IS SMOKING A SIN WORTHY OF DISFELLOWSHIPMENT?

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WHICH OPTION BEST REFLECTS YOUR POSITION ON WHETHER SMOKING IS A SIN?

  • Smoking is a sin, and unrepentant smokers should be disfellowshipped

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Smoking is a sin, but unrepentant smokers should not be disfellowshipped

    Votes: 20 48.8%
  • Smoking is not a sin

    Votes: 21 51.2%

  • Total voters
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Infusion

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Thanks for confirming.

This is what I thought.

It was discovered back in the 80's, I think, when all the suits were going on and it was discovered that tabacco companies did this on purpose.

What humans can do to themselves...
I been smoking organic tobacco a long time and I can outrun anybody I know.
 
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yes, and if i might give an example:


I demur altogether and most positively to the statement that to smoke tobacco is in itself a sin. It may become so, as any other indifferent action may, but as an action it is no sin.

Together with hundreds of thousands of my fellow-Christians I have smoked, and, with them, I am under the condemnation of living in habitual sin, if certain accusers are to be believed. As I would not knowingly live even in the smallest violation of the law of God, and sin in the transgression of the law, I will not own to sin when I am not conscious of it.

There is growing up in society a Pharisaic system which adds to the commands of God the precepts of men; to that system I will not yield for an hour. The preservation of my liberty may bring upon me the upbraidings of many good men, and the sneers of the self-righteous; but I shall endure both with serenity so long as I feel clear in my conscience before God.


- Charles Spurgeon



((perhaps you've heard of him))
I loved the post till I got to the signature.

Gosh. I was kind of hoping YOU spoke like that.
It would be nice...
 

posthuman

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it seems to me,

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all things are lawful for me, but not all things are wise' & everything made by God is good if it is received with thankfulness.

so that this is a question of prudence or foolishness, and if anyone thinks they should disfellowship with everyone who does or says foolish things, that person should seal themselves in a room by themselves for the rest of their lives, and certainly not bring a mirror into that cell with them, lest they fellowship with their own selves either!
 
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Meggido was speaking of those in ministry. Not those who are under ministry. There should be a difference for positions in the Kingdom...and maturity should be accomplished before entering a position.

Those who are captured by a spirit...condemnation will not release one. And nicotine does have a spirit attached. I know this for a fact by an experience I had while sitting in church going through the worship music.

I heard footsteps behind me, and this "person" went by me with a strong smell of tobacco. I thought it was a person I knew who smoked, but when I looked up...no one there.
I was in a spirit filled church and a guy screamed devils of addiction come out of him and my body popped and i didnt smoke ciggs after that. But organic tobacco is not addicting. There is constant scientific research against it for ages and there has never been any proof that organic tobacco is addicting or causes any ailments. Its just hard to understand because all we know is the devils lie version of it. Like alot of things...
 

posthuman

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I loved the post till I got to the signature.

Gosh. I was kind of hoping YOU spoke like that.
It would be nice...

bwahahaha maybe i wish i spoke like this too ;)


 
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Judgement goes against Christianity, smoking does not. I think its the other way around. Church is a house of Christianity. Not a house of judgement. As a matter in fact judgement and locking people away is satanic if you want to get to the root of it.
 
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tourist

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Smoking in and of itself is not a sin, however addiction is idolatry, which is obviously sinful.
It should at least be dealt with by not permitting it on church property.
I believe that addiction is a disease and not idolatry. The church is comprised in those that believe in God and have been called out of the world and is not a property. Let's have each church member take a lie detector test before entering the guarded gates of the property to see if they had sinned that week or not. Green light means that no sin was committed and they are permitted access, red light means that sin has been committed and they are refused entry. A lot of the members that smoke will probably get a green light, some of the other non-smoking member may get a green light also, provided they have not behaved in an arrogant manor by their holy than thou attitude. In that case a red light will shine. That's a no-go.
 
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bwahahaha maybe i wish i spoke like this too ;)


Oh yeah. And who would be able to engage in conversation with you???!!!

Hey. Nobody explained what "defellowshipping" is.

I figured it out, but it's SICK.
I didn't know this existed.

We're supposed to help each other,
not banish those we don't agree with !
 
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Hey Fran....what does the word nothing mean?

And most people are smart enough to not eat poisonous spiders, poop or inject themselves with poison from a black mamba.....

Dcon,

I can understand some of your beliefs even if I don't agree with them....
However, how could you NOT understand what Stephen63 is getting at???

The verse could be taken to make ANYTHING be acceptable to the human body.
Not everything is good for us.
Jesus could not make a long list of things that should be avoided for FUTURE USE.

This makes common sense.
So IF Jesus didn't mention it, it's OK to do?

So what He DID mention, you give no importance to....
And what He DIDN'T mention, you give importance to...

How do you figure that???
 
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Oh yeah. And who would be able to engage in conversation with you???!!!

Hey. Nobody explained what "defellowshipping" is.

I figured it out, but it's SICK.
I didn't know this existed.

We're supposed to help each other,
not banish those we don't agree with !
yes and i just remembered the true hebrews had tobacco and the lord helped them tear down castle walls and part oceans.
 
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I dont think its fair to compare smoking to eating poop tho lol.
 

posthuman

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Oh yeah. And who would be able to engage in conversation with you???!!!
((more 'hahahahas' and smiling over here))

great point

have you seen my reply rate whenever i post a bunch of math?

;)
 
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Scientists say second hand smoke is worse for you than actual smoking. If that is the case you should all start smoking because its better for you than not smoking. But seriously yea its gonna be bad for you so are cheetohs but it doesnt really matter. Judging people is bad for you on a eternal level and that does matter.
 
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Hey Fran....what does the word nothing mean?

And most people are smart enough to not eat poisonous spiders, poop or inject themselves with poison from a black mamba.....
I'm sorry Dcon.
I don't understand your reply...
 
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We all knew it would not take long for a religious Pharisee(ical) lawyer to come along and begin to bind......and the word NOTHING means exactly that.....people like you close heaven up to those entering by your religious pretext and Pharisee type attitude!

I myself would not refuse smokers in church. Everyone needs deliverance from something, & that's what the church is for.

The only people that should be dismissed are those who have properly been counseled with their issue, such as gossip, hatred, adultery, etc., & they refuse to repent.

See what dcon said? I haven't said anything to him today, yet there's that attitude again as if I cussed him or something.

I would not refuse him in church for his attitude, as long as he kept it to himself. There's always hope.....

I understand..... it took a great deal of self-restraint not to answer him the way I wanted to.

I hope I'm able to do the same thing tomorrow, because I have learned an important lesson about apologizing & reneging on a promise. I've discovered thru this reneging I need to rise above that myself.

Please pray for me that I won't fail on mine.:)
 

stonesoffire

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I'll just stick to coffee...no one is taking my caffeine...grrr...
 
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I dont think its fair to compare smoking to eating poop tho lol.
Fully agree and why I responded the way I did above.....regardless.....wine, tobacco, poop or rat poison the point is still the same....NOTHING ingested by MEN will DEFILE a man before GOD spiritually.....not saying it wont KILL you or eve make yo sick....the word NOTHING used in context means NOTHING.....
 
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Yea I am not saying its good and kiddies go smoke ciggs. I wish I never started smoking. But kicking somebody out of a church is just so wild to me I wanted to come here to see if anybody actually agreed.
 

stonesoffire

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Not his/her spirit DCon...but the body and soul? Maybe