Is satan a fallen angel?

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Indeed. Satan is such a pathetically weak animal that really he only has one inherent power, which the power of the lie. So one can see the wisdom in James' words when he says to resist the Devil. If you resist his lies, just like our Lord Jesus, he cannot really do anything to you.
The devil can oppress or possess .. Do you believe some folks are demon possessed ?
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
 
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The devil can oppress or possess .. Do you believe some folks are demon possessed ?
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Yes, of course.
 
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That verse is not about Satan. That verse is about the King of Tyre as indicated by verse 12. Tyre was an ancient very famous and a very wealthy city in the ancient world. It would be in what is today presently Lebanon, so very close to Israel. The Bible and other historical records indicate the Tyrians were mostly merchants made very wealthy mostly for their product known as Tyrian Purple, a very very rare dye in the ancient world favored by the nobility of many different kingdoms. The Tyrians were racially Canaanites, specifically of the course of Sidon (son of Canaan, and also a city-state in its own right later on.) Sidon is also mentioned in this prophecy by Ezekiel in this chapter and the next few chapters.

The ultimate fate of Tyre was that the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, destroyed the land settlement of Tyre, but the Tyrians created a Tyre in the middle of the sea which escaped destruction (this is both in secular history as well as a prophecy the biblical book of Zechariah). In accordance to the prophecies, the Tyre in the sea would not escape destruction and the third beast king Alexander would eventually build a causeway to the Tyre in the sea and ultimately destroy it.
This is Satan , The only Two people that was in the Garden of GOD was Adam & Eve . He was perfect when He was Created , A kink is NOT perfect, Unless, IT is the KING JESUS, He is A anointed cherub, that covereth:
 
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This is Satan , The only Two people that was in the Garden of GOD was Adam & Eve . He was perfect when He was Created , A kink is NOT perfect, Unless, IT is the KING JESUS, He is A anointed cherub, that covereth:
Satan is not a cherub, Satan is an animal. This is why Ezekiel addresses the King of Tyre and not Satan.
 

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Indeed. Satan is such a pathetically weak animal that really he only has one inherent power, which the power of the lie. So one can see the wisdom in James' words when he says to resist the Devil. If you resist his lies, just like our Lord Jesus, he cannot really do anything to you.
So you have an animal masquerading as an angel of light.

And an animal in charge of angels. (As described by Jesus)
Mathew 25:41 (NKJV) “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

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Satan is not a cherub, Satan is an animal. This is why Ezekiel addresses the King of Tyre and not Satan.
You're demonstrating a severe lack of understanding regarding prophecy. Types and shadows, near and far fulfilment. Patterns & character revelation. And the revelation of the will of The Lord God. The Prophets of YHVH were not mere fortune-tellers.
 
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So you have an animal masquerading as an angel of light.

And an animal in charge of angels. (As described by Jesus)
Mathew 25:41 (NKJV) “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Correct. After all if the dragon really was an angel of light there'd be no need to masquerade.

The dragon and the angels that fall for his lies will indeed be sent to the lake of fire. I suppose this is why he will be full of wrath when he is cast down to earth, because he will know he doesn't have much time left until he meets his destiny.

Revelation 12:7-12

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
 
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You're demonstrating a severe lack of understanding regarding prophecy. Types and shadows, near and far fulfilment. Patterns & character revelation. And the revelation of the will of The Lord God. The Prophets of YHVH were not mere fortune-tellers.
All fortune tellers are liars. If I ever call the prophets of God fortune tellers may your hand be the first upon me to put me to death.
 
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That verse is not about Satan. That verse is about the King of Tyre as indicated by verse 12. Tyre was an ancient very famous and a very wealthy city in the ancient world. It would be in what is today presently Lebanon, so very close to Israel. The Bible and other historical records indicate the Tyrians were mostly merchants made very wealthy mostly for their product known as Tyrian Purple, a very very rare dye in the ancient world favored by the nobility of many different kingdoms. The Tyrians were racially Canaanites, specifically of the course of Sidon (son of Canaan, and also a city-state in its own right later on.) Sidon is also mentioned in this prophecy by Ezekiel in this chapter and the next few chapters.

The ultimate fate of Tyre was that the king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, destroyed the land settlement of Tyre, but the Tyrians created a Tyre in the middle of the sea which escaped destruction (this is both in secular history as well as a prophecy the biblical book of Zechariah). In accordance to the prophecies, the Tyre in the sea would not escape destruction and the third beast king Alexander would eventually build a causeway to the Tyre in the sea and ultimately destroy it.
I can't believe that people read about Satan here Eze 28 and say it isn't Satan , There is much here that show us this is Satan, For one , Adam & Eve , was the only two flashed Humans that was in the garden of GOD, 2 Strong's # 3742 cherub , A class of supernatural beings that serve in the presence of GOD; And a lot more , GOD bless as HE sees fit
 
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I can't believe that people read about Satan here Eze 28 and say it isn't Satan , There is much here that show us this is Satan, For one , Adam & Eve , was the only two flashed Humans that was in the garden of GOD, 2 Strong's # 3742 cherub , A class of supernatural beings that serve in the presence of GOD; And a lot more , GOD bless as HE sees fit
Probably because Ezekiel 28 is not addressed to Satan, but is rather addressed to the prince of Tyre, the king of Tyre, and Sidon. In much the same language Ezekiel 31 says the king of Assyria and Pharaoh of Egypt are trees in Eden.

Ezekiel 31:18

18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God.
 

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How such posts as these get posted to begin with is amazing....the answer as stated before is in Ezekiel and we know that there are inserted things in scripture....why at this point all Christians don't know this is that Ezekiel like many books of the Bible are not read much....so now the truth is being lost and who the devil is...is lost even on Christian chat sites....we know that Satan was the first fallen angel of the 3rd that fell total thru him...if people read the whole Bible 50 times and did it...this post would never have been made....it was made because people don't know the Bible...and this is a Christian site...and if Satan...who he is is not known by so many just imagine what is not know in the Bible here....
 
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How such posts as these get posted to begin with is amazing....the answer as stated before is in Ezekiel and we know that there are inserted things in scripture....why at this point all Christians don't know this is that Ezekiel like many books of the Bible are not read much....so now the truth is being lost and who the devil is...is lost even on Christian chat sites....we know that Satan was the first fallen angel of the 3rd that fell total thru him...if people read the whole Bible 50 times and did it...this post would never have been made....it was made because people don't know the Bible...and this is a Christian site...and if Satan...who he is is not known by so many just imagine what is not know in the Bible here....
Incorrect. Satan is never called an angel fallen or otherwise. The first round of fallen angels are described in Genesis 6, and as related in Jude these are reserved unto the end in chains of darkness.

I do agree, I think not many people have read the entire Bible, otherwise they could not fall for such a flimsy pop culture heresy that literally has no biblical basis as to say Satan, that old lying dragon, is a beautiful little angel full of light. I have read the entirety of the Bible from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22 three times. I have read the book of Ezekiel numerous times, it is one of my favorites of the Old Testament, maybe not 50 times, but probably somewhere between 30-40 times.
 
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I'm sure it won't come to that.
They are working for Satan . And GOD tells us not to have nothing to do with THEM .
Trying to Us a witch was one of the reasons GOD says HE kill Saul, He was not talking to Samuel, He was talking to Satan OR a Devil,
If you think he was talking to Samuel, You need to read Ecclesiastes 9:4-10, The dead have no knowledge of anything , No love, No hatred, no envy, And can't talk, It is Satan that talks to people that think that you can talk to the Dead, To deceive them , He wants them to think that they don't really die, like GOD says they do, He wants them to believe that they have a spirit that has Eternal life, That HE can make GOD look like a lier, And Satan is the lier, that is deceiving GODs people,
GOD bless as HE sees fit
 
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Satan is not a cherub, Satan is an animal. This is why Ezekiel addresses the King of Tyre and not Satan.
You are very wrong Very , very WRONG, If you can't see that this Satan , May GOD open your eyes, And LOOK up cherub in the Strong's # 3742 , Read who was in the Garden of GOD , Adam & Eve, Satan ,& JESUS,GOD, That's All, No one else, No King, But JESUS GOD bless as HE sees fit
 

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Probably because Ezekiel 28 is not addressed to Satan, but is rather addressed to the prince of Tyre, the king of Tyre, and Sidon. In much the same language Ezekiel 31 says the king of Assyria and Pharaoh of Egypt are trees in Eden.

Ezekiel 31:18

18 To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord God.
They are working for Satan . And GOD tells us not to have nothing to do with THEM .
Trying to Us a witch was one of the reasons GOD says HE kill Saul, He was not talking to Samuel, He was talking to Satan OR a Devil,
If you think he was talking to Samuel, You need to read Ecclesiastes 9:4-10, The dead have no knowledge of anything , No love, No hatred, no envy, And can't talk, It is Satan that talks to people that think that you can talk to the Dead, To deceive them , He wants them to think that they don't really die, like GOD says they do, He wants them to believe that they have a spirit that has Eternal life, That HE can make GOD look like a lier, And Satan is the lier, that is deceiving GODs people,
GOD bless as HE sees fit
I fail to understand why you are addressing me with this tirade.
 
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You are very wrong Very , very WRONG, If you can't see that this Satan , May GOD open your eyes, And LOOK up cherub in the Strong's # 3742 , Read who was in the Garden of GOD , Adam & Eve, Satan ,& JESUS,GOD, That's All, No one else, No King, But JESUS GOD bless as HE sees fit
Yes, God opened my eyes and showed me that it is plainly written in Genesis 3 in the incident about the Garden that Satan is indeed no angel, but is rather a serpent, a beast of the field, an animal. The little heresy about Satan being an angel that fell before the fall turns that narrative upside down and makes it no effect, as do all the traditions of men. We must believe what God had his holy writers actually write, and not in the traditions of dead men.
 
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Yes, God opened my eyes and showed me that it is plainly written in Genesis 3 in the incident about the Garden that Satan is indeed no angel, but is rather a serpent, a beast of the field, an animal. The little heresy about Satan being an angel that fell before the fall turns that narrative upside down and makes it no effect, as do all the traditions of men. We must believe what God had his holy writers actually write, and not in the traditions of dead men.
READ Revelation 12:7-9 Tells us that the OLD serpent, is called the Devil , and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him, Which was 1/3 of the angel that was in Heaven. You are wrong and the BIBLE tells you are wrong, Satan don't want us to know who he is, It makes it a lot easer for him to deceive us,
GOD help as HE sees fit
 
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READ Revelation 12:7-9 Tells us that the OLD serpent, is called the Devil , and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him, Which was 1/3 of the angel that was in Heaven. You are wrong and the BIBLE tells you are wrong, Satan don't want us to know who he is, It makes it a lot easer for him to deceive us,
GOD help as HE sees fit
Correct, Revelation also says Satan is a serpent and a dragon, which is an animal. It also says he is called Satan and Devil.

Where you are incorrect, and I am starting notice this with a fair amount of the people that think Satan is a darling little angel of light, is you think that the trumpet of woe has all ready happened, but this is not so. This will happened towards the end for it is part of the Apocalypse prophecies. If continue to read Revelation 12 you will notice it says that the dragon called Satan and Devil when he is cast to the earth and the third of the angels which side with him, that he will begin to persecute sorely the believers that have the testimony of Jesus Christ. We know that the testimony of Jesus Christ did not come until Lord Jesus was crucified and resurrected and ascended up to the right hand of God in all glory.

Yes of course Satan and his children will never tell you what he really is, they want you to think he is a beautiful angel of light because they have been deceived either by the devil or the traditions of their wicked fathers who were deceived by him. However the Lord God is a God of Truth, you can trust the Lord God to tell you the truth about the Liar.