Is once saved always saved true? Or is it only giving false security?

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GreenNnice

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Faith is the only thing conditional for salvation, eg.

By grace are ye saved through faith, and that (faith) is not of ourself, it is a free gift of God, not as a result of works, that no man should boast.

Faith in what you probably ask? In just the cross, green, that saves me? Yes, following Him, which is very simple, it is:

1. denying ourself
2. take up our cross
3. follow Him

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eternally-gratefull

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Faith is the only thing conditional for salvation, eg.

By grace are ye saved through faith, and that (faith) is not of ourself, it is a free gift of God, not as a result of works, that no man should boast.

Faith in what you probably ask? In just the cross, green, that saves me? Yes, following Him, which is very simple, it is:

1. denying ourself
2. take up our cross
3. follow Him

:)

So we are under law and not under grace? for it is only by law that we can know we are doing what you just said we have to do. Also, doing those things are HARD work.. Again, if this is what we need to do to be saved, salvation would be alot of hard work to get. And I know I would boast of doing this.

so to me my faith is I am not worthy. I can not save myself. I will never be worthy, and only by the grace of God through the death of his son can I be made right with God.

the rest of the stuff comes after.. and can only be learned as we grow in Christ. which is called sanctification. Justification is salvation. if we do not have this, we are still alienated from God. and those things would not help you.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Because u don't understand it.
Says who? Forgive me, but that is a prety rude thing to say. What makes you an expert on Gods word and others who disagree with you not experts?

If you want to listen to men, go ahead. But I would watch it how you condemn others.
 
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So we are under law and not under grace? for it is only by law that we can know we are doing what you just said we have to do. Also, doing those things are HARD work.. Again, if this is what we need to do to be saved, salvation would be alot of hard work to get. And I know I would boast of doing this.

so to me my faith is I am not worthy. I can not save myself. I will never be worthy, and only by the grace of God through the death of his son can I be made right with God.

the rest of the stuff comes after.. and can only be learned as we grow in Christ. which is called sanctification. Justification is salvation. if we do not have this, we are still alienated from God. and those things would not help you.
Amen
I thought he was doing very well in what he wrote until he tagged one, two and three on for salvation and said they were simple, for they are not.

the Christian walk is not easy , far from it, but there is no walk better, though we so often fall short, ALL OF US!
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Says who? Forgive me, but that is a prety rude thing to say. What makes you an expert on Gods word and others who disagree with you not experts?

If you want to listen to men, go ahead. But I would watch it how you condemn others.

That have said all Holy Fathers of 2000years of the Church.U are on anathema of all 7 Ecumenical Councils.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That have said all Holy Fathers of 2000years of the Church.U are on anathema of all 7 Ecumenical Councils.
I follow the word of God. Not some counsel of men which are not inspired. I suggest you do the same thing. The jews followed the counsels of their fathers which were not inspired. You see what good it did them. The word is what makes us free. not counsels of men.

The only fathers I follow Are Paul, Peter, James, John, Mathew mark and luke, Abraham, David, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Moses etc etc.. You ever hear of them?? They and others like them should be the only men you listen to!
 
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I follow the word of God. Not some counsel of men which are not inspired. I suggest you do the same thing. The jews followed the counsels of their fathers which were not inspired. You see what good it did them. The word is what makes us free. not counsels of men.

The only fathers I follow Are Paul, Peter, James, John, Mathew mark and luke, Abraham, David, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Moses etc etc.. You ever hear of them?? They and others like them should be the only men you listen to!

Right,but u do not understand what do the speaking about.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Right,but u do not understand what do the speaking about.
lol. why, because men who were not even born until long after the scripture was complete says so?

thanks. But I understand quite well what I am speaking about. what those men say does not line up with the true church fathers.. you know. the ones who wrote scripture!
 
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lol. why, because men who were not even born until long after the scripture was complete says so?

thanks. But I understand quite well what I am speaking about. what those men say does not line up with the true church fathers.. you know. the ones who wrote scripture!

Holy Fathers exist today,they lived in time when Bible was written,when books were collected,when it needed to be struggle against heresies.I know that u do not understand me,that is why u have to read them,to open your spiritual eyes,Holy fathers and Bible,to understand it.Read those who lived long time before Luther,present Pope of Rome,Calvin or any of false prophets.
 
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Holy Fathers exist today,they lived in time when Bible was written,when books were collected,when it needed to be struggle against heresies.I know that u do not understand me,that is why u have to read them,to open your spiritual eyes,Holy fathers and Bible,to understand it.Read those who lived long time before Luther,present Pope of Rome,Calvin or any of false prophets.
I have studied there doctrines. I do not agree with them. Their doctrines do not line up with the word of God. and are only supported by things outside of scripture, and small amounts of scripture taken out of context.

Sorry, but eternity is to long to place mine in the hands of men who did not write the word of God. I will trust Gods word, and that only. and suggest you do the same.
 
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Holy Fathers exist today,they lived in time when Bible was written,when books were collected,when it needed to be struggle against heresies.I know that u do not understand me,that is why u have to read them,to open your spiritual eyes,Holy fathers and Bible,to understand it.Read those who lived long time before Luther,present Pope of Rome,Calvin or any of false prophets.
Do you see a role for the Holy Spirit in revealing truth as the Bible is read?
Or should we look to 'church fathers' to understand scripture?
 
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So we are under law and not under grace? for it is only by law that we can know we are doing what you just said we have to do. Also, doing those things are HARD work.. Again, if this is what we need to do to be saved, salvation would be alot of hard work to get. And I know I would boast of doing this.

so to me my faith is I am not worthy. I can not save myself. I will never be worthy, and only by the grace of God through the death of his son can I be made right with God.

the rest of the stuff comes after.. and can only be learned as we grow in Christ. which is called sanctification. Justification is salvation. if we do not have this, we are still alienated from God. and those things would not help you.
No, eg, not under law, but, through faith, and that faith is not of ourselves. God will increase our faith as we have faith in Him leading our life. it is work, true, in the general sense, but, our burdens in life are heavy whereas God lightens our burdens WHEN we give them to Him, through the Spirit, His Spirit inside our temple, spirit to Spirit, if you will, we have a Comforter that gets us through what you say is 'HARD.' :)


This is not judging, eg, either, it is simply explaining that 'By grace are ye saved, through FAITH--and, that (faith) is not of yourself, it is a free gift of God (our faith is not something we had to pay for, to believe in Him, our measure is enough, just like His grace :) ), not as a result of works(again, our faith is not something we earn, it is given), that no one should boast (don't you dare run others' races :) )
I agree, too, we are, indeed, saved by grace, but we are not 'under grace,' for salvation, we are 'saved' through faith, that is why those two words are right next to each other. :)

Faith is easy and it will be no work at all, and, no, of course, NOT WORKS, when one just sits back, relaxes, in Him, and, be doing the created good works He made for us before we were born, for all He wants us to be in our lives is very simple, too: His workmanship. :)
 
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I have studied there doctrines. I do not agree with them. Their doctrines do not line up with the word of God. and are only supported by things outside of scripture, and small amounts of scripture taken out of context.

Sorry, but eternity is to long to place mine in the hands of men who did not write the word of God. I will trust Gods word, and that only. and suggest you do the same.
Do as u wish.
 
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Do you see a role for the Holy Spirit in revealing truth as the Bible is read?
Or should we look to 'church fathers' to understand scripture?
Who could revelate them truth if it wasnt Holy Spirit?
 
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Who could revelate them truth if it wasnt Holy Spirit?
WHo is limiting the HS to who he can declare truth too? it is not us, it is you guys! The HS can declare truth through ANYONE. that is what scripture says, Yet according to you guys, this is not truth. so who is limiting the power of God? not us!
 
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WHo is limiting the HS to who he can declare truth too? it is not us, it is you guys! The HS can declare truth through ANYONE. that is what scripture says, Yet according to you guys, this is not truth. so who is limiting the power of God? not us!
I must say that is impossibe,because of simple thing.Our spiritual lifes isn't on high level as it have to be,that we could have dignaty to receive revelations of Holy Spirit.I do not limit Holy Spirit,but i limit us,sinfull and unrightorius people!
We leading lifes of hipocrite and lifes of immoral beings!That is why Holy Spirit left some of us.
As i said,all Protestants and the others are under anathema of 7 Ecumenical Councils.About 2000 Holy Fathers attend on those 7 Councis,and all agree in every letter of canons and dogmas.They were unchaged until Church was separated on East and West.East today holding canons and dogmas unchanged,West have changed some of them.And u(Protestants) came from them.
Who are u then?
 

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That have said all Holy Fathers of 2000years of the Church.U are on anathema of all 7 Ecumenical Councils.
You can take your enema,eh-hem, I mean Anathema and shove it you know where!
 
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I must say that is impossibe,because of simple thing.Our spiritual lifes isn't on high level as it have to be,that we could have dignaty to receive revelations of Holy Spirit.I do not limit Holy Spirit,but i limit us,sinfull and unrightorius people!
Thats odd. The HS brings people who are dead to God to a living knowledge of him. And you want me to believe the HS can not speak to ANYONE? Sorry, I am not buying it. That is just an excuse by your church to keep you listening to them. because they know if you studied the word you would find them out.
We leading lifes of hipocrite and lifes of immoral beings!That is why Holy Spirit left some of us.
Scripture says those the HS enters, he seals forever. you do know when the day of redemption is do you not? The HS does not leave people. he chastens them when they go astray, but he does not leave them. this is another lie by your church.

As i said,all Protestants and the others are under anathema of 7 Ecumenical Councils.About 2000 Holy Fathers attend on those 7 Councis,and all agree in every letter of canons and dogmas.They were unchaged until Church was separated on East and West.East today holding canons and dogmas unchanged,West have changed some of them.And u(Protestants) came from them.
Who are u then?
Well. those seven counsels are in anathema, because they distort the word of God. Add to the word of God. and declare themsleves equal to the word of God. That is blasphemy.