Is polygamy ok to God?

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Dagallen

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To assume Cain married his sister, is interesting at best and can be fun at times but to believe it to be true is foolish, as it lacks evidenced, it reminds me of the Serpent story, the Serpent was a talking snake, is foolish but interesting because it lacks evidenced.
 
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Dagallen said:
After Seth was born, then it records other sons and daughters, why not before ? If we put daughters before Seth, then we change the story, by assuming there were daughters before Seth, therefore one can only assume, there is no evidents to back that Cain married a sister.
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There is no evidence to back that Cain did not marry someone to whom he was related. Since Adam named Eve the mother of all living, it would seem he would have had to marry kin. We do not know how old Cain was when he wed. It could have been a great grand niece he married for all we know.
 
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I think it depends on circumstance/culture and time period where people needed to reproduce to build rank/ numbers to their tribes/family for protection.
God's original plan was to have marriage between 1 man and 1 woman...but that was then and this is now so 1 man 1 woman is righteous, anything else is sin.
 
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Dagallen said:
After Seth was born, then it records other sons and daughters, why not before ? If we put daughters before Seth, then we change the story, by assuming there were daughters before Seth, therefore one can only assume, there is no evidents to back that Cain married a sister.
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You still have not suggested another plausible scenario. We know for a certainty that Abram (Abraham) married his half sister; and there is no record of God having criticized him for doing so. In Seth's case the need to marry a sister would have been much more pressing as there is no record of any alternative.
 
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Huckleberry

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Dagallen said:
After Seth was born, then it records other sons and daughters, why not before ? If we put daughters before Seth, then we change the story, by assuming there were daughters before Seth, therefore one can only assume, there is no evidents to back that Cain married a sister.
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Why all the tortured explanations?
Why you got such a problem with this?
Adam and Eve not only had children before Seth,
but before Cain and Abel, and they were all daughters.
See Genesis 1:28 and 4:1.
After the curse, Eve was "able" to conceive sons.
The sons had no choice but to marry their sisters
since they were the only mates available for them.
There were no genetic mutations then, so birth defects weren't an issue.
Also, there would no laws against it until the days of Moses over 2,000 years later.
This stuff's not that hard to figure out.

Dagallen said:
To assume Cain married his sister, is interesting at best and can be fun at times but to believe it to be true is foolish, as it lacks evidenced, it reminds me of the Serpent story, the Serpent was a talking snake, is foolish but interesting because it lacks evidenced.
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Here you go again.
The serpent was not a snake, it was a dragon.
You gotta read the whole Bible, man.
 
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Dagallen

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Huckleberry said:
Why all the tortured explanations?
Why you got such a problem with this?
Adam and Eve not only had children before Seth,
but before Cain and Abel, and they were all daughters.
See Genesis 1:28 and 4:1.
After the curse, Eve was "able" to conceive sons.
The sons had no choice but to marry their sisters
since they were the only mates available for them.
There were no genetic mutations then, so birth defects weren't an issue.
Also, there would no laws against it until the days of Moses over 2,000 years later.
This stuff's not that hard to figure out.


Here you go again.
The serpent was not a snake, it was a dragon.
You gotta read the whole Bible, man.
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The Serpent wasn't a snake, the serpent was not a dragon.
 
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Dagallen

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Huckleberry said:
Why all the tortured explanations?
Why you got such a problem with this?
Adam and Eve not only had children before Seth,
but before Cain and Abel, and they were all daughters.
See Genesis 1:28 and 4:1.
After the curse, Eve was "able" to conceive sons.
The sons had no choice but to marry their sisters
since they were the only mates available for them.
There were no genetic mutations then, so birth defects weren't an issue.
Also, there would no laws against it until the days of Moses over 2,000 years later.
This stuff's not that hard to figure out.


Here you go again.
The serpent was not a snake, it was a dragon.
You gotta read the whole Bible, man.
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Adam and Eve had children before Cain, really ? This I got to hear, as the story just keeps getting bigger, so let's hear about these so called children ?
 
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Dagallen

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MarcR said:
You still have not suggested another plausible scenario. We know for a certainty that Abram (Abraham) married his half sister; and there is no record of God having criticized him for doing so. In Seth's case the need to marry a sister would have been much more pressing as there is no record of any alternative.
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There are other plausible.
 
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Dagallen

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Magenta said:
There is no evidence to back that Cain did not marry someone to whom he was related. Since Adam named Eve the mother of all living, it would seem he would have had to marry kin. We do not know how old Cain was when he wed. It could have been a great grand niece he married for all we know.
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I agree that there is no evidence that Cain did not married someone related to him, just as there is no evidence that he did marry someone who was related.
 
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J7

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I really miss SerpentDove's hilarious posts
 
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J7

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I guess back in those days things were very different. Men probably had much higher libidos. These days our poor food and all the plastics and pollutants have feminized men. Solomon must have been quite energetic.

Also women weren't radicalized feminists armed with the pill. After a few children they quite often died, like Rachel, in childbirth, so they were probably delighted to have some co-wives to lessen the child-bearing burden.
 
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Dagallen

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J7 said:
I guess back in those days things were very different. Men probably had much higher libidos. These days our poor food and all the plastics and pollutants have feminized men. Solomon must have been quite energetic.

Also women weren't radicalized feminists armed with the pill. After a few children they quite often died, like Rachel, in childbirth, so they were probably delighted to have some co-wives to lessen the child-bearing burden.
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Interesting points !
 
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Dagallen said:
I agree that there is no evidence that Cain did not married someone related to him, just as there is no evidence that he did marry someone who was related.
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I gave the Biblical evidence that Cain married someone to whom he was related, but you seem to have overlooked it. Eve was the mother of all living. “And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.” Genesis 3:21
 
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If Eve is the mother of all living,Cain would of had to marry a relative,but since the law was not given yet,it was alright,and it had to be for the earth to start being repopulated.
 
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Dagallen

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Magenta said:
I gave the Biblical evidence that Cain married someone to whom he was related, but you seem to have overlooked it. Eve was the mother of all living. “And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.” Genesis 3:21
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The word Eve represent the female race, therefore all women are the mother's of the living not just one woman, is Eve the mother of my children ? Of course not !.
 
Magenta

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Dagallen said:
The word Eve represent the female race, therefore all women are the mother's of the living not just one woman, is Eve the mother of my children ? Of course not !.
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That is not what Scripture says. The fact remains that Eve was the matriarch of ALL living in her time, meaning she is the source from whom all others originally sprang. Your grandmother is your matriarch despite the fact that she is not your mother, and her mother the matriarch before her. This is a fairly simple concept. Cain would have had to marry someone to whom he was related, but this need not have been a sister as already pointed out.

Adam and Eve had other children besides Cain, Abel, and Seth. Genesis 5:4 says that "after Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years," and that "he had other sons and daughters." In fact, the genealogy of Genesis 5 records that every descendant of Adam down to Lamech had "other sons and daughters." These other sons and daughters were born to men even older than 187 years. Considering the long life spans recorded in Genesis 5, and assuming that couples remained reproductive for about half their lifetime, the possibility existed for a veritable population explosion. In fact, the world's population could have approached a few billion by the time of Adam's death at the age of 930.
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According to the simple mathematics, if Cain waited to marry until he was about 200 years old, he probably had several women to choose from. If he waited another 200 years to build a city, he could have had at least a few thousand people to help him, again assuming some migration occurred. It is not entirely impossible that Cain had sisters from whom to take a wife even before his banishment and the birth of Seth. The text does not tell us, *and the fact remains, he could have married a niece or grand niece or great grand niece etc. Some of this (including population growth table) was sourced from http://www.reasons.org/articles/finding-a-wife-for-cain
 
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Huckleberry

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Dagallen said:
Adam and Eve had children before Cain, really ? This I got to hear, as the story just keeps getting bigger, so let's hear about these so called children ?
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All your posts are basically "I don't believe.......", and "There's no evidence.......".
You say there are "other plausible" scenarios, but you've not enlightened us with any.
Why won't you outline what you do believe there's evidence for?
Can you back up anything you've said to this point?
 
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Dagallen

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Huckleberry said:
All your posts are basically "I don't believe.......", and "There's no evidence.......".
You say there are "other plausible" scenarios, but you've not enlightened us with any.
Why won't you outline what you do believe there's evidence for?
Can you back up anything you've said to this point?
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Could Cain have married someone he was related ? Yes that is possible but does the scriptures say that Cain married someone related to him ? The scriptures does not say either way, so one therefore can only assume, as one can not prove anything one way or another. Adam had sons and daughters after Seth, not before Seth, Seth was a replacement for the loss of Abel, therefore Cain already killed Abel before Seth was born, Cain went east and took a wife, Seth was born and after Seth, Adam had many sons and daughters. The odds of Cain taking a sister as a wife, would be zero to none.
 
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