Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

[Brian_Graham]

FYI guys I do not know if you know this but this pope is very PC and political .

that being said the other leaders have to be putting pressure on the Pope because he is retiring . have you heard about that ? I think this is his was of given Rome that finger . what say you all?

I assume you're talking about Francis.

Preaching May 15 at the Vatican’s Santa Marta Residence, the Pope noted that St. Paul, who was "compelled by the Holy Spirit" to leave Ephesus and journey to Jerusalem, "shows us the pathway for every bishop when it’s time to take his leave and step down." "When I read this, I think about myself," Pope Francis said, "because I am a bishop and I must take my leave and step down." "I am thinking of all bishops," the Pope continued. "May the Lord grant all of us the grace to be able to take our leave and step down in this way [like Paul], with that spirit, with that strength, with that love for Jesus Christ and this faith in the Holy Spirit." (Catholic News Agency, 15 May 2018; https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...lls-bishops-and-popes-when-to-step-down-83226)

He didn't mention any foreseeable plans to take his leave, although he hinted that Benedict's resignation set a precedent for future Popes. But I think Francis wants to make major changes in the Catholic Church. And that is why he is both inclusive and highly political. Besides, the Vatican is a very politicized institution. To accomplish what he wants, he would have to be there for the long haul -- at least until enough Cardinals leave that he can appoint enough who will subscribe to his agenda.

 

[CS1]

I assume you're talking about Francis.

Preaching May 15 at the Vatican’s Santa Marta Residence, the Pope noted that St. Paul, who was "compelled by the Holy Spirit" to leave Ephesus and journey to Jerusalem, "shows us the pathway for every bishop when it’s time to take his leave and step down." "When I read this, I think about myself," Pope Francis said, "because I am a bishop and I must take my leave and step down." "I am thinking of all bishops," the Pope continued. "May the Lord grant all of us the grace to be able to take our leave and step down in this way [like Paul], with that spirit, with that strength, with that love for Jesus Christ and this faith in the Holy Spirit." (Catholic News Agency, 15 May 2018; https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...lls-bishops-and-popes-when-to-step-down-83226)

He didn't mention any foreseeable plans to take his leave, although he hinted that Benedict's resignation set a precedent for future Popes. But I think Francis wants to make major changes in the Catholic Church. To accomplish this, he would have to be there for the long haul.

No sir , I'm speaking about the now Pope

 

[Jackson123]

Question:
Do you really expect a different answer from me if you ask the same question over and over again?
If you do, good luck with that.

you do not answer my specific question, you say jesuit oath create in 1883, is that mean you believe that jesuit oath is not conspiracy? Seem to me you wasn't believe there is jesuit oath, than you say jesuit oath create in 1883.

 

[Jackson123]

If Pope John Paul II wanted to believe that, it is his right as the leader of the Catholic Church.
But I do not share that belief.
And the reason for that is I'm not Catholic.
I'm Protestant (Episcopal Church of Scotland, part of the Anglican Communion).
Precisely what part of that are you having difficulty understanding?
If you let me know, I'll try to explain it using really simple words.

so you do not believe Mary able to protect pope.

Is believe that Mary able to protect pope inline with the bible? Is gospel teach Mary able to protect us?

 

[Brian_Graham]

No sir , I'm speaking about the now Pope

The now Pope?

 

[Brian_Graham]

you do not answer my specific question, you say jesuit oath create in 1883, is that mean you believe that jesuit oath is not conspiracy? Seem to me you wasn't believe there is jesuit oath, than you say jesuit oath create in 1883.

I most certainly did answer your question.
I wrote:
"Brian: There is a work registered with the Library of Congress that claims to be the Jesuit Oath. But I have proved it is a fake."

There is indeed a "Jesuit Oath" that you posted that was registered with the Library of Congress in 1883. But the "Jesuit Oath" you posted is a complete fabrication. The "Jesuit Oath" you posted from the conspiracy site is not, nor has it ever been, part of the Catholic Church. And again, I provided you with a link about the Jesuit core values. But given the nature of your question, I am equally certain you did not go to the site to learn anything -- just as you have failed to do with any of the other sites for which I provided you links.

 

[Brian_Graham]

so you do not believe Mary able to protect pope.

Is believe that Mary able to protect pope inline with the bible? Is gospel teach Mary able to protect us?

Asked and answered. Read my previous posts for that information. Search the Catholic Catechism for the teaching of the Catholic Church. I am not your research assistant.

 

[Endoscopy]

Goes again what I read, It is because they do It secretly.

Now explain to me why catholic believe wear scapula when die go to heaven?

why pray to Mary?

ROFL
They have 2 scapula!! Shoulder blades!!!

It's all a conspiracy!!!

 

[Jackson123]

I most certainly did answer your question.
I wrote:
"Brian: There is a work registered with the Library of Congress that claims to be the Jesuit Oath. But I have proved it is a fake."

There is indeed a "Jesuit Oath" that you posted that was registered with the Library of Congress in 1883. But the "Jesuit Oath" you posted is a complete fabrication. The "Jesuit Oath" you posted from the conspiracy site is not, nor has it ever been, part of the Catholic Church. And again, I provided you with a link about the Jesuit core values. But given the nature of your question, I am equally certain you did not go to the site to learn anything -- just as you have failed to do with any of the other sites for which I provided you links.

I just want to confirm why you say jesuit oath create in 1883,

it can be 2 posibility

1. You believe there is jesuit oath.

2. Like you say, It register in the us congress library in 1883

to me register in 1883, doesn't always mean create in 1883. It may create long time before posted in the us congress library.

and I believe to post in the us congress is not that easy,

for example I do not think I can post to us congress an article that say, now terorist is recommended in Arizona. I never try, but that is what I believe. I must show kind of prove. But I do not know if you believe that simple.

 

[Jackson123]

Asked and answered. Read my previous posts for that information. Search the Catholic Catechism for the teaching of the Catholic Church. I am not your research assistant.

don't you say you will answer my question as simple as possible ?

I am asking. Your opinion about Why you believe catholic follow Jesus, and you do not believe what pope believe that Mary able to protect him?

if you believe catholic follow Jesus, logically speaking you share they believe.

 

[Jackson123]

ROFL
They have 2 scapula!! Shoulder blades!!!

It's all a conspiracy!!!

I am sorry, I do not understand what you say.

so you do not believe catholic teach about scapular?

Base on this article promise that whosoever dies wear scapular shall not suffer eternal fire is found in bull of pope john XXII

i check what is papa bull

A papal bull is a type of public decree, letters patent, or charter issued by a pope of the Roman Catholic Church. It is named after the leaden seal (bulla) that was traditionally appended to the end in order to authenticate it.

so if you say it is conspiracy, than you question pope john XXII authority

It is a gift to you from your Heavenly Mother.
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“WHOSOEVER DIES IN THIS GARMENT SHALL NOT SUFFER ETERNAL FIRE.”​

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- promise of Our Lady to St. Simon Stock on July 16, 1251
Frequently asked questions about wearing the brown scapular

History
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In the year 1251, in the town of Aylesford in England, Our Lady appeared to St. Simon Stock, a Carmelite. She handed him a brown woolen scapular and said, “This shall be a privilege for you and all Carmelites, that anyone dying in this habit shall not suffer eternal fire.” In time, the Church extended this magnificent privilege to all the laity who are willing to be invested in the Brown Scapular of the Carmelites and who perpetually wear it.

Devotion
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True devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary consists in three things: VENERATION, CONFIDENCE AND LOVE. By simply wearing the Scapular, we can tell her every moment of the day that we venerate her, love her and trust in her protection.

The Scapular Is a Silent Prayer
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As Our Lord taught us to say the Our Father, Our Blessed Mother taught us the value of the scapular. When we use it as a prayer, Our Lady draws us to the Sacred Heart of Her Divine Son. It is good, therefore, to hold the scapular in the hand. A prayer offered while holding the Scapular is as perfect as a prayer can be. It is especially in time of temptation that we need the powerful intercession of God’s Mother. The evil spirit is utterly powerless when the wearer of a scapular faces temptation, calling upon the Holy Virgin in this silent devotion. “If you had recommended yourself to me, you would not have run into such danger,” was Our Lady’s gentle reproach to Blessed Alan de la Roche, one of her devoted servants.

Enrollment in the Confraternity
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To be eligible for the scapular promise, one must be enrolled in the Brown Scapular Confraternity. This is a simple ceremony which can be performed by any priest (see below). The members of the Confraternity have the added benefit of sharing in all the spiritual benefits of the Carmelite Order.
According to a statement made by the Carmelite Fathers at the National Scapular Center, every priest now has the right to invest the faithful in the Brown Scapular and to substitute the rosary in lieu of the Little Office (see below).
The scapular must be 100% wool without plastic casing and should not be pinned or affixed to clothing. It is worn over the head, under one’s clothes, with one square of wool hanging on the chest and the other on the back. Pictures are not necessary.

The Sabbatine Privilege
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The Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel has promised to save those who wear the scapular from the fires of hell; She will also shorten their stay in purgatory if they should pass from this world still owing some debt of punishment.
This promise is found in a Bull of Pope John XXII. The Blessed Virgin appeared to him and, speaking of those who wear the Brown Scapular, said, “I, the Mother of Grace, shall descend on the Saturday after their death and whomsoever I shall find in purgatory I shall free so that I may lead them to the holy mountain of life everlasting.”
The Blessed Virgin assigned certain conditions which must be fulfilled:

1. Wear the Brown Scapular continuously.
2. Observe chastity according to one’s state in life (married/single).
3. Recite daily the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin OR Observe the fasts of the Church together with abstaining from meat on Wednesdays and Saturdays OR With permission of a priest, say five decades of Our Lady’s Most Holy Rosary OR With permission of a priest, substitute some other good work.
   

Pope Benedict XV, the celebrated World War I Pontiff, granted 500 days indulgence for devoutly kissing your scapular.

 

[Jackson123]

I am sorry, I do not understand what you say.

so you do not believe catholic teach about scapular?

Base on this article promise that whosoever dies wear scapular shall not suffer eternal fire is found in bull of pope john XXII

i check what is papa bull

A papal bull is a type of public decree, letters patent, or charter issued by a pope of the Roman Catholic Church. It is named after the leaden seal (bulla) that was traditionally appended to the end in order to authenticate it.

so if you say it is conspiracy, than you question pope john XXII authority

It is a gift to you from your Heavenly Mother.
​

“WHOSOEVER DIES IN THIS GARMENT SHALL NOT SUFFER ETERNAL FIRE.”​

.

- promise of Our Lady to St. Simon Stock on July 16, 1251
Frequently asked questions about wearing the brown scapular

History
​

In the year 1251, in the town of Aylesford in England, Our Lady appeared to St. Simon Stock, a Carmelite. She handed him a brown woolen scapular and said, “This shall be a privilege for you and all Carmelites, that anyone dying in this habit shall not suffer eternal fire.” In time, the Church extended this magnificent privilege to all the laity who are willing to be invested in the Brown Scapular of the Carmelites and who perpetually wear it.

Devotion
​

True devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary consists in three things: VENERATION, CONFIDENCE AND LOVE. By simply wearing the Scapular, we can tell her every moment of the day that we venerate her, love her and trust in her protection.

The Scapular Is a Silent Prayer
​

As Our Lord taught us to say the Our Father, Our Blessed Mother taught us the value of the scapular. When we use it as a prayer, Our Lady draws us to the Sacred Heart of Her Divine Son. It is good, therefore, to hold the scapular in the hand. A prayer offered while holding the Scapular is as perfect as a prayer can be. It is especially in time of temptation that we need the powerful intercession of God’s Mother. The evil spirit is utterly powerless when the wearer of a scapular faces temptation, calling upon the Holy Virgin in this silent devotion. “If you had recommended yourself to me, you would not have run into such danger,” was Our Lady’s gentle reproach to Blessed Alan de la Roche, one of her devoted servants.

Enrollment in the Confraternity
​

To be eligible for the scapular promise, one must be enrolled in the Brown Scapular Confraternity. This is a simple ceremony which can be performed by any priest (see below). The members of the Confraternity have the added benefit of sharing in all the spiritual benefits of the Carmelite Order.
According to a statement made by the Carmelite Fathers at the National Scapular Center, every priest now has the right to invest the faithful in the Brown Scapular and to substitute the rosary in lieu of the Little Office (see below).
The scapular must be 100% wool without plastic casing and should not be pinned or affixed to clothing. It is worn over the head, under one’s clothes, with one square of wool hanging on the chest and the other on the back. Pictures are not necessary.

The Sabbatine Privilege
​

The Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel has promised to save those who wear the scapular from the fires of hell; She will also shorten their stay in purgatory if they should pass from this world still owing some debt of punishment.
This promise is found in a Bull of Pope John XXII. The Blessed Virgin appeared to him and, speaking of those who wear the Brown Scapular, said, “I, the Mother of Grace, shall descend on the Saturday after their death and whomsoever I shall find in purgatory I shall free so that I may lead them to the holy mountain of life everlasting.”
The Blessed Virgin assigned certain conditions which must be fulfilled:

1. Wear the Brown Scapular continuously.
2. Observe chastity according to one’s state in life (married/single).
3. Recite daily the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin OR Observe the fasts of the Church together with abstaining from meat on Wednesdays and Saturdays OR With permission of a priest, say five decades of Our Lady’s Most Holy Rosary OR With permission of a priest, substitute some other good work.
   

Pope Benedict XV, the celebrated World War I Pontiff, granted 500 days indulgence for devoutly kissing your scapular.

catholic teaching is not only from cathecism, but also from papa bull. Because pope is representative of Jesus on earth, so His teaching represent Jesus teaching.

pope Benedict XV granted
500 days indulgence for kissing scapular. I do not know if it mean every time you kiss scapular get 500 days discount in purgatory, or only one time.

if every kissing get 500 days discount, you better kiss millions time a day, make vibrator with 10000 rpm mean every minute you kiss her 10000 time.

 

[Brian_Graham]

don't you say you will answer my question as simple as possible ?

I am asking. Your opinion about Why you believe catholic follow Jesus,

Because Catholics are Christians, whether you want to accept it or not.
And that is why I keep urging you to review the Catholic Catechism so you can see for yourself what that church teaches about Jesus rather than relying on anti-Catholic web sites to tell you what they think the Catholic Church teaches and how they perceive it.

and you do not believe what pope believe that Mary able to protect him?

I accept that in the Catholic Church, they acknowledge that the Pope is infallible in all matters of Catholic doctrine.
But because I am not Catholic, the Pope is not infallible on matters of Protestant doctrine.
In fact, he has no influence whatsoever on my beliefs. That is due to the Protestant Reformation.

if you believe catholic follow Jesus, logically speaking you share they believe.

I share their belief, as fellow Christians, that Jesus is our Saviour. But that does not mean I share ALL their beliefs.
Think of it as two overlapping circles. The small overlap shows the shared beliefs, but the two larger parts of the circles that do not overlap show the beliefs that are not shared.

I think I've figured out part of the cause for your constant state of confusion.
You wonder how a Protestant can defend the Catholic Church.
But you seem to forget that I am not defending its beliefs.

Think of me as a lawyer in a hostile court that has already convicted the client before a trial.
Under the law, every defendant is entitled to a vigorous defence.
And that lawyer must not allow false evidence to be used to gain a conviction of the defendant -- in this case, the Catholic Church.

I am merely pointing out what its official beliefs and teachings are, according to the Catholic Catechism, which comprises its official doctrinal teachings. And I do that to counter the lies, half-truths, misperceptions, and spin put forward about the Catholic Church by people whose sole purpose in life appears to be getting a hate-on for the Catholic Church rather than devoting greater effort in their own lives to following the path set out for us by Jesus.

That type of person I describe as someone who believes they must assassinate the character of others or put down their belief system so they can feel better about themselves or convince themselves that their belief system is better than all others.

 

[Brian_Graham]

I believe to post in the us congress is not that easy,

for example I do not think I can post to us congress an article that say, now terorist is recommended in Arizona. I never try, but that is what I believe. I must show kind of prove. But I do not know if you believe that simple.

That's why I provided you links with detailed instructions on how to register a copyright with the Library of Congress.
If you had followed the links (like that would ever happen), you'd see precisely how easy it is.
And as long as you pay the required fees, it really is that simple.
Remember, the government is always all about money.

 

[Jackson123]

I think I've figured out part of the cause for your constant state of confusion.
You wonder how a Protestant can defend the Catholic Church.
But you seem to forget that I am not defending its beliefs.

Think of me as a lawyer in a hostile court that has already convicted the client before a trial.
Under the law, every defendant is entitled to a vigorous defence.
And that lawyer must not allow false evidence to be used to gain a conviction of the defendant -- in this case, the Catholic Church.

I am merely pointing out what its official beliefs and teachings are, according to the Catholic Catechism, which comprises its official doctrinal teachings. And I do that to counter the lies, half-truths, misperceptions, and spin put forward about the Catholic Church by people whose sole purpose in life appears to be getting a hate-on for the Catholic Church rather than devoting greater effort in their own lives to following the path set out for us by Jesus.

That type of person I describe as someone who believes they must assassinate the character of others or put down their belief system so they can feel better about themselves or convince themselves that their belief system is better than all others.

to my knowledge, catholic teaching is not only from catechism, how about papabull.

also the fact that they believe pope is infallible in moral and teaching mean when pope believe Mary able to protect him, it consider as the truth. I am not a lawyer that try to only gain conviction, I am a Christian try to identify is catholic teaching base on the Bible, I am worry if any want to follow the Bible, but follow catholic because think she teach the Bible. If one want to follow Catholic no matter what, than it is up to them.

It it is not hatred, it is love. If one see a blind walk toward ravine, because of love, one must tell him that the direction he on is wrong and endanger his life. Hatred person will defend him with sof language and say, you on the right track honey.

And happy to see him die.

 

[Jackson123]

That's why I provided you links with detailed instructions on how to register a copyright with the Library of Congress.
If you had followed the links (like that would ever happen), you'd see precisely how easy it is.
And as long as you pay the required fees, it really is that simple.
Remember, the government is always all about money.

I don't consider it that easy, government is about money, but they have pride. They do not want people think, they are stupid. Let me repeat my example, say I will post a lie, start in January 1, 2018, the state of Arizona will kill every Christian.

You can predict what will happen don't you, they may send me to physiatrists

how this congress library permit a person to post an oath that is so brutal, killing a pregnant protestant woman take out the infant from her womb and smash it head to the wall. I do not know about you brother, to me it is unimaginable.

 

[Brian_Graham]

how this congress library permit a person to post an oath that is so brutal, killing a pregnant protestant woman take out the infant from her womb and smash it head to the wall. I do not know about you brother, to me it is unimaginable.

Anything written or on film or in music or in art or in video can be registered for a copyright. And it is.
It matters not whether you like it. It is protected under the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Please read Psalm 137:9, and then repeat the last five words of your post.

 

[Musicus]

I don't consider it that easy, government is about money, but they have pride. They do not want people think, they are stupid. Let me repeat my example, say I will post a lie, start in January 1, 2018, the state of Arizona will kill every Christian.

You can predict what will happen don't you, they may send me to physiatrists

how this congress library permit a person to post an oath that is so brutal, killing a pregnant protestant woman take out the infant from her womb and smash it head to the wall. I do not know about you brother, to me it is unimaginable.

Yes, you may copyright such a statement as an original literary work at the US Library of Congress. There are almost no restrictions on content. But when you say "post", it sounds like you mean "publish". Filing for a copyright is not publishing, even though the work is available to the public for review.

Publishing such a statement, on the other hand, could get you in a lot of trouble.

 

[Jackson123]

Anything written or on film or in music or in art or in video can be registered for a copyright. And it is.
It matters not whether you like it. It is protected under the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Please read Psalm 137:9, and then repeat the last five words of your post.

to pst a film or movie as long as it say this is s movie, it is understandable, but to lie and fabricate an outh without present evident, like on my example, I do not think so.

 

[Jackson123]

Yes, you may copyright such a statement as an original literary work at the US Library of Congress. There are almost no restrictions on content. But when you say "post", it sounds like you mean "publish". Filing for a copyright is not publishing, even though the work is available to the public for review.

Publishing such a statement, on the other hand, could get you in a lot of trouble.

that what I think brother, let say people can't sue congress lib, they can sue me.