Is the Devil bound right now...?

abcdef · May 8, 2016

Brother Ahwatukee,

A small, good example of Jesus in in His glory would be at Mt Sinai.

But at His appearing His glory will be, well, I really can't find the words to describe it.

And you do remember that the mystery of God is finished at the 7th trumpet, Rev 10:7.

No one can see His face in His glory and live.

Ahwatukee · May 8, 2016

abcdef said:

No, everyone on the planet does not die from seeing his face. Those who will have worshiped the beast, his image and received his mark, will be gathered for Armageddon and will be killed with that double-edged sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth, which is symbolic for the word of God (Eph.6:17 & Heb.4:12). Then those birds that the angel will have gathered together in Rev.19:17, will gorge themselves on their flesh.

Furthermore, those great tribulation saints who make it through alive, i.e. still in their mortal bodies, will be brought to Christ for judgment and the will his face. Therefore, seeing the Lord's face will not kill anyone.

abcdef · May 8, 2016

Brother Awatukee, Post 2082,

Hey! Don't go symbolic on me now!

The double edged sword is symbolic of the Word of God?

They are "killed" with the sword?

Aren't we talking about becoming a Christian now?

Isn't this a picture of The Gospel fighting against Rome (the Beast nation)? Victory by conversion. (consume, Dan 2:44)

Ahwatukee · May 8, 2016

abcdef said:

Jesus will be returning to the earth in the same resurrected body that he ascended to heaven in. The mystery of God will be finished after the 7th bowl has been poured out. The reference to "The Mystery of God is finished" is because following the 7th trumpet, the 7 bowl judgments which come after, will complete God's wrath and the revealing of Jesus. If you will notice, there is a similar statement at Rev.12:10

"Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Messiah."

After the 7th trumpet comes the seven bowl judgments. After the 7th bowl is poured out a voice from the altar says "It is done." After the 6th bowl is poured out, Jesus interjects saying, "Look, I come like a thief" which would demonstrate that he hasn't returned by the 6th bowl and not until after the 7th bowl.

No one can see the Father's face and live. But Jesus in his resurrected body, everyone can see him and live. Remember, these are two individual persons, one God.

abcdef · May 8, 2016

Brother Awatukee, Post 2082,

Hey! Don't go symbolic on me now!

The double edged sword is symbolic of the Word of God?

They are "killed" with the sword?

Aren't we talking about becoming a Christian now?

Isn't this a picture of The Gospel fighting against Rome (the Beast nation)? Victory by conversion. (consume, Dan 2:44)

mpaper345 · May 8, 2016

The devil is not bound right now,for if he was then there would be peace among people,and also since mankind has a choice between good,and evil,because of Adam,and Eve,eating from the tree of the knowledge of good,and evil,then the devil will not be bound,until mankind does not have that choice,between good,and evil,which is when Jesus takes over the world,and rules with a rod of iron.

The Bible says that Satan is the prince of the power of the air,and he walks to and fro,through the earth,seeking whom he can devour.

As long as mankind has a choice,and still rule kingdoms on earth,the devil will not be bound.

The world will fight against Israel,in which Jesus will save them,and when Jesus takes over the world,and the devil is bound for 1000 years,this is what happens.

Jesus,and the saints will rule over one sixth of the people,that fought against Israel,that God spared.

In that day there will be one LORD,and His name one,which people will only recognize Jesus as God,and the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD.

The people that God spared,have to go up year,after year,to Jerusalem,to worship the LORD.

The people that God spared will live in peace,and not wage war,and animals will eat vegetation,and animals will live in peace,with other animals,and with people,to where a child can lead the most ferocious animal on the planet that exists today.

This is what happens when the devil is bound,for the Bible says he is not deceiving the nations,so when the devil is not influencing the nations,there is peace,which we have not seen these accounts in the past,nor could we,for he has not been bound yet,for if he were there would be peace.

The people that God spared that fought against Israel,still have punishment coming,for they took the mark,which there is no repentance after that,but God spared them so Jesus,and the saints,could rule over them.

So they still have punishment coming,but God postponed it,and at the end of the 1000 years,the devil is loosed from the bottomless pit,and stirs them up to go against Jesus,and the saints,and when they do,God rains fire down on them,and consumes them.

So when the devil is bound,there is peace,which we have not seen that yet,and that is why the people are stirred up to go against Jesus,and the saints,because the devil is loosed,and stirs them up.

So that must be the purpose of the devil being bound for 1000 years,instead of going to the lake of fire during that time,to stir up the people that Jesus,and the saints,rule over,so they will go against Jesus,and the saints,and then God can pour out His punishment upon them,for talking the mark of the beast,and following the beast.

When the devil is bound,there is peace,people do not wage war with each other,so the devil has not been bound yet,for people have been waging war all through history,and if they were not for a time,it would by chance,because they do like to war,and it was not for 1000 years period that they did not war.

Ahwatukee · May 8, 2016

abcdef said:

"In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. "

"These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword."

"Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth"

"In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

"I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:"

"The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

The double-edged sword is symbolic for the word of God which Christ will speak killing all of those people there at Armageddon. By the way John, I read the book of Revelation at face value until a symbolic interpretation is obvious. I never said that there was nothing symbolic in the book of Revelation.

"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever"

This is a picture of Jesus destroying those human kingdoms and setting up His millennial kingdom. It has nothing specifically to do with Rome, but the entire earth and all of its governments.

abcdef · May 8, 2016

Brother Ahwatukee,

1. The mystery of God ends at the 7th trumpet, not at the 7th vial, Rev 10:7. yes/no
Will you stand corrected?

2. The wrath of God is done, 7th vial, Rev 16. What is the literal meaning of this verse?
But you say, There is more wrath to come.
Is it literal or not?

Ahwatukee · May 8, 2016

No, I do not stand corrected. Anyone studying the book of Revelation can see that after the 7th trumpet, there are seven bowl judgments to follow. It is not until after the 7th bowl has been poured out that the voice from the temple says, "It is done." Obviously there is more wrath to come after the 7th trumpet, because it is announced:

"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed."

abcdef · May 8, 2016

Brother Ahwatukee,

Rev 10:7, "But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

1.Now you say that it is not finished when the seventh angel begins to sound? You say that it says that it is finished at the seventh vial? Where does it say that?

2. So the end of the wrath of God in Rev 16, is symbolic then?

Ahwatukee · May 8, 2016

Because after the 7th angel blows his trumpet, the seven bowl judgments follow which ends the mystery of God. The end does not take place right at the announcement, but is announcing that after 7th trumpet is blow the seven bowls complete God's wrath, which is why after 7th bowl is poured out the voice from the temples says, "It is done!" The 7th trumpet is just announcing the completion of God's wrath which is fulfilled by the last plagues, the seven bowl judgments. Ask yourself this question, "If the mystery of God is complete at the sounding of the 7th trumpet, how is it that there are still seven bowl judgments listed after that?"

peping · May 8, 2016

In Isaiah 28:13 it says the word was ..precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little. May I the paint a picture then. GOD seemed created the angels first since they shouted for joy when the earth was created (Job 38:7). Also it seemed to me that the earth was created for the angels. Third of them inhabited the earth with Lucifer reigning and ruling the earth (Ezek 28:13-18; Lk 4:5-6). When Lucifer and the third of the angels staged a rebellion against GOD (Isaiah 14:13-15) Lucifer and the third of the angels were thrown back to earth (Rev 12:7-17). GOD created man to replace Satan or Lucifer from reigning and ruling the world, hence, when man was created GOD gave him dominion and subdue the earth (Gen 1:26-28). Satan cannot accept it. Since he is opposed to GOD, he seeks to frustrate and overthrow the purposes of GOD's plan and alienate all people from GOD. He tempted Adam and Eve. Then GOD chose the Israelites but he made them fail their Covenant with GOD. And he tempted JESUS but JESUS triumphed over him. Before HIS death HE established the NEW COVENANT, a new agreement to destroy the works of the devil (1Jn 3:7-10; Heb 2:14-15; Jn 12:31, 16:11). Only in HIS New Covenant that if we enter into we are made and become the beloved child of GOD. And the power and authority - the dominion, is given to us (2Tim 1:7) to replace Satan as rulers to reign earth. But as beloved children we have to make a stand against the wiles of the devil for we are engaged in a conflict that is both relentlessly and cunningly waged. That's why we need to understand HIS words not just studying and memorizing it but fully understand HIS words - our full armour (Eph 6:10-17). I don't think he is bound but he was judged and to be cast out by us, GOD's beloved children, as we make a stand as the devil's replacement ruling and reigning the world (Eph 6:11,14).

Dan_473 · May 8, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

Hi RobbyEarl,

some good points there! we probably both agree, though, that there is some evil now, there will be a lot more later on.

I think every christian can agree with that... when the "later on" is, or how much more evil there'll be, I don't think we really need to argue over too much...

Peace, my man!

Bowman · May 8, 2016

abcdef said:

Jesus said that when world events become cataclysmic, then we know that Satan has been released, and that the end is near...we have not yet reached that point, thankfully...

Bowman · May 8, 2016

abcdef said:

I believe that would refer to God The Father...as untold thousands saw God The Son, and lived to tell about it...

Bowman · May 8, 2016

mpaper345 said:

It says that he used to roam...but not anymore.

The only ones roaming today are his minions...

tourist · May 8, 2016

Bowman said:

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

This verse seems to contradict your claim.

Bowman · May 8, 2016

peping said:

In Isaiah 28:13 it says the word was ..precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little. May I the paint a picture then. GOD seemed created the angels first since they shouted for joy when the earth was created (Job 38:7). Also it seemed to me that the earth was created for the angels. Third of them inhabited the earth with Lucifer reigning and ruling the earth (Ezek 28:13-18; Lk 4:5-6). When Lucifer and the third of the angels staged a rebellion against GOD (Isaiah 14:13-15) Lucifer and the third of the angels were thrown back to earth (Rev 12:7-17). GOD created man to replace Satan or Lucifer from reigning and ruling the world, hence, when man was created GOD gave him dominion and subdue the earth (Gen 1:26-28). Satan cannot accept it. Since he is opposed to GOD, he seeks to frustrate and overthrow the purposes of GOD's plan and alienate all people from GOD. He tempted Adam and Eve. Then GOD chose the Israelites but he made them fail their Covenant with GOD. And he tempted JESUS but JESUS triumphed over him. Before HIS death HE established the NEW COVENANT, a new agreement to destroy the works of the devil (1Jn 3:7-10; Heb 2:14-15; Jn 12:31, 16:11). Only in HIS New Covenant that if we enter into we are made and become the beloved child of GOD. And the power and authority - the dominion, is given to us (2Tim 1:7) to replace Satan as rulers to reign earth. But as beloved children we have to make a stand against the wiles of the devil for we are engaged in a conflict that is both relentlessly and cunningly waged. That's why we need to understand HIS words not just studying and memorizing it but fully understand HIS words - our full armour (Eph 6:10-17). I don't think he is bound but he was judged and to be cast out by us, GOD's beloved children, as we make a stand as the devil's replacement ruling and reigning the world (Eph 6:11,14).

Satan was judged at The Cross, per scripture.

Satan was also bound in the abyss at The Cross.

The only one powerful enough to bind Satan is God, Himself......of which, the same God which cast Satan to the earth is the same God that cast Satan into the abyss.

Bowman · May 8, 2016

tourist said:

Again....this is where scriptural study saves the day...

1 Peter 5.8

νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν

nēpsate grēgorēsate ho antidikos hymōn diabolos hōs leōn ōryomenos peripatei zētōn tina katapiein

Be sober-minded, watch, the adversary devil of you walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour;

This passage does not refer to ‘The Devil’ himself, as ‘diabolos’ is anarthrous (i.e. it lacks a preceding Greek definite article).

Further, ‘ho antidikos’ (the adversary) is used in only one other NT passage, Mat 5.25, and is in the context of being thrown into prison.

tourist · May 8, 2016

Bowman said:

Again....this is where scriptural study saves the day...

1 Peter 5.8

νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν

nēpsate grēgorēsate ho antidikos hymōn diabolos hōs leōn ōryomenos peripatei zētōn tina katapiein

Be sober-minded, watch, the adversary devil of you walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour;

This passage does not refer to ‘The Devil’ himself, as ‘diabolos’ is anarthrous (i.e. it lacks a preceding Greek definite article).

Further, ‘ho antidikos’ (the adversary) is used in only one other NT passage, Mat 5.25, and is in the context of being thrown into prison.

Again, a compete contradiction that Satan no longer roams the earth.

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