Is Obama the anichrist discussion

[doulos]

Why do we have to have people being "clever" by point scoring over antichrists v The AntiChrist aka The Beast along with his sidekick, False Prophet.

The Bible gives a description and Obama does not fit.

It’s not about point scoring but standing for the truth of God’s word. Just because commonly taught false doctrine teaches that antichrist, the false prophet and the beast are the same entity does not make it true. If we build our belief on what Scripture actually states we will come to a far different conclusion then the commonly taught false doctrines of futurism promote.

Scripture tells us that antichrist is a spirit or any one that denies Christ/God. It does not tell us that antichrist is a false prophet or a beast.

The false prophet is one of satan’s minions that lead people astray. A prime example of this is mohamaaad who has lierally led billions (plus approximately 1.5 billion in today’s world) to perdition in the last 1400 years with his antichrist teaching that God has no Son.

Scripture tells us that beast are kingdoms, and history proves God’s Word true.. Scripture does not tell us that a beast is some boogeyman known as the antichrist

Are you suggesting we should not take a stance against those who teach the false doctrines that promote the fallacy the antichrist, false prophet and beast are the same entity despite the fact that Scripture says something different?

 

[doulos]

Its not obama the bible says alot of people are gonna be decived an love the antichrist cause he will seem like a great person...... defintly not obama.

Where does the bible say that people "are gonna be decived an love the antichrist cause he will seem like a great person"?
Simply put it does not say that people will love the antichrist because he seems like a great person. Sadly that is nothing more then commonly taught false doctrine. For your convenience I am including the only 4 verses in Scripture that uses the term antichrist or antichrists.


1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

As we can all see none of those 4 verses support the Scripturally bankrupt belief that people are going to love the antichrist because he seems like a nice person.

 

[Bistabuster]

It’s not about point scoring but standing for the truth of God’s word. Just because commonly taught false doctrine teaches that antichrist, the false prophet and the beast are the same entity does not make it true. If we build our belief on what Scripture actually states we will come to a far different conclusion then the commonly taught false doctrines of futurism promote.

Scripture tells us that antichrist is a spirit or any one that denies Christ/God. It does not tell us that antichrist is a false prophet or a beast.

The false prophet is one of satan’s minions that lead people astray. A prime example of this is mohamaaad who has lierally led billions (plus approximately 1.5 billion in today’s world) to perdition in the last 1400 years with his antichrist teaching that God has no Son.

Scripture tells us that beast are kingdoms, and history proves God’s Word true.. Scripture does not tell us that a beast is some boogeyman known as the antichrist

Are you suggesting we should not take a stance against those who teach the false doctrines that promote the fallacy the antichrist, false prophet and beast are the same entity despite the fact that Scripture says something different?

Didn't I say that?

 

[wisebeardman]

is Obama an evil man. yes
Antichrist. no.

 

[jmlidea]

one more reason christians are totally wacked when it comes to REALITY...

 

[jerusalem]

there are many antichrists. the spirit of antichrist has already been here for a very long time and it is the spirit that says that Jesus did not come in the flesh. however THE ANTICHRIST will be revealed so until he is we can't be certain who he is. we can be certain, however, who are antichrist's. from nimrod on they have been very plain to see. they operate the same way abuser's do. they behave as though they care for you and have your best interests at heart until they have complete control over you ..... the warning signs are always there though if you allow yourself to see them. obama is clearly a key player in any event.

 

[Bistabuster]

is Obama an evil man. yes
Antichrist. no.

You tell me if Obama's actions support Jesus Christ. In other words, can you tell me with certainty that Obama believes in Jesus Christ is the Son of God? I clearly see he does NOT! Therefore, Obama is an antichrist. He is the only type of antichrist there is in the whole Bible.

 

[iamsoandso]

Obama's the "back-up- antichrist",,,,,,in case something happens to the real one,,,,,

 

[iamsoandso]

Obama's the "back-up- antichrist",,,,,,in case something happens to the real one,,,,,

not really,,,he probably just like us,just as scared,,,,just as hopeful,,,just as embarrassed when the floor's slippery and he falls,,,,,

 

[Elizabeth619]

one more reason christians are totally wacked when it comes to REALITY...

I can tell you will no survive this forum long.
Have fun while it lasts.

 

[peterT]

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1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

The 4 verses quoted above are the only 4 verses in Scripture that use the term antichrist or antichrists. Not one of those 4 verses suggests or give us reason to believe antichrist is a world ruler or that there is only one antichrist. Instead those verses tell us that all who deny Christ/God are antichrists and they have been with us since John wrote those verses. Sadly many claim 1John2:18 lends support to the view antichrist is a future boogeyman. Unfortunately it does not. In 1John4:3 John tells us “this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world” Those that are intellectually honest with Scripture recognize that John already told us exactly who/what antichrist shall come is.

Satan’s ploy has worked well the masses have been duped and they are so indoctrinated they refuse to accept the truth even when shown what Scripture really says. Sadly those who have been deluded into believing this lie are so busy looking over their shoulder for the boogeyman that they fail to recognize the leopard, bear, lion beast (spiritual kingdom of islam) of Rev13 is staring right at them ready to take their heads.

There are plenty of scriptures in the Bible saying there is an antichrist in the end, and that he has power over ALL kindreds and tongues and nations and he shows himself AS GOD.


2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

He has ALL POWER, power over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations.and shows himself as God and opposeth. So that would make him antichrist.

Woops.

Now that would make him a world leader.


Rv13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


John said an antichrist shall come 1Jn 2:18

And even Jesus said “The Prince Of This World Cometh, john14;30.

In the end 10 antichrist king give there power and strength to the beast and are of one mind, and make war with the lamb, so that would make them antichrist.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Woops.

And hear is another king that comes out of the ten kings in the Ancient of days and makes war with the saints. So that would make him antichrist.

Daniel7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

The devil already goes about as a roaring lion seeking who he may devour in the spirit realm, but in the end he is cast out into the earth, and persecuted the woman and her seed. And he is not going to play second fiddle to anyone

Rv12;9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Yes the are plenty of scriptures in the Bible saying there is an antichrist in the end

 

[Bistabuster]

There are plenty of scriptures in the Bible saying there is an antichrist in the end, and that he has power over ALL kindreds and tongues and nations and he shows himself AS GOD.


2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

He has ALL POWER, power over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and nations.and shows himself as God and opposeth. So that would make him antichrist.

Woops.

Now that would make him a world leader.


Rv13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


John said an antichrist shall come 1Jn 2:18

And even Jesus said “The Prince Of This World Cometh, john14;30.

In the end 10 antichrist king give there power and strength to the beast and are of one mind, and make war with the lamb, so that would make them antichrist.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Woops.

And hear is another king that comes out of the ten kings in the Ancient of days and makes war with the saints. So that would make him antichrist.

Daniel7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

The devil already goes about as a roaring lion seeking who he may devour in the spirit realm, but in the end he is cast out into the earth, and persecuted the woman and her seed. And he is not going to play second fiddle to anyone

Rv12;9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Yes the are plenty of scriptures in the Bible saying there is an antichrist in the end

How many ways is there to say Jesus is God?
I am the first and the last.
Before Abraham was, I am.
I and the Father are one.

These are just a few. There are more. Do all these verses say the same thing? Yes.

An antichrist has many ways to identify it as well.

antichrist.
son of perdition.
man of sin.

Are they too meaning the same thing? Yes!

I know this is hard to believe but those four Bible verses identify that there is no such thing as an antichrist. You're more than welcome to wait for it to come, but it will never happen. It's like you telling me it will snow in Hawaii. Good luck on that one. We tell you the geography of Hawaii and where it sits in accordance to the equator and year round temperature that never reach freezing yet you insist it will snow in Hawaii. Right!!

 

[peterT]

How many ways is there to say Jesus is God?
I am the first and the last.
Before Abraham was, I am.
I and the Father are one.

These are just a few. There are more. Do all these verses say the same thing? Yes.

An antichrist has many ways to identify it as well.

antichrist.
son of perdition.
man of sin.

Are they too meaning the same thing? Yes!

I know this is hard to believe but those four Bible verses identify that there is no such thing as an antichrist. You're more than welcome to wait for it to come, but it will never happen. It's like you telling me it will snow in Hawaii. Good luck on that one. We tell you the geography of Hawaii and where it sits in accordance to the equator and year round temperature that never reach freezing yet you insist it will snow in Hawaii. Right!!

What?

 

[Bistabuster]

What?

Just because I say I want an antichrist to show doesn't mean it will. Does it? There are many names given but it doesn't necessarily mean different things. It could be identifying the same item in question such as Jesus calling himself God.

 

[Elizabeth619]

FYI, it does snow in Hawaii.

 

[peterT]

Just because I say I want an antichrist to show doesn't mean it will. Does it? .

I did not say I want an antichrist to show bro, I just quoted some scripture

There are many names given but it doesn't necessarily mean different things. It could be identifying the same item in question such as Jesus calling himself God.

Thanks for that, sounds about right.

Man of sin,
The lawless one
Little horn
Vile person
Prince of this world
And antichrist shall come,
The beast
dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan

 

[Bistabuster]

I did not say I want an antichrist to show bro, I just quoted some scripture



Thanks for that, sounds about right.

Man of sin,
The lawless one
Little horn
Vile person
Prince of this world
And antichrist shall come,
The beast
dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan

You misquoted the "antichrist shall come" Definitely took that out of context. It say that the antichrist that shall come isn't going to happen at all. It is a rumor. Lets look at it again in full context.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; even now already is it in the world.

Now, this spirit of antichrist that you want to come so badly will not happen at all due to this one verse. First off, if this was a identifying a person, it would be capitalized. No antichrist words are capitalized. There are only 5 times that word is printed in the whole Bible. Next, John says that you have heard that it (the antichrist) should come. Stop there for a moment. Exactly what did John say? What does it mean? It means that there has been a rumor mill floating around where people were saying that an antichrist is coming. At this point, who do you want to believe, John or the rumor mill people? John saw this and needed to get this corrected. The last point John said pertaining to this rumor was "even now already is it (the antichrist) in the world." When was this supposed being that is to be called the fictional character called the antichrist supposed to be in the world? Somewhere between now and the appointed time of his arrival? Nope. It is during John's time 2,000 years ago. Not only did John tell us what it is (anybody who doesn't believe in Jesus as the Son of God), and that it is a rumor that is already there (2,000 years ago).

John CLEARLY stated that there is no such thing as a master single being antichrist. All it is is anybody, whether it be you, me or even both of us that do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. That makes us antichrists. It is not rocket science. The failure comes because people don't read Scriptures in their shoes. This passage was spoken 2,000 years ago so therefore it starts 2,000 years ago. Some prophecies are applied in same like manner unless Scripture states otherwise.

 

[peterT]

You misquoted the "antichrist shall come" Definitely took that out of context. It say that the antichrist that shall come isn't going to happen at all. It is a rumor. Lets look at it again in full context.

1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; even now already is it in the world.
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NO I didn’t misquoted bro

1john2:18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

[Bistabuster]

NO I didn’t misquoted bro

1john2:18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

OK. So, does that mean that there is no antichrist coming in the future to rule the world? Is antichrist referring only to people (all people) who do not believe in Jesus?

Is that what you believe?

 

[doulos]

There are plenty of scriptures in the Bible saying there is an antichrist in the end, and that he has power over ALL kindreds and tongues and nations and he shows himself AS GOD.

Then show us the verses that say this. Book chapter and verse please!


1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Oh thats right there are none. As we can all see not a single one of the only 4 verses that use the term antichrist or antichrists support the Scripturally bankrupt futurists propoganda (derived from the heretical writings of the antireformation rantings of a Jesuit priest) you keep promoting.

"The folly of interpreters has been to foretell times and things by this prophecy [Revelation], as if God designed to make them prophets. By this rashness they have not only exposed themselves, but brought the prophecy also into contempt. The design of God was much otherwise. He gave this and the prophecies of the Old Testament, not to gratify men's curiosities by enabling them to foreknow things, but that after they were fulfilled they might be interpreted by the event, and his own providence, not the interpreters', be then manifested thereby to the world. For the event of things predicted many ages before will then be a convincing argument that the world is governed by Providence." - Sir Isaac Newton


If you want to join the ranks of the futurists (false prophets) before you (like Edgar Whisenant and Harold Camping) who have failed in their predictions and brought the Scriptures into contempt that is your choice.


There are many antichrists and they have been here since John wrote those verses. antichrist is a spirit that inhabits all that deny Christ/God making those who allow that lying spirit into their heart to be human antichrists, it is not some boogeyman that rules the world in the end.

If you want to understand the man of sin, you must first understand the "temple of God" is not some future man made building. (See 1Cor3:16-17 and 2Cor6:16 Eph2:19-21 Acts7:48 and Acts17:24)

Beasts are kingdoms just as the book of Daniel tells us and history proves. (see Dan7:23 and study history to see what kingdom was the lion or the bear or the leopard)

"God is truth, so how well a person serves the Lord is not dependent on how artfully he can defend his doctrines, but on his willingness to seek out and follow the truth." - Ellis Skolfield.

Maybe it is time to "seek out and follow truth" instead of blindly standing by a Scripturally bankrupt false doctrine that originates from the heretical writings of antireformation Jesuit priest.


Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


I'll waste no more time on you so long as you prefer your doctrine over the truth of the Scriptures. As you are led my friend, as you are led!