack of obedience negate the above scripture? Or is it a higher law?
The reason for my question is simply because the above scripture mentions nothing of losing ones salvation if one does not follow the commandments of God or to obey them in order to get or keep ones salvation. Therefore, this scripture would be a half or partial truth, which to most would be considered a lie.
Your thoughts on this please. Thanks.

 

[Enow]

]Let's back up a bit....


Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

So here we have a very plain yet direct question. Now let's read the answer.....

[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Question asked.....question answered!

No. It does not. Granted, this reference would fall in line better with what you are attempting to justify by your thesis, but the one in Matthew 22nd chapter is not pertaining to the topic of Matthew 19.

But let's take that reference in Matthew 19th chapter in context for what you are attempting to declare by reading onward.

Matthew 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

So Jesus has declared the futility of trying to keep the law in order to OBTAIN salvation.

If we claim to love God we will do our best NOT to break any of His laws.

If we claim to love our neighbors we will do our best not to sin against him by breaking God's laws.

There ya go. Doing your best. That is a boast of a religious man hoping to obtain righteousness as well as salvation by the deeds of the law. You will not be able to do that, brother, no matter how sincere you are because no matter how much the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak, therefore in respect to your reference in Matthew 19th chapter, what is impossible with man, is possible with God.

Look at what Paul said about being identified with the works of the law.

Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10 That I may know him,

Believers are to look to Jesus as their Good Shepherd for living the christian life just as they are to rest in Jesus Christ as their Saviour because they are saved for simply believing even in His name, bro.

That is why it is written that the just shall live by faith as He helps us to love others as God has loved us thus fulfilling the law.

The yoke you preach is neither easy nor the burden is light and therefore it is not of Him at all since even babes are free to come to Him so there is something drastically wrong with your thesis as you keep pointing to man and yourself for following Him, but we are to be pointing to Jesus Christ, our Enabler, so that we follow Him by faith.

That is something little children can do because all they can do is trust the Lord at His word. The difference between religion & a relationship based on trust in resting in Him & His promises to us.

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. 28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[Eccl12and13]

I have more questions for you sir.
What is truth and does the bible and/or Jesus give us half or partial truths, concerning the promises of God, that could still be considered truth?
For example,Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Okay, here we have a promise from God, even a covenant, even scripture, which cannot be broken and must come to pass it the life of any person who receives Christ or even believes on His name. Let's say that a person believes on the name of Jesus and receives Him in their heart as savior, and this person truly becomes a 'son of God', so if he were to die at that moment, he would go to heaven. Right?
But let's say, two minutes after he becomes a child of God, that he does not do the two commandments of God, but the opposite, and suddenly dies. Now what? Does He lose his salvation at that moment and when he repents, does he get it back again? Does the person who was one minute a child of the devil, then becomes a child of God when he believes and acts on this scripture, then two minutes later, does he lose it and become a child of the devil because he failed to obey the commandments of Jesus, then three minutes later, repents and become a child of God all over again? Will his salvation depend on where he's at, concerning his obedience or disobedience to the commandments of God, at the time of his death? Or will a lack of obedience negate the above scripture? Or is it a higher law?
The reason for my question is simply because the above scripture mentions nothing of losing ones salvation if one does not follow the commandments of God or to obey them in order to get or keep ones salvation. Therefore, this scripture would be a half or partial truth, which to most would be considered a lie.
Your thoughts on this please. Thanks.

Will not engage in hypothetical's.


Back to the laws of God and my other questions that were not answered;


Matt.22
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


Again I ask yet 2 simple questions.....

Is keeping the above (2) laws needed to be allowed entrance into God's kingdom?

If a saint does NOT keep the above (2) laws can they expect to be saved from dying the second death, which is the lake of fire?



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