Is man allowed by God to space travel?

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Is man allowed by God to space travel? I think most Christians would be surprised by what the Bible says about going into the Heavens.
Genesis 1:26-30
1:26 ¶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Isaiah 14:12-15 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, “I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit. NIV
Obadiah 1:3-4
3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

Many other scriptures point to the fact we can go there with flesh that is corruptible.
What do you think?
Per the OP question itself, God said, YES! As of July 20th 1969.

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Do you want what I know from scripture, rather than what I think? If so, I will tell you.

Mankind, as corrupted and fallen, cannot go there now (meaning yet, until something transforms us). Adam used to be the representative before, and could represent this world among the other worlds. In sin, satan took that place, and seen as the "god of this world" in Job 1 & 2; 1 Kings 22:22-23; 2 Chronicles 18:21-22, etc. Now, Jesus has taken that place, and is now glorified, and thus able to ascend to "there" (3rd Heaven). We would perish in the presence of God, and perish in the radiation of 'space' (especially the Van Allen belts, and especially after Starfish Prime, etc, etc).

It (3rd Heaven) is not in "another dimension" as some have incorrectly thought/stated [even without evidence or a single scripture], but Jesus Christ, from this very earth, ascended back, in a glorified body, to where He had been sent from. The third Heaven is a real physical place, and if we had such ability, we could travel to it, but God will never allow sin to leave this planet [it is the quarantine zone, the sickbed of the universal Hospital [angels, as nurses, Christ Jesus the Great Physician, a leper colony on an island in space, struck off [temporarily] from the continent of heaven, etc], and even now [since the Cross] satan is trapped here (cast down, to the earth), unable to leave [1 Timothy 6:7; Revelation 12:8-13; Romans 5:6 [combined with Revelation 12:10]; 2 Corinthians 4:4 [this world only and no other worldly body in the heavens] KJB]. Do not let N.A.S.A lie to you. Mankind [as in men themselves] never set foot upon the moon [and there is no rover on mars], the Bible says so. Though satan would love for mankind to be able to leave, and is working as hard as he can so that it could happen, so that he would conduct his warfare again in Heaven, by spreading fallen mankind and sin all over the sinless universe, and the unfallen worlds, he is limited. He presents a false front, he is attempting a counterfeit ladder to Heaven [a siege-tower of Babel, climbing up some other way, than the Way] through the so-called space program.
Amo_9:2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down:​

In short:

No. See 1 Timothy 6:7, which seems to draw upon Job 1:21 & Ecclesiastes 5:15.

Most of what you ‘see’ and ‘hear’ related to ‘space exploration’ is propagandistic, self-serving, and ultimately fraud (though certain truths are utilized), especially that ‘Apollo’ and ‘mars’ business. Humans and satan (see 2 Corinthians 4:4; Revelation 12:8-13) are confined to this local earth, though having access to high altitudes. Though satan would love to spread sin all over the unfallen universe.

N.A.S.A. - Not Always Scientifically Accurate
N.A.S.A. - Never A Straight Answer
N.A.S.A. - Numerous Anomalies Scams Abound
N.A.S.A. - National Academy of Space Actors
N.A.S.A. - Not Anything, Simply Aether,
N.A.S.A. - Neither Aerospace, Sadly, Astro-NOTS!
N.A.S.A. - Never Accept the Serpents Assertions.

The ‘space program’ is actually another system based upon the ‘tower of babel’ reasoning/thought, being another way up into Heaven other than The Way (John 14:6), another ladder other than the Jacob’s Ladder - Jesus Christ. The only way into Heaven now is by vision, or by John 14:1-3.

Some names I may recommend to you (most of which is freely available online to read or watch, consider scientifically). Bill Kaysing. James Collier (Was it only a paper moon); Bart Sibrel (Astronauts Gone Wild); Ralph Rene (Nasa Mooned America), Marcus Allen, and David Percy (What happened on the Moon, Analysis; Hall of Mirrors), Mary Bennett, Jim (James) Fetzer and/or Jarrah White (Moon Faker, Mars Faker (youtube); atheist), Richard Hall, and in this present list, last but not least, N.A.S.A. itself, and its own material, still available and that which has since been removed, deleted, redacted, etc.

Please be aware that this is in no way connected to the false theology of 'flat earth' (which is non-sequitur to the present discussion, and of which I do not believe (earth is basically sphere from all evidences, Bible, history, science, and the testimony of Jesus)).
Is the Earth flat?
 

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Is man allowed by God to space travel? I think most Christians would be surprised by what the Bible says about going into the Heavens.
Genesis 1:26-30
1:26 ¶And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 ¶And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Isaiah 14:12-15 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, “I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit. NIV
Obadiah 1:3-4
3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

Many other scriptures point to the fact we can go there with flesh that is corruptible.
What do you think?
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Nothing in Genesis 1:26-30 suggests that God forbids humans from traveling in to space. The passage in Isaiah isn't talking about space, but about the abode of God. You have to stretch Obadiah to connect it with space travel.

A little understanding of figurative language goes a long way. :)
 
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Yup it’s about the destruction of Edom a mountain dwelling nation who pretty much had their heads in the clouds must of been some tall people

The Destruction of Edom

Obadiah 1
1The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.

2Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

3The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?

4Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.

5If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off!) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?

6How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!
 

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Ah, "Star Trek", that original with Captain James T. Kirk. Do you realize it is atheistic propaganda religion? Consider:

Captain - Leader over others

James - Name of the chair of the First Council of Jerusalem, Acts 15, and Jesus' brother by marriage (Joseph's son to a previous marriage).

T. which is short for "Tiberius", - the very name of the secular/pagan Roman Caesar that Jesus Christ died under.

metamorphosed

It is all a play on Christianity in negative, and that denies God, and in several movies mocks God. Even in Star Trek V, traveling to a world "Sha Ka Ree" (Heaven) with "God" on it.

Remember, that Leonard Nemoy was a kabblisitic Jew, and used to take photos of naked women at his house with his wife present, as 'art'. He helped created much of the 'religion'/'philosophy' of that atheistic show.

This might be fascinating to some:

I would like to take where you were but did go back far enough up the tree

Church = Kirk = Greek goddess Mother Circe. The english words Circus and Circle also can be said have connection to Mother Circe as well.

KIRKE (Circe) was a goddess of sorcery (pharmakeia) who was skilled in the magic of transmutation, illusion, and necromancy. She lived on the mythical island of Aiaia (Aeaea) with her nymph companions.

When Odysseus came to her island she transformed his men into beasts but, with the help of the god Hermes, he overcame her and forced her to end the spell.

Kirke's name is derived from the Greek verb kirkoô meaning "to secure with rings" or "hoop around"--a reference to the binding power of magic.

The Kirk (Fooled People that were transformed or perverted by sorcery) were taken by the corporation (the enterprise) star trekin' (leave your God and search out other gods and light) to other stars (other sons of god or light).
 

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In my opinion from all my life time I have been graced with, I don't believe we belong in space with our physical corruptible bodies, that sin must remain on earth not in heaven!
 

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Mankind has a problem they mostly see only one side
As a result their world and God’s universe will collide
I heard that sunspots were a reflection of man’s sin and when he goes too far
A line is drawn and for a time no sunspots will be seen from our star
In the past many cultures were ended by this event
A toll line reached and will now be forced to pay their rent
They could of choose to remain in under God’s care
Instead they have chosen to go it alone and pay their own fare
For a world they carelessly destroyed with their vanity and pride
Thinking on their inventions to the Heavens they will ride
God told them to trust him not their inventions long ago
You don’t want to go that way those seeds should never be sowed
The fruit you will have to eat is bitter only yourselves to blame
Most are coming to realize that their world will never be the same
I hope many will follow my example and do their part
To be a good Christian and keep God’s love and light in your heart.
Feed God’s People through the hard times ahead
Don’t lose faith and follow false light instead
Even though the scroll has reached our stomachs and is unbelievably sour
If all history should weigh us, then let it be said this was our finest hour
Lets rise to the sound of the watchman’s horn call
Take a stand be the difference, then teach it to all.
 

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We have telescopes powerful enough to see the US flag on the moon.
As lt lays on the lunar surface? The first landing mission, the Apollo 11, the astronauts planted the flag too close to the lander. When it lifted off the propulsion from the jet engines exhaust knocked it over. Buzz Aldrin surmises that flag is likely gone by now. Though I don't know how that could happen when we're told space is a vacuum.
Six Flags on the Moon: What is Their Current Condition?
 
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In my opinion from all my life time I have been graced with, I don't believe we belong in space with our physical corruptible bodies, that sin must remain on earth not in heaven!
Nothing wrong with that but it’s not a good idea to pull scripture to try and validate that opinion.

OB1 kenobi is about a mountain nation and the content is figurative not God saying don’t go into the solar system
 

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I would like to take where you were but did go back far enough up the tree

Church = Kirk = Greek goddess Mother Circe. The english words Circus and Circle also can be said have connection to Mother Circe as well.

KIRKE (Circe) was a goddess of sorcery (pharmakeia) who was skilled in the magic of transmutation, illusion, and necromancy. She lived on the mythical island of Aiaia (Aeaea) with her nymph companions.

When Odysseus came to her island she transformed his men into beasts but, with the help of the god Hermes, he overcame her and forced her to end the spell.

Kirke's name is derived from the Greek verb kirkoô meaning "to secure with rings" or "hoop around"--a reference to the binding power of magic.

The Kirk (Fooled People that were transformed or perverted by sorcery) were taken by the corporation (the enterprise) star trekin' (leave your God and search out other gods and light) to other stars (other sons of god or light).
Talk about taking all the fun out of Tribbles.

I like how the communicator in the original was later seen in a way as the first flip cell phones.
 
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Mankind has a problem they mostly see only one side
As a result their world and God’s universe will collide
I heard that sunspots were a reflection of man’s sin and when he goes too far
A line is drawn and for a time no sunspots will be seen from our star
In the past many cultures were ended by this event
A toll line reached and will now be forced to pay their rent
They could of choose to remain in under God’s care
Instead they have chosen to go it alone and pay their own fare
For a world they carelessly destroyed with their vanity and pride
Thinking on their inventions to the Heavens they will ride
God told them to trust him not their inventions long ago
You don’t want to go that way those seeds should never be sowed
The fruit you will have to eat is bitter only yourselves to blame
Most are coming to realize that their world will never be the same
I hope many will follow my example and do their part
To be a good Christian and keep God’s love and light in your heart.
Feed God’s People through the hard times ahead
Don’t lose faith and follow false light instead
Even though the scroll has reached our stomachs and is unbelievably sour
If all history should weigh us, then let it be said this was our finest hour
Lets rise to the sound of the watchman’s horn call
Take a stand be the difference, then teach it to all.
again scripture doesn’t say sunspots are a reflection of sin, it’s the off the wall type of stuff like that that is false doctrine of men. you can choose to go down those rabbit holes it’s not productive.

God created the sun it doesn’t have spots of sin and what happened in the garden didn’t create sunspots
 

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In my opinion from all my life time I have been graced with, I don't believe we belong in space with our physical corruptible bodies, that sin must remain on earth not in heaven!
I agree in that we have no business colonizing other planets or even the moon. We've demonstrated a lack of respect for our home planet to date. We have no business taking our current level of consciousness off planet.
Besides that, if we ever did find alien life out there the first one's to volunteer for the greetings mission would be the Evangelicals. Higher intelligence light years from earth, and there those Evangelicals would be knocking on a rock and asking, have you heard the good news of Jesus Christ?

And those higher intelligence's would soberly peer out at the anxious proselytizers and respond:why yes, yes we have. And we've seen with our own many eyes what a doctrine that blankets your world in majority of the population there has accomplished in making your home world fail to reflect as example among its believers that which is Christ like. Now, GO HOME!

And they'd be right.
 

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Talk about taking all the fun out of Tribbles.

I like how the communicator in the original was later seen in a way as the first flip cell phones.
(In my opinion) Television= computer monitor, = cell (prison) phone = Crystal ball

In a world gone foul with brutal deeds, Mankind thinking of self and only greed.

walking as if asleep...Not seeing that history weeps. Crystal glass is before their face, their eyes becoming a blinded disgrace, As hearts harden with temptations watching Sin, the Light of God in Mankind weakens and grows dims. Fools lead, the minions sway, lost identity marks the way. Little Truths, Confusion and Pride, so many diversions will arrive. In an age where people In a daze stare and the things of importance treated as if not there. Their minds and beings are far off in a dream. And facing Reality becomes harder when they can’t take their eyes off the screen. Diversion of attention, A.D.D. Can’t concentrate long enough to see what I mean.

I looked and though for a moment what could I do, my face and self getting clearer my eyes unblinded with the Lords truth. What difference could I make? What chords would ring a bell, what would it take for people to believe that they can change from the path of Fate with reality becoming Hell?

'Try' is a word that can never be defeated, and if you do try you can say, that you made use of this in time, before the shame of Judgement Day. Not understanding this or being too busy is so easy to become the lie. I didn't think I could make a difference........so just like others I didn't even 'try'.

What you do with your time in the effort of this word is better than guilt, shame and scorn, so that if you are a good caretaker of your life and time, and faithful to the Lord you can be reborn.
 

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(In my opinion) Television= computer monitor, = cell (prison) phone = Crystal ball

In a world gone foul with brutal deeds, Mankind thinking of self and only greed.

walking as if asleep...Not seeing that history weeps. Crystal glass is before their face, their eyes becoming a blinded disgrace, As hearts harden with temptations watching Sin, the Light of God in Mankind weakens and grows dims. Fools lead, the minions sway, lost identity marks the way. Little Truths, Confusion and Pride, so many diversions will arrive. In an age where people In a daze stare and the things of importance treated as if not there. Their minds and beings are far off in a dream. And facing Reality becomes harder when they can’t take their eyes off the screen. Diversion of attention, A.D.D. Can’t concentrate long enough to see what I mean.

I looked and though for a moment what could I do, my face and self getting clearer my eyes unblinded with the Lords truth. What difference could I make? What chords would ring a bell, what would it take for people to believe that they can change from the path of Fate with reality becoming Hell?

'Try' is a word that can never be defeated, and if you do try you can say, that you made use of this in time, before the shame of Judgement Day. Not understanding this or being too busy is so easy to become the lie. I didn't think I could make a difference........so just like others I didn't even 'try'.

What you do with your time in the effort of this word is better than guilt, shame and scorn, so that if you are a good caretaker of your life and time, and faithful to the Lord you can be reborn.
Wow. The microwave oven must have made you near combust, huh?
 
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(In my opinion) Television= computer monitor, = cell (prison) phone = Crystal ball

In a world gone foul with brutal deeds, Mankind thinking of self and only greed.

walking as if asleep...Not seeing that history weeps. Crystal glass is before their face, their eyes becoming a blinded disgrace, As hearts harden with temptations watching Sin, the Light of God in Mankind weakens and grows dims. Fools lead, the minions sway, lost identity marks the way. Little Truths, Confusion and Pride, so many diversions will arrive. In an age where people In a daze stare and the things of importance treated as if not there. Their minds and beings are far off in a dream. And facing Reality becomes harder when they can’t take their eyes off the screen. Diversion of attention, A.D.D. Can’t concentrate long enough to see what I mean.

I looked and though for a moment what could I do, my face and self getting clearer my eyes unblinded with the Lords truth. What difference could I make? What chords would ring a bell, what would it take for people to believe that they can change from the path of Fate with reality becoming Hell?

'Try' is a word that can never be defeated, and if you do try you can say, that you made use of this in time, before the shame of Judgement Day. Not understanding this or being too busy is so easy to become the lie. I didn't think I could make a difference........so just like others I didn't even 'try'.

What you do with your time in the effort of this word is better than guilt, shame and scorn, so that if you are a good caretaker of your life and time, and faithful to the Lord you can be reborn.
wow people are fools, you need to get back to the basics Jesus wept
 

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(In my opinion) Television= computer monitor, = cell (prison) phone = Crystal ball
can i just point out that you are obviously using one of these right now to post on this website?
 

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again scripture doesn’t say sunspots are a reflection of sin, it’s the off the wall type of stuff like that that is false doctrine of men. you can choose to go down those rabbit holes it’s not productive.

God created the sun it doesn’t have spots of sin and what happened in the garden didn’t create sunspots
I will use any wisdom God has allowed me to reach mankind where they are consciencely. Just because another won't go down that path to reach a lost soul doesn't mean I won't try. Paul in the Bible use the understanding of other cultures to Teach about the true God, I do likewise. When we all stand before the Throne I will witness that I tried, as well as witnessing what other Christians said and did while I was Trying. And you and all others can witness what you did, said and acted as well as what others did that you are conscience of. I don't fear that day.......only not doing my duty my calling.